What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
People have no idea how good we had it last year. Next year the offensive line and defense lines are gonna be so much worse.

wrong quote - oops

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Make shift OL

Obviously you have passion but let's get real right? I mean we have Trent Freakin Williams. He's quite possibly the best LT in the game. We invested in McGlinchey a first rounder and people like to clown on the guy but in a contract year with Trent that gives us bookend tackles. We are paying a ton of money for these guys.

We have a vet center who handles his business. And Brunskill who handles Aaron Donald. You could probably find posts of yourself praising Banks as a prospect. Stop making it out to be something it isn't.

So MM, who is above average as a run blocker and below average as a pass blocker, is a bookend tackle? He is miraculously going to be better simply because it's a contract year? JFC. Every time I read the s**t you peddle I lose brain cells. It's like smoking marijuana without any of the benefits.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I can't think of the last time there was a qb injury and a team made a major trade. Teams now just roll with the average back up instead of making a drastic move. I don't see that as a likely option for Jimmy. Just pure hope at this point

I do recall Drew Brees still having value even though he had a shoulder injury.

While the Chargers missed the playoffs, the biggest blow was the injury to Brees' throwing shoulder in week 17 against the Denver Broncos. Brees required surgery after the season and this may have contributed to why the Chargers did not bring Brees back for the 2006 season.

The Chargers did offer a contract, but it was incentive based and had very little guaranteed money. Brees took this as an insult that the Chargers did not believe in him and his health. Brees left to New Orleans for a 6 year, $60 million contract that had $10 million guaranteed for the first season. The confidence the Saints showed in Brees was enough for him and he signed his new contract, leaving San Diego behind.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/428430-the-biggest-mistake-in-chargers-history#:~:text=Brees%20left%20to%20New%20Orleans,contract%2C%20leaving%20San%20Diego%20behind.

Brees was supposed to go to Miami, They backed out due to the shoulder or something like that

Brees' injury was a rotator cuff injury, which was much more serious than Jimmy's capsule injury - so says the articles (no link) that I read. Defer to the Doc's on the board if I'm wrong.

Point is, even when Brees was injured, he had value. Jimmy's injury isn't as serious as Drew's was, and he'll be throwing in about 4 months. Easier to trade him then when he can throw vs now when nothing is certain. Plenty of time to trade Jimmy, and I am still confident in his value (even with a shoulder operation) can generate a trade around draft time. No need to panic and outright cut him right now.

Guys, you missed or ignored my previous post. Iamontb is not talking about Jimmy's value. He is talking about trading for a replacement for an injured QB. You and others on here seem to think that its an option to trade Jimmy to a team who experiences an injury loss to their QB1.

Again I will ask you....why is this a realistic scenario when historically it doesnt happen? QB1s get hurt all the time. If this was a realistic option, shouldnt there be a lot of examples of it happening? I have posted multiple times and no one has been able to come up with 1 example.

As long as a player has value to another team, he can be traded. Jimmy's a playoff level QB. He has value. The problem is that he's just had shoulder surgery and it's uncertain what his current value is (just like the Brees article), because of that surgery, hence ShanaLynch's difficulty in garnering a fair exchange for his services. Once the injury clears up, or once the prognosis is good because there's been some time to determine if there are no setbacks - it will be much easier to trade him, recover the cap space, and some possible draft capital. All ShanaLynch needs is a team that's willing to gamble on Jimmy for a fair price just like the New Orlean Saints signing Drew for a big contract, not knowing whether or not he still could play.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I can't think of the last time there was a qb injury and a team made a major trade. Teams now just roll with the average back up instead of making a drastic move. I don't see that as a likely option for Jimmy. Just pure hope at this point

I do recall Drew Brees still having value even though he had a shoulder injury.

While the Chargers missed the playoffs, the biggest blow was the injury to Brees' throwing shoulder in week 17 against the Denver Broncos. Brees required surgery after the season and this may have contributed to why the Chargers did not bring Brees back for the 2006 season.

The Chargers did offer a contract, but it was incentive based and had very little guaranteed money. Brees took this as an insult that the Chargers did not believe in him and his health. Brees left to New Orleans for a 6 year, $60 million contract that had $10 million guaranteed for the first season. The confidence the Saints showed in Brees was enough for him and he signed his new contract, leaving San Diego behind.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/428430-the-biggest-mistake-in-chargers-history#:~:text=Brees%20left%20to%20New%20Orleans,contract%2C%20leaving%20San%20Diego%20behind.

Brees was supposed to go to Miami, They backed out due to the shoulder or something like that

Brees' injury was a rotator cuff injury, which was much more serious than Jimmy's capsule injury - so says the articles (no link) that I read. Defer to the Doc's on the board if I'm wrong.

Point is, even when Brees was injured, he had value. Jimmy's injury isn't as serious as Drew's was, and he'll be throwing in about 4 months. Easier to trade him then when he can throw vs now when nothing is certain. Plenty of time to trade Jimmy, and I am still confident in his value (even with a shoulder operation) can generate a trade around draft time. No need to panic and outright cut him right now.

