Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Trey Lance was quick and agile enough when he had to scramble. That´s all that matters. I´m not a fan of Kyle using QB draws or QB power. Let Trey play in the pocket just like Jimmy and let the millions rbs we have go to their death running the ball.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If by struggling you mean 1st team All Pro and League MVP. When exactly did he struggle before that season? The one he spent on the bench? Lol.

You guys are hilarious! Patrick Mahomes himself essentially talking about relying on his bad habits he learned early in his career. Which is exactly what posters are wishing Trey doesn't do.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Absolutely this, it was exacerbated by the fact his acceleration isn't elite, he needs time to get up to speed, so the quicker he starts to go the better.

Really what are his splits?

Dude was laser timed at 4.51 during the draft process. I wouldn't call him super twitchy though, which is fine I don't want a RB/WR at QB. I want a threat to run & able to extend plays, but passer first.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If by struggling you mean 1st team All Pro and League MVP. When exactly did he struggle before that season? The one he spent on the bench? Lol.

You guys are hilarious! Patrick Mahomes himself essentially talking about relying on his bad habits he learned early in his career. Which is exactly what posters are wishing Trey doesn't do.

Mahomes still doesn't have great mechanics, he still plays hero ball, he still bypasses easy completions to make the harder throw downfield. That's just in his DNA. He's never gonna be Payton Manning or Drew Brees, but that's just not who he is and guess what looks good to me.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

I think in goal line situations he'll be an effective runner. But it seems clear that he'll use his running to create extended passing plays, not so much ripping off 10-15 yard runs on scrambles.

Yes, he is more of a mobile QB than a running QB, and that's fine by me. Keep those eyes downfield young fella.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

I think once he's comfortable he will be just fine running the ball. Hopefully minimal schemed runs. My 4 year old could've called out the runs last year: it was too easy for the defenses.

I was just thinking of how stiff and slow he looked running. He doesn't move like someone who is a blazing runner. But that is %100 okay by me, I'd rather see him scramble to buy time than be running QB power against NFL defenses.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The sooner he can move off this mentality, the better. That's when the growth will happen.

Trey on his own game: 1:45 mark

Trey Lance talks #HOUvsSF prep. pic.twitter.com/vFN72gjGRp

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 31, 2021

"I appreciate when I can play how I play and be off schedule."

LOL

What's funny about that? That's probably one of the hardest parts of transitioning to the NFL esp. when you've found success just being a better athlete on the field than most. It's moving from that first instinct urge to trust in the play call by being patient. Steve Young said it took him years and that was with Bill Walsh and 3-a-days to cement it in him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

What's a slow Kaepernick???

There is no way Josh Allen is more explosive running the ball. Allen isn't Tom Brady but he's not explosive. He's got decent speed but most of his runs are due to his size than his speed. Very similar to Trey in that regard and as Trey gets used to NFL speed he'll be much more confident running the ball.

Not sure how you can watch both guys and think Lance isn't more explosive than Josh.

There are highlight videos of Josh Allen running plays. Go watch those and tell me you think Trey looks as impressive running. Josh is a more natural runner than Trey has shown, including when he was running against grocery baggers at NDSU. He is built slighter than Josh, who runs like Mike Alstott light. Trey should rely on his legs only as a last resort, and instead scramble to let receivers work to get open. I personally don't want such an expensive team asset getting hurt running.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If by struggling you mean 1st team All Pro and League MVP. When exactly did he struggle before that season? The one he spent on the bench? Lol.

You guys are hilarious! Patrick Mahomes himself essentially talking about relying on his bad habits he learned early in his career. Which is exactly what posters are wishing Trey doesn't do.

Well I'm not trying to be. Why don't you go ahead and tell me what part of my statement is funny. The first year he played, he went off script a lot. He also won league MVP and first team all pro. Haha?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

What's a slow Kaepernick???

There is no way Josh Allen is more explosive running the ball. Allen isn't Tom Brady but he's not explosive. He's got decent speed but most of his runs are due to his size than his speed. Very similar to Trey in that regard and as Trey gets used to NFL speed he'll be much more confident running the ball.

Not sure how you can watch both guys and think Lance isn't more explosive than Josh.

There are highlight videos of Josh Allen running plays. Go watch those and tell me you think Trey looks as impressive running. Josh is a more natural runner than Trey has shown, including when he was running against grocery baggers at NDSU. He is built slighter than Josh, who runs like Mike Alstott light. Trey should rely on his legs only as a last resort, and instead scramble to let receivers work to get open. I personally don't want such an expensive team asset getting hurt running.

You are trying to compare one of the best in the league who is comfortable within his system and within his ability in the NFL against a guy who's played two games and is unsure of himself. Of course he looks better. Easy to look faster when the defense is defending the pass and you take off. The games Trey played in it was blatantly obvious they were queuing in on stopping his running. They knew what was coming. If he is able to make them pay for that by passing time efficiently that will loosen up and the running will improve.

In the end I am in total agreement the only running I want done is scrambling when necessary.

The thing that caught my eye from the Trey presser is he said the finger was an issue all season and he had to learn to throw the ball differently. This could explain the wobble because he never had that issue in college or at his pro-day.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing that caught my eye from the Trey presser is he said the finger was an issue all season and he had to learn to throw the ball differently. This could explain the wobble because he never had that issue in college or at his pro-day.

He did throw some wobblers in college, but it's mainly a consistency thing--likely with his hand placement--because he throws tight spirals at times. The kid needs more reps than anything else.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing that caught my eye from the Trey presser is he said the finger was an issue all season and he had to learn to throw the ball differently. This could explain the wobble because he never had that issue in college or at his pro-day.

He did throw ducks in college, but it's mainly a consistency thing--likely with his hand placement--because he throws tight spirals at times. The kid needs more reps than anything else.

Just needs mayo in here to tell him to keep those wobblers to a minimum

Love this