Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

.@49ers @EliMitch15 had @treylance09 under center for all 21 Runs on Sunday. Haven't seen that in decades. Shotgun formation???? Get the Heck outta here. Power football baby. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/x6AfvAh69F

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) January 4, 2022

And I thought he did better when in shotgun and had more spread formations.

But it is fun to see more under C again!

Agreed 100%. Which is strange because he played primarily under C in college. Sunday he looked quite uncomfortable under C though, but very comfortable in shotgun.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Apparently Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only quarterback missing a wide open Kyle Juszczyk. #49ers pic.twitter.com/9Q0vmuKzJG

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) January 2, 2022

Dawg what.. ball should be gone here pic.twitter.com/LHTsh8OQRZ

— ryan (@RyanChillin) January 2, 2022

Difference is Jimmy actually missed Juice lol. Trey didn't see him and got blitzed...you can tell the progression of that play wasn't towards Juice.

but yeah a rookie with 2 starts since 2019 (two weeks of 1st string reps in 8 months) should be compared to a 8 yr vet who's making $100M.

Wow people Lowder really going there with that? Pathetic.

I believe Mac Jones would have seen it. That's why I'm really surprised Kyle didn't go with Mac. Kyle needs someone to run his offense, to see what he sees. Essentially a robot.

Part of it is that Trey is so undeveloped that you can mold him into whatever you want.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Maybe Jimmy doesn't need more reps. maybe he's doing what kyle wants, and its a hard thing to do. maybe kyle will want trey to do similar things over time. Anyway your never ending jimmy bashing is totally uncalled for, unprofessional, monotonous, and frankly unbalanced. Knowledgable posters should articulate their criticisms accurately and give credit where it's due, not crucify a player for the 1) failures of FO roster management, 2) the inherent challanges and short comings of the the coaches game idea, or 3) the lack of performance of fellow teammates in crucual areas as well, such as pass protection.

Which is what is being done in this thread for no reason anyone can see. Not just by you but several others as well.

Banning or timeout is totally appropriate in the face of repeated dunder headed trolling which degrades the informational content of the thread. Yet the mods are totally silent again, for no reason anyone can see.

Oh the irony. Your posts degrade every thread you opine. Get outta here with your holier-than-thou b******t.

I suggest you both move on. And try reading the rules.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yes, so peculiar that Kyle's entire offensive philosophy of where he wants the QBs to throw the ball in his offense changed week 17 exactly the same time a different QB played. An interesting coincidence, because obviously it has nothing to do with the QB.

I'm not so sure about that. Where the ball ended up going isn't always in concert with what the HC/OC dialed up initially.

It's because standard pass plays have different options for the QB, and Jimmy prefers the short options, while Lance obviously prefers the longer ones. Both require different skills. Jimmy won't consistently take the longer ones because he doesn't trust himself to make the throw, Lance won't consistently take the shorter ones because he doesn't see the short guy open fast enough. Other factors related to QB strengths and preferences apply as well.

In other words, it's the QB, not the scheme.

Aside from the QB designed runs, what exactly did you see philosophically different in play calling on passing designs?

More under center, more play-action, more like Shanahan in Atlanta. But mostly it's the same system, with the QBs simply choosing to go to different spots with the ball.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Apparently Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only quarterback missing a wide open Kyle Juszczyk. #49ers pic.twitter.com/9Q0vmuKzJG

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) January 2, 2022

Dawg what.. ball should be gone here pic.twitter.com/LHTsh8OQRZ

— ryan (@RyanChillin) January 2, 2022

Difference is Jimmy actually missed Juice lol. Trey didn't see him and got blitzed...you can tell the progression of that play wasn't towards Juice.

but yeah a rookie with 2 starts since 2019 (two weeks of 1st string reps in 8 months) should be compared to a 8 yr vet who's making $100M.

Wow people Lowder really going there with that? Pathetic.

I believe Mac Jones would have seen it. That's why I'm really surprised Kyle didn't go with Mac. Kyle needs someone to run his offense, to see what he sees. Essentially a robot.

Part of it is that Trey is so undeveloped that you can mold him into whatever you want.

i wouldn't try to mold Trey, let Trey be Trey

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i wouldn't try to mold Trey, let Trey be Trey

This. You don't put a saddle on a mustang

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Here is a video breakdown by JT O'Sullivan of Trey Lance's performance against the Texans. Great stuff. The breakdown really shows why Lance is so frustrating. He's making a lot of mistakes but the he's also making some big time plays. Fans are right to be frustrated because Lance isn't there yet.

https://youtu.be/KMz-FH1vsw4

So he's Jimmy with more potential? haha

He's a rookie. Rookie QBs make mistakes.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Not sure how many people following niner fan pages on IG but damn niner fans there are saying lance is a bust already people don't realize people develop differently.

He's definitely not a bust. I don't like what I saw, outside of a throw or 2 that stood out. But the parts of what I don't like are things that will be improved upon.

I'm not seeing the same red flags that I saw in the beginning with Colin Kaepernick. I see issues that can be corrected with time, practice, and eventually, experience.

What I saw shows me that it was the right decision to go with Jimmy for the season. With Jimmy, we are a playoff contender who can hang with anybody in the NFC (and yes, potentially be one and done as well). With Trey, we would easily be last place in the NFC West and would have been eliminated long before Seattle was.

But that's for this year. I don't think Trey is going to be a bust. I do think that he's not going to be worth all the draft capital given up to get him. I still think that all things considered, the team would have been better off with Jimmy / QB @ #12 + draft picks than with Trey - draft picks. But I also think that's more of an indictment on Kyle / John than it is on Trey. I think Trey himself will be fine.

