2021 OTA Offseason Workouts

Originally posted by cciowa:
my fear is these guys are setting around loafing and then we will roll out the shock and awe when they get to camp and we see pulled muscles and other such crap.. yes i know its football but if the answer is setting around resting. then the question is. what is the dumbest thing our players could be doing this off season

Training to be a saturation diver. I don't know why but that was the thing that popped in my head for the dumbest thing they could be doing. There's probably dumber things. But I don't know saturation diving is like super dangerous I would rather our players do black tar heroin than do saturation diving.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO if you think they caught two players hitting heads during a play and that's what the fine was for. You don't fine them $400K for touching helmets (so many jokes off this line).

I'm from Seattle and have family and friends that attend the live practices still. They are very intense and physical. It wasn't until they got busted for the 2nd time and lost $400K and a draft pick that they started toning out down. That also coincided with a big drop in their health too. Makes sense.

Like i said, in between the lines (and outside), every team is different; lots of similarities too of course.

Of course they weren't fined until September when TC was already over.

The Seahawks were punished for violating offseason rules once before, in 2014.

So when they were caught again, the league dropped the hammer on them. The NFL just announced the Seahawks violated offseason rules prohibiting excessive contact in offseason workings, citing a June 6 OTA practice.

Lol if you think they're running around wearing pads and tackling all the damn time since they changed the rules….it's impossible to do that before TC.

you get fined for bump and running during phase one of OTAs for god sake. The NFL can watch your practices (they film it) and they have NFLPA guys on every team! You got freaking Sherm as one of the most vocal advocates for player safety. You think he's gonna just sit there and watch padded practices happen in OTAs? GTFO.

Who cares about 2014? That was 7 yrs ago…excessive contact can be like they said running into each other diving for balls or just constantly touching throughout drills. You can't even do that as we just found out.

you said they were running full on contact with pads during OTAs which they most certainly were not.

Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Singletary/Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO if you think they caught two players hitting heads during a play and that's what the fine was for. You don't fine them $400K for touching helmets (so many jokes off this line).

I'm from Seattle and have family and friends that attend the live practices still. They are very intense and physical. It wasn't until they got busted for the 2nd time and lost $400K and a draft pick that they started toning out down. That also coincided with a big drop in their health too. Makes sense.

Like i said, in between the lines (and outside), every team is different; lots of similarities too of course.

Of course they weren't fined until September when TC was already over.

The Seahawks were punished for violating offseason rules once before, in 2014.

So when they were caught again, the league dropped the hammer on them. The NFL just announced the Seahawks violated offseason rules prohibiting excessive contact in offseason workings, citing a June 6 OTA practice.

Lol if you think they're running around wearing pads and tackling all the damn time since they changed the rules….it's impossible to do that before TC.

you get fined for bump and running during phase one of OTAs for god sake. The NFL can watch your practices (they film it) and they have NFLPA guys on every team! You got freaking Sherm as one of the most vocal advocates for player safety. You think he's gonna just sit there and watch padded practices happen in OTAs? GTFO.

Who cares about 2014? That was 7 yrs ago…excessive contact can be like they said running into each other diving for balls or just constantly touching throughout drills. You can't even do that as we just found out.

you said they were running full on contact with pads during OTAs which they most certainly were not.

Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

It's moving past a theory. Old players are noticing an uptick in injuries even when players are hitting less. If I don't go to the gym for 2 months and then go back an hit a squat rack my ass can't even sit on a toilet for the next 3 days.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO if you think they caught two players hitting heads during a play and that's what the fine was for. You don't fine them $400K for touching helmets (so many jokes off this line).

I'm from Seattle and have family and friends that attend the live practices still. They are very intense and physical. It wasn't until they got busted for the 2nd time and lost $400K and a draft pick that they started toning out down. That also coincided with a big drop in their health too. Makes sense.

Like i said, in between the lines (and outside), every team is different; lots of similarities too of course.

Of course they weren't fined until September when TC was already over.

The Seahawks were punished for violating offseason rules once before, in 2014.

So when they were caught again, the league dropped the hammer on them. The NFL just announced the Seahawks violated offseason rules prohibiting excessive contact in offseason workings, citing a June 6 OTA practice.

Lol if you think they're running around wearing pads and tackling all the damn time since they changed the rules….it's impossible to do that before TC.

you get fined for bump and running during phase one of OTAs for god sake. The NFL can watch your practices (they film it) and they have NFLPA guys on every team! You got freaking Sherm as one of the most vocal advocates for player safety. You think he's gonna just sit there and watch padded practices happen in OTAs? GTFO.

Who cares about 2014? That was 7 yrs ago…excessive contact can be like they said running into each other diving for balls or just constantly touching throughout drills. You can't even do that as we just found out.

you said they were running full on contact with pads during OTAs which they most certainly were not.

Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

It's moving past a theory. Old players are noticing an uptick in injuries even when players are hitting less. If I don't go to the gym for 2 months and then go back an hit a squat rack my ass can't even sit on a toilet for the next 3 days.

Exactly. Odd theory that regularly mirroring things you'll do on Sunday, Monday-Saturday would better prepare your body and reduce injuries.

Haha...free weights vs. fixed.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I wish I could tell my boss imma show up for work but Im not gonna work hard.

Lol or have your union set it up that you don't have too…end of the day these were "voluntary" OTAs.

lol it's crazy and I was listening to Denver radio and former pro Tyler Polumbus has a radio show and he was talking about how disconnected football players are financially and responsibility wise. He got offered the radio gig he laughed and thought they were hazing him cause he didn't see 2 commas in his offer sheet. And then when he was required to be somewhere every day all year unless he requested time off was blowing his mind. Was fun to listen too and he wasn't being all elitist he said the NFL was his first job he ever had and never realized that normal average Joe's got payed that much less than a pro athletes.

off topic but honestly what the f**k is there to talk about.