Guys, you missed or ignored my previous post. Iamontb is not talking about Jimmy's value. He is talking about trading for a replacement for an injured QB. You and others on here seem to think that its an option to trade Jimmy to a team who experiences an injury loss to their QB1.

Again I will ask you....why is this a realistic scenario when historically it doesnt happen? QB1s get hurt all the time. If this was a realistic option, shouldnt there be a lot of examples of it happening? I have posted multiple times and no one has been able to come up with 1 example.

As long as a player has value to another team, he can be traded. Jimmy's a playoff level QB. He has value. The problem is that he's just had shoulder surgery and it's uncertain what his current value is (just like the Brees article), because of that surgery, hence ShanaLynch's difficulty in garnering a fair exchange for his services. Once the injury clears up, or once the prognosis is good because there's been some time to determine if there are no setbacks - it will be much easier to trade him, recover the cap space, and some possible draft capital. All ShanaLynch needs is a team that's willing to gamble on Jimmy for a fair price just like the New Orlean Saints signing Drew for a big contract, not knowing whether or not he still could play.

Not a single word of your reply is relevant to the conversation of teams with an injured QB1 trading for another QB during the season. Come on bro. Try to stay on topic here. This isnt about Jimmy's injury.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I can see it now when the niners are 4 and 8 next year:

It's all Jimmy's fault. If he had been traded the niners could have had more cap space for Lynch to get trey help in free agency.

No one cares about Jimmy anymore...we just want him gone and want them to improve the team. What's the problem with that.

Yeah I'm sure you will be just fine watching Aaron Banks get smoked at LG...god forbid they spend a couple bucks at IOL to help protect their young QB. Keeping Jimmy was totally the better call to build this team.

You've defended shanalynch. Now you're angry? We had Tom Compton and brunkill out of position last year, as well as an old center who was getting smoked as well. Ot will be worse next year. This isn't a Jimmy thing, this is a shanalynch thing.

I'm blaming the whole situation and yes they are the ones in charge of it...I said no one cares about Jimmy and he should just be gone. I'm allowed to say Kyle is a damn good coach, because he is. I have said I question Kyle the FO mind. Feel free to go look it up. FWIW Compton wasn't the starter heading into the season. McG got hurt and was actually playing well up until that point. The tore quad is a issue now. Most believed Banks was gonna be the starter at RG not Brunskill, he came into camp fat and was one of the worst OL on the field. Brunskill wins because of default.

They had a chance to fix it and they're prefer to hold onto Jimmy his fat cap hit instead of invest it into the team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I can see it now when the niners are 4 and 8 next year:

It's all Jimmy's fault. If he had been traded the niners could have had more cap space for Lynch to get trey help in free agency.

I fully expect Jimmy to starting next year.

I don't.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I can see it now when the niners are 4 and 8 next year:

It's all Jimmy's fault. If he had been traded the niners could have had more cap space for Lynch to get trey help in free agency.

I fully expect Jimmy to starting next year.

I don't.

I don't expect good things so that way when the worst case happens I'm not crushed.

Sure why not. Can't get rid of Jimmy G to save their damn souls but Dontae Johnson is back on the team because 49ers. Death, taxes and 27 on the Niners.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I can see it now when the niners are 4 and 8 next year:

It's all Jimmy's fault. If he had been traded the niners could have had more cap space for Lynch to get trey help in free agency.

I fully expect Jimmy to starting next year.

I don't.

LOL

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Make shift OL

Obviously you have passion but let's get real right? I mean we have Trent Freakin Williams. He's quite possibly the best LT in the game. We invested in McGlinchey a first rounder and people like to clown on the guy but in a contract year with Trent that gives us bookend tackles. We are paying a ton of money for these guys.

We have a vet center who handles his business. And Brunskill who handles Aaron Donald. You could probably find posts of yourself praising Banks as a prospect. Stop making it out to be something it isn't.

How about you provide context and stop being a homer for 5 mins. There's not point in having a legit convo with you about any of this because you refuse to be objective.

LT-Trent is a stud no one is debating that
LG-who the F is that?
C-Mack is old as dirt and almost retired, I'm not even worried about him BUT that s**t needs to be taken care of sooner than later
RG- Who the F is that? Brunskill is a below avg guard. Great he handles Donald twice a year and sucks vs everyone else. Watch the damn games man. He's not good.
RT-McG I've defended him for years. I don't think he's as bad as people say BUT a torn quad is not good dude. It's a horrible injury and some players don't recover correctly from it.

No you will not find a single post of me praising Banks. I hated the pick. He was over drafted and not remotely close to a scheme fit. He was not great during the senior bowl and awful in TC. He has slow feet and for being big isn't a mauler. He's not close to scheme fit. He's joshua garnett 2.0 and was a waste of top 50 pick with vastly better players available.

Sorry I don't want our highly invested QB that yes is a rookie and will not be able to just diagnose NFL coverages like a 10 yr vet standing behind a OL where there are question marks.

s**t is not always perfect man...stop defending everything and making up stuff to think it is, we all have eyes.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I can't think of the last time there was a qb injury and a team made a major trade. Teams now just roll with the average back up instead of making a drastic move. I don't see that as a likely option for Jimmy. Just pure hope at this point

I do recall Drew Brees still having value even though he had a shoulder injury.