I do think that people are overhyping his performance because of the bomb he threw to Deebo. A throw to a wide open receiver. A throw that literally any NFL QB could make. A throw that, yes, Jimmy, has made many times. Outside of that throw, he was very pedestrian.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Here is a video breakdown by JT O'Sullivan of Trey Lance's performance against the Texans. Great stuff. The breakdown really shows why Lance is so frustrating. He's making a lot of mistakes but the he's also making some big time plays. Fans are right to be frustrated because Lance isn't there yet.

https://youtu.be/KMz-FH1vsw4

Fans shouldn't be frustrated over a 21 yr old rookie who's played in 2 games since 2019. No one should expect him to be a finished product.

my takeaway from that breakdown is he's doing pretty damn good for a kid that needs reps…a lot of his issues are completely correctable with more time.

I don't think we are frustrated with a raw rookie who needs time to develop. I know im frustrated that we are two years removed from a agonizing Superbowl loss. We had the roster (at least we thought) that was very close to being superbowl contenders to now having to wait 2 or 3 years for him to develop. That's more waiting and more patience. If we had won that superbowl I think fans would be a lot more patient.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Not sure how many people following niner fan pages on IG but damn niner fans there are saying lance is a bust already people don't realize people develop differently.

He's definitely not a bust. I don't like what I saw, outside of a throw or 2 that stood out. But the parts of what I don't like are things that will be improved upon.

I'm not seeing the same red flags that I saw in the beginning with Colin Kaepernick. I see issues that can be corrected with time, practice, and eventually, experience.

What I saw shows me that it was the right decision to go with Jimmy for the season. With Jimmy, we are a playoff contender who can hang with anybody in the NFC (and yes, potentially be one and done as well). With Trey, we would easily be last place in the NFC West and would have been eliminated long before Seattle was.

But that's for this year. I don't think Trey is going to be a bust. I do think that he's not going to be worth all the draft capital given up to get him. I still think that all things considered, the team would have been better off with Jimmy / QB @ #12 + draft picks than with Trey - draft picks. But I also think that's more of an indictment on Kyle / John than it is on Trey. I think Trey himself will be fine.

I do think that people are overhyping his performance because of the bomb he threw to Deebo. A throw to a wide open receiver. A throw that literally any NFL QB could make. A throw that, yes, Jimmy, has made many times. Outside of that throw, he was very pedestrian.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i wouldn't try to mold Trey, let Trey be Trey

This. You don't put a saddle on a mustang

Got to disagree. At his age, every QB is molded. Usually they're in college still being coached up on what to do. 21 is prime developmental age. This is where you fix the bad habits and encourage the good ones.

But it's not like they took a guy completely removed from what they want. As has been mentioned here, he ran lots of the mid-2010s Shanahan concepts in college. He's an under center, PA, boot-action type of QB. So they got themselves a slab of clay that vaguely resembles what they want the final piece to look like, and are presently chipping away and correcting.

Give it till 2023 and you'll have the finished product. In the mean time, they'll be molding away.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I believe Mac Jones would have seen it. That's why I'm really surprised Kyle didn't go with Mac. Kyle needs someone to run his offense, to see what he sees. Essentially a robot.

And Jones wouldn't have made that deep ball to Deebo, that out route from the opposite hash to Jennings, or the 1st down to TS off his back foot….also if kyle wants a robot then Jones wouldn't have made that throw because the progression of that play was on the opposite side of juice's route. He probably gets sacked there just as well.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He's definitely not a bust. I don't like what I saw, outside of a throw or 2 that stood out. But the parts of what I don't like are things that will be improved upon.

I'm not seeing the same red flags that I saw in the beginning with Colin Kaepernick. I see issues that can be corrected with time, practice, and eventually, experience.

What I saw shows me that it was the right decision to go with Jimmy for the season. With Jimmy, we are a playoff contender who can hang with anybody in the NFC (and yes, potentially be one and done as well). With Trey, we would easily be last place in the NFC West and would have been eliminated long before Seattle was.

But that's for this year. I don't think Trey is going to be a bust. I do think that he's not going to be worth all the draft capital given up to get him. I still think that all things considered, the team would have been better off with Jimmy / QB @ #12 + draft picks than with Trey - draft picks. But I also think that's more of an indictment on Kyle / John than it is on Trey. I think Trey himself will be fine.

I do think that people are overhyping his performance because of the bomb he threw to Deebo. A throw to a wide open receiver. A throw that literally any NFL QB could make. A throw that, yes, Jimmy, has made many times. Outside of that throw, he was very pedestrian.

Lol

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Apparently Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only quarterback missing a wide open Kyle Juszczyk. #49ers pic.twitter.com/9Q0vmuKzJG

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) January 2, 2022

Dawg what.. ball should be gone here pic.twitter.com/LHTsh8OQRZ

— ryan (@RyanChillin) January 2, 2022

Difference is Jimmy actually missed Juice lol. Trey didn't see him and got blitzed...you can tell the progression of that play wasn't towards Juice.

but yeah a rookie with 2 starts since 2019 (two weeks of 1st string reps in 8 months) should be compared to a 8 yr vet who's making $100M.

Wow people Lowder really going there with that? Pathetic.

I believe Mac Jones would have seen it. That's why I'm really surprised Kyle didn't go with Mac. Kyle needs someone to run his offense, to see what he sees. Essentially a robot.

lol of course he would've...cuz Mac doesn't go through progressions like other QBs. He's so smart he can simulate the outcome of the play and make the throw with the clarity of where his receivers will be.

Lucky for him the time stone is not a banned substance by the NFL...YET!