Lol yeah it is crazy if this is literally someone's first job...and yeah there ain't s**t to talk about for about 40 days

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Singletary/Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

Do you exaggerate much? Big deal you highlighted excessive contact...then assumed that meant full padded practices and scrimmages? Literally SF just got in trouble and that same term was thrown out....we all know what it was for, you calling that excessive contact? A Seattle WR and DB banged heads and they got fined.

There is no theory: they. can. not. simulate live game action in OTAs. period. They can't even touch a player or like we saw will get fined. You have NFLPA representatives at every practice (it's a player). The NFL has full access to NFL film which includes practices.

All NFL teams under the pervious CBA had that same approach. LAR haven't been fined for s**t and have been super healthy all the same.

i get it's just a theory…but overall these OTAs are very limited and pretty much the same across the NFL.

Originally posted by cciowa:
my fear is these guys are setting around loafing and then we will roll out the shock and awe when they get to camp and we see pulled muscles and other such crap.. yes i know its football but if the answer is setting around resting. then the question is. what is the dumbest thing our players could be doing this off season

I think it's guys working too hard on a team with too little open spots available. I'm not surprised that a couple of bubble players got hurt. Face it, guys like Kittle and Deebo can afford to work half speed because their jobs are safe. But when you're battling with two or three other guys for that one spot, you're going to play like your livelihood depended on it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Singletary/Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's moving past a theory. Old players are noticing an uptick in injuries even when players are hitting less. If I don't go to the gym for 2 months and then go back an hit a squat rack my ass can't even sit on a toilet for the next 3 days.

Yeah, what I've been saying is these players don't train enough before they come to OTAs. Then the coaches only have a short amount of time to get everything going…so it's not really that crazy to see why injuries league wide are happening.

There has to be a balance.
Workout and train with qualified trainers.
Warm up and cool down properly.
Have enough resting and let muscles recover.
A balanced diet.
Rest days and enjoy time with the family.

These guys are pros but some of them think themselves as some sort of superhero who can train like there's no tomorrow.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's moving past a theory. Old players are noticing an uptick in injuries even when players are hitting less. If I don't go to the gym for 2 months and then go back an hit a squat rack my ass can't even sit on a toilet for the next 3 days.

Yeah, what I've been saying is these players don't train enough before they come to OTAs. Then the coaches only have a short amount of time to get everything going…so it's not really that crazy to see why injuries league wide are happening.

It can also be the opposite. Some guys train too much perhaps not giving themselves enough rest. It leads to muscle pulls and ligaments damage.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
It can also be the opposite. Some guys train too much perhaps not giving themselves enough rest. It leads to muscle pulls and ligaments damage.

Yeah that could be the case as well…just seems like players overall don't want to chance injury off campus and lose out on their money in most cases.

I'm sure it's just a collect of a bunch of stuff.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Singletary/Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

Do you exaggerate much? Big deal you highlighted excessive contact...then assumed that meant full padded practices and scrimmages? Literally SF just got in trouble and that same term was thrown out....we all know what it was for, you calling that excessive contact? A Seattle WR and DB banged heads and they got fined.

There is no theory: they. can. not. simulate live game action in OTAs. period. They can't even touch a player or like we saw will get fined. You have NFLPA representatives at every practice (it's a player). The NFL has full access to NFL film which includes practices.

All NFL teams under the pervious CBA had that same approach. LAR haven't been fined for s**t and have been super healthy all the same.

i get it's just a theory…but overall these OTAs are very limited and pretty much the same across the NFL.

King of minimization strikes again.

Trying to minimize what Seattle did for years over 3 escalating fines like no other team before to that of just touching helmets...comparing that to what Deommodore did is just a tad...bit...minimizing. We all know who Seattle is.

That's cool if your THEORY is everything is just "bad luck" for 8 straight years. You had that same mentality for pass protection too.

Anyway, i showed you supporting evidence to that ONE theory. If you don't buy it, cool. Moving on..

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you read? I even bolded/highlighted it for you.

The whole point of the debate was around theorizing HOW a team practices might be correlated to health. When the Seahawks cheated by using "excessive contact" for YEARS, they were tops in health. When they got busted and had to go clean, after the third time getting busted mind you, their health fell off a cliff.

The theory: simulating live game action in practice prepares the body for real game action.

Singletary/Harbaugh, under the previous CBA, had a similar approach, also corresponding to the 9ers healthiest stretch in the last 14 years. Coincidence???

...just a theory.

Originally posted by NCommand:
King of minimization strikes again.

Trying to minimize what Seattle did for years over 3 escalating fines like no other team before to that of just touching helmets...comparing that to what Deommodore did is just a tad...bit...minimizing. We all know who Seattle is.

That's cool if your THEORY is everything is just "bad luck" for 8 straight years. You had that same mentality for pass protection too.

Anyway, i showed you supporting evidence to that ONE theory. If you don't buy it, cool. Moving on..

Minimizing what? The fact that they touch each other a little bit and got caught lol….it's OTAs they don't even have pads available at that point. Literally the moment they put a pad on they would be fined…you can't hide that s**t when you have union members ON the team and the NFL watches practices.

This is more like you exaggerating what really happened to backup a "theory" and if you want to go down that road you have absolutely no idea what a SF OTA practice in full looks like either. FWIW You don't really have to because they're damn near all identical because of how watered down they've had to become.

Also I didn't say it was all just bad luck, I said it's a multi layered issue…you talk about the past 8 yrs and yet we've had how many different coaching staffs?

you showed me one team getting caught doing exactly what we just did…OTAs are the most watched over thing in off season, regarding what they can and can't do.