What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I wonder if the Cousins deal is the snag that is holding this up.

It would be ironic if Cousins gave the Niners pause to bring Jimmy in, and also held up them shipping him out.

we were told it was the watson thing holding things up. now that that is settled . oh wait. nothing is happening. big shock and awe. winston is coming off major knee surgery and looks like he will get a job before jimmy.. that tells me that shoulderexcuse is just an excuse floated by someone. fans. media. lynch kyle whoever

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
No one is going to want Jimmy's bloated salary. I think he eventually get's released.

There is no bloated salary though. The only gtd cash he has is $7.5M right now. No one wants Jimmy because he's hurt (again) and not an amazing QB.

What about the $25M?

Salary in 22 means nothing to anyone but us.

That's not true, it can be negotiated down, the team trading for him can either offer more if we eat some of that salary or they can offer less at take the whole thing ala Washington with Wentz. But if the Niners don't take some of the salary and/or Jimmy doesn't restructure, he is getting his 2022 salary regardless of location.

Nope. No one is trading for him as a one year rental. Anyone trading for him will extend and this 27 Mil means jack s**t.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
5 followers. Joined March 2022. What a joke.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
We don't know that. Have they said that? They may not have been offered a single 3 or a 4 or nothing. And Jimmy has a top agent. I'm sure he is out trying as well.

The bottom line is he is injury prone, highly compensated for his skill set, coming off another surgery. Yeah, if I a GM who wants to keep my job I'm all over this signing in a heartbeat.

The market has spoken. Not Lynch. I'm sure he is working the best he can.

i go by what lynch does and not what he says.. he said we would have multiple suitors for jimmy.. we do not. lynch just needs to shut up

Originally posted by cciowa:
of course i am very grateful that we did a a pleasant surprise and got to the nfc title game but it just bothers me. that this team just is hesitant to make some major get over the hump type of moves to actually get us over the hump.. after the jt and chip thing.. sure i just wanted our team to be "competitive",, but now i think we deserve a little bit more.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by mayo49:
No one is going to want Jimmy's bloated salary. I think he eventually get's released.

I am leaning that way too. Would love to get some value but not counting on it.

Same, he not even worth half of what he making and people know that , me personally don't view him as a starter , a back up , vet min

depends on who you talk to.. to me. and to alot of people.. we are lucky to get a third rounder.. to lynch and kyle. they think someone will give them 2 seconds. their arrogance and or ineptness on this front is something to behold

More like the ignorance of people in Iowa

There you go dropping one liners hoping to get a rise outta people. Seriously was that comment really needed.

of course i am very grateful that we did a a pleasant surprise and got to the nfc title game but it just bothers me. that this team just is hesitant to make some major get over the hump type of moves to actually get us over the hump.. after the jt and chip thing.. sure i just wanted our team to be "competitive",, but now i think we deserve a little bit more.

We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

Exactly.

Lol exactly, okay how do you know that? Right now Lance is a total question mark than when the Rams traded for a proven veteran. Let's see how much Jimmy was holding this team back if Lance can even get to the places Jimmy has been, the Super Bowl or shoot even the NFCC. You guys act like it's a given that the 9ers get there with Lance.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by mayo49:
No one is going to want Jimmy's bloated salary. I think he eventually get's released.

I am leaning that way too. Would love to get some value but not counting on it.

Same, he not even worth half of what he making and people know that , me personally don't view him as a starter , a back up , vet min

depends on who you talk to.. to me. and to alot of people.. we are lucky to get a third rounder.. to lynch and kyle. they think someone will give them 2 seconds. their arrogance and or ineptness on this front is something to behold

More like the ignorance of people in Iowa

There you go dropping one liners hoping to get a rise outta people. Seriously was that comment really needed.

of course i am very grateful that we did a a pleasant surprise and got to the nfc title game but it just bothers me. that this team just is hesitant to make some major get over the hump type of moves to actually get us over the hump.. after the jt and chip thing.. sure i just wanted our team to be "competitive",, but now i think we deserve a little bit more.