While the Chargers missed the playoffs, the biggest blow was the injury to Brees' throwing shoulder in week 17 against the Denver Broncos. Brees required surgery after the season and this may have contributed to why the Chargers did not bring Brees back for the 2006 season.

The Chargers did offer a contract, but it was incentive based and had very little guaranteed money. Brees took this as an insult that the Chargers did not believe in him and his health. Brees left to New Orleans for a 6 year, $60 million contract that had $10 million guaranteed for the first season. The confidence the Saints showed in Brees was enough for him and he signed his new contract, leaving San Diego behind.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/428430-the-biggest-mistake-in-chargers-history#:~:text=Brees%20left%20to%20New%20Orleans,contract%2C%20leaving%20San%20Diego%20behind.

Brees was supposed to go to Miami, They backed out due to the shoulder or something like that

Brees' injury was a rotator cuff injury, which was much more serious than Jimmy's capsule injury - so says the articles (no link) that I read. Defer to the Doc's on the board if I'm wrong.

Point is, even when Brees was injured, he had value. Jimmy's injury isn't as serious as Drew's was, and he'll be throwing in about 4 months. Easier to trade him then when he can throw vs now when nothing is certain. Plenty of time to trade Jimmy, and I am still confident in his value (even with a shoulder operation) can generate a trade around draft time. No need to panic and outright cut him right now.

Guys, you missed or ignored my previous post. Iamontb is not talking about Jimmy's value. He is talking about trading for a replacement for an injured QB. You and others on here seem to think that its an option to trade Jimmy to a team who experiences an injury loss to their QB1.

Again I will ask you....why is this a realistic scenario when historically it doesnt happen? QB1s get hurt all the time. If this was a realistic option, shouldnt there be a lot of examples of it happening? I have posted multiple times and no one has been able to come up with 1 example.

As long as a player has value to another team, he can be traded. Jimmy's a playoff level QB. He has value. The problem is that he's just had shoulder surgery and it's uncertain what his current value is (just like the Brees article), because of that surgery, hence ShanaLynch's difficulty in garnering a fair exchange for his services. Once the injury clears up, or once the prognosis is good because there's been some time to determine if there are no setbacks - it will be much easier to trade him, recover the cap space, and some possible draft capital. All ShanaLynch needs is a team that's willing to gamble on Jimmy for a fair price just like the New Orlean Saints signing Drew for a big contract, not knowing whether or not he still could play.

You must have missed the title of the thread.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
So MM, who is above average as a run blocker and below average as a pass blocker, is a bookend tackle? He is miraculously going to be better simply because it's a contract year? JFC. Every time I read the s**t you peddle I lose brain cells. It's like smoking marijuana without any of the benefits.

It's quit annoying acting like we don't watch the games.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude fact. I'm not saying Lakin was a legit pro-bowler but he's a whole hell of a lot better than that s**t show we're seeing. We got a rookie QB who isn't gonna just come in and slice up coverages. Instead of spending a little bit of money on some proven vets to protect him you're gonna toss him behind a makeshift OL. It's gonna be a problem.

I still think the DL will be good, just not as good without DJ. You can rotate dudes and have a good DL roster. Can't do that s**t at OL. You NEED legit starters.

Make shift OL

Obviously you have passion but let's get real right? I mean we have Trent Freakin Williams. He's quite possibly the best LT in the game. We invested in McGlinchey a first rounder and people like to clown on the guy but in a contract year with Trent that gives us bookend tackles. We are paying a ton of money for these guys.

We have a vet center who handles his business. And Brunskill who handles Aaron Donald. You could probably find posts of yourself praising Banks as a prospect. Stop making it out to be something it isn't.

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Just saying majority of clubs in the league if not most would swap their tackles next season for ours. Would love to see a neutral non-49er based ranking of our o-line. No bias just a consensus around the league of where we rank. Bet it would be darn high.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Thats pretty irrelevant. I get it you don't like Jimmy, most of you don't I get that. Still irrelevant though.

How is that not relevant? Not every player gets a choice on who they play for and how much money they get...Jimmy is not one of those players.

He will be lucky to be a starter this yr at this point. Same s**t with Mayfield. Who's lining up to take them? no one that's who.

Says who you, again another anti Jimmy advocate saying Jimmy is not one of those players…..yet he is with his no-trade clause in his contract. His NTC expired March 16th though, did Jimmy say no Washington now?? Stop with your nonsense already wah wah it was Jimmy's fault. Chill bro.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Just saying majority of clubs in the league if not most would swap their tackles next season for ours. Would love to see a neutral non-49er based ranking of our o-line. No bias just a consensus around the league of where we rank. Bet it would be darn high.

SF was ranked 17th in the league in pass-pro. Now they lost Laken and have a RT coming off a torn quad. Why is that better? Go read some of Brandon Thorn's OL evaluations (he is really really good at that). He didn't understand the Banks pick and doesn't think Brunskill is anything more than a depth player. IMO he's a better RT then a guard.