Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Haven't read the whole post yet but….

There are countless of QBs who have benefitted from mostly sitting on the bench year 1. Top of my head Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Aaaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, even Colin Kaepernick and many more, and until recent years this was the standard for a lot of rookie QBs, it's really not as dramatic as you guys are making it out to be. Imo Kyle is handling Trey the right way, the other rookie QBs are a bad example because those franchises are a dumpster fire , . besides Trey from the beginning was advertised as someone who needed to at least wait a year before being a starter.

Eli played yr 1.

and how do you know the benefited from it? How do you know they wouldn't have turned out just the same if they actually played…you can point out just as many if not more young QBs that played their 1st yr and turned out good just as well.

why are those guys bad examples? If the only way you can become a great QB is by sitting yr 1 then every single team would do it. Especially the bad teams that have nothing to play for.

you're setting up your scenario perfectly, he's gonna be the scout QB rest of the year. Get damn near no development. Then according to you he's suppose to come in and be a stud in 2022 because he held a clipboard all yr…he will still be raw as sushi