I agree. Most of all I can't stand it when Lynch sits back and tells us "we like our guys" or "we looked into it". How the 9ers didn't come in and steal Von Miller from LA is a bit frustrating. Miller could've definitely put the 9ers over the top in that NFC Championship game.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

but it means little if you keep this current wretched o line in tact and roll with it for this year.. we were also told they would surround trey with great talent.. the team still needs a running back. a second tight end cuz kittle is unreliable. a fast wide out. the team has been wonderful in fixing special teams but we still have jimmy. we have a wretched offensive line. gotta take care of those things. a get over the hump qb means little if you got him behind a nickle and dime o line

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by mayo49:
No one is going to want Jimmy's bloated salary. I think he eventually get's released.

I am leaning that way too. Would love to get some value but not counting on it.

Same, he not even worth half of what he making and people know that , me personally don't view him as a starter , a back up , vet min

depends on who you talk to.. to me. and to alot of people.. we are lucky to get a third rounder.. to lynch and kyle. they think someone will give them 2 seconds. their arrogance and or ineptness on this front is something to behold

More like the ignorance of people in Iowa

There you go dropping one liners hoping to get a rise outta people. Seriously was that comment really needed.

of course i am very grateful that we did a a pleasant surprise and got to the nfc title game but it just bothers me. that this team just is hesitant to make some major get over the hump type of moves to actually get us over the hump.. after the jt and chip thing.. sure i just wanted our team to be "competitive",, but now i think we deserve a little bit more.

We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

Exactly.

Lol exactly, okay how do you know that? Right now Lance is a total question mark than when the Rams traded for a proven veteran. Let's see how much Jimmy was holding this team back if Lance can even get to the places Jimmy has been, the Super Bowl or shoot even the NFCC. You guys act like it's a given that the 9ers get there with Lance.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I wonder if the Cousins deal is the snag that is holding this up.

It would be ironic if Cousins gave the Niners pause to bring Jimmy in, and also held up them shipping him out.

we were told it was the watson thing holding things up. now that that is settled . oh wait. nothing is happening. big shock and awe. winston is coming off major knee surgery and looks like he will get a job before jimmy.. that tells me that shoulderexcuse is just an excuse floated by someone. fans. media. lynch kyle whoever

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Why would anyone want him at 26 million. As an outsider would you ?.....
Everyone points to the record but they tend to forget that this team is run first and at times is dominant in the running game. The playoff run in 2019 tells the tale. Can you had the ball off? And when he is called upon he s**ts the bed. He is average at best and the record is more a product of the team than JG and its not even an agrument. He is over rated by many. Just put him on a team that expect him to win games for them he will show his true colors. Hell, Pitt decide to go with Mitch. What does that say to you.

That is why we might get a Snickers bar for him in a trade. If we can get more its gravy.

The hard part about evaluating Jimmy is we don't know what percentage of his success is due to the system he plays in and the plays drawn up for him, and how much transferable to any system regardless of play and play caller.

Here is what we do know:

1. By now defenses know that he will be throwing the ball primarily over the middle in short to intermediate passes, and have surely game planned for it, and seem to be still unable to stop it for the most part.

2. Shanahan often calls 2 plays in the huddle, and allows the QB to check to one or the other. If you go back and watch his games, look for plays where he say "can" before the play, that means he switched to the 2nd play. If the play was successful after, that usually means he switched to the right play, what's even more impressive, is when he switches to a successful run play, which means, he is willing to give up his own personal glory and stats for team success. FWIW, there were rumors of Wentz ignoring what the coaches told him to do, and trying to do it his own way.

3. The players all go to bat for him publicly, and there has not even been 1 off the record report of anyone who is frustrated with him or his play. There also has been no off the record reports of teammates that wanted Trey to get more game reps.

4. Finally, Shanahan, told us by his actions that he believed a big percentage of the team success was due to Jimmy's play and not necessarily just his play calling. And Lynch is also telling us what he believes by playing hardball with other teams and not settling for reportedly just 1 2nd round pick.

It is action not words that matter. Try and rationalize the situation all you want, the 49ers actions have said loud and clear JG is not a QB they believe is good enoigh.

So far, GMs looking for a QB are not pirsuing a trade for JG because beyond a Snickers bar, they dont want to give up draft capital and salary cap tesourves for a QB that cant even play average without a major support cast.

Like I said, I agree that their actions say they believe Jimmy is not a top 5-10 QB, or at the very least that they can't win with him, if they have to spend more that 27 Mil on his salary.

However, you can't have it both ways. If they thought he was a bad as most fans do, they would have taken the first offer they got for him.

And like I said, the fact that the Colts and the Saints haven't signed Mariota or Winston means there actions are telling us that they believe his is a better option as well, as long as it is at the right price.

If the Saints and Colts were enamored with JG and as good as people think he would have been traded by now.

We really dont know what the 49ers stance is I am not aware of any deal that was turned down by the 48ers so the benchmark is pure speculation. To a degree the market will dictate the value not the 49ers Why wouldnt the 49ers try and maximize the value but if they want to trade him they will need to bend if they want to move on. Snickers really satisfies.

You can't have it both ways, if they liked Winston and Mariota more than Jimmy, they would have signed them by now as well. Especially the Colts because they weren't waiting on Watson.

I guess I would have to agree. JG is in the same Tier as Mariota and Winston.

If they were the same tier, they would have signed them by now as well for no draft compensation, and less than $27 M

Originally posted by cciowa:
we were told it was the watson thing holding things up. now that that is settled . oh wait. nothing is happening. big shock and awe. winston is coming off major knee surgery and looks like he will get a job before jimmy.. that tells me that shoulderexcuse is just an excuse floated by someone. fans. media. lynch kyle whoever

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Why would anyone want him at 26 million. As an outsider would you ?.....
Everyone points to the record but they tend to forget that this team is run first and at times is dominant in the running game. The playoff run in 2019 tells the tale. Can you had the ball off? And when he is called upon he s**ts the bed. He is average at best and the record is more a product of the team than JG and its not even an agrument. He is over rated by many. Just put him on a team that expect him to win games for them he will show his true colors. Hell, Pitt decide to go with Mitch. What does that say to you.

That is why we might get a Snickers bar for him in a trade. If we can get more its gravy.

The hard part about evaluating Jimmy is we don't know what percentage of his success is due to the system he plays in and the plays drawn up for him, and how much transferable to any system regardless of play and play caller.

Here is what we do know:

1. By now defenses know that he will be throwing the ball primarily over the middle in short to intermediate passes, and have surely game planned for it, and seem to be still unable to stop it for the most part.

2. Shanahan often calls 2 plays in the huddle, and allows the QB to check to one or the other. If you go back and watch his games, look for plays where he say "can" before the play, that means he switched to the 2nd play. If the play was successful after, that usually means he switched to the right play, what's even more impressive, is when he switches to a successful run play, which means, he is willing to give up his own personal glory and stats for team success. FWIW, there were rumors of Wentz ignoring what the coaches told him to do, and trying to do it his own way.

3. The players all go to bat for him publicly, and there has not even been 1 off the record report of anyone who is frustrated with him or his play. There also has been no off the record reports of teammates that wanted Trey to get more game reps.

4. Finally, Shanahan, told us by his actions that he believed a big percentage of the team success was due to Jimmy's play and not necessarily just his play calling. And Lynch is also telling us what he believes by playing hardball with other teams and not settling for reportedly just 1 2nd round pick.

It is action not words that matter. Try and rationalize the situation all you want, the 49ers actions have said loud and clear JG is not a QB they believe is good enoigh.

So far, GMs looking for a QB are not pirsuing a trade for JG because beyond a Snickers bar, they dont want to give up draft capital and salary cap tesourves for a QB that cant even play average without a major support cast.

Like I said, I agree that their actions say they believe Jimmy is not a top 5-10 QB, or at the very least that they can't win with him, if they have to spend more that 27 Mil on his salary.

However, you can't have it both ways. If they thought he was a bad as most fans do, they would have taken the first offer they got for him.

And like I said, the fact that the Colts and the Saints haven't signed Mariota or Winston means there actions are telling us that they believe his is a better option as well, as long as it is at the right price.

If the Saints and Colts were enamored with JG and as good as people think he would have been traded by now.

We really dont know what the 49ers stance is I am not aware of any deal that was turned down by the 48ers so the benchmark is pure speculation. To a degree the market will dictate the value not the 49ers Why wouldnt the 49ers try and maximize the value but if they want to trade him they will need to bend if they want to move on. Snickers really satisfies.

You can't have it both ways, if they liked Winston and Mariota more than Jimmy, they would have signed them by now as well. Especially the Colts because they weren't waiting on Watson.

I guess I would have to agree. JG is in the same Tier as Mariota and Winston.

If they were the same tier, they would have signed them by now as well for no draft compensation, and less than $27 M

If JG was any more and that good, this thread would have been closed by now.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Nobody gonna pick up that bloated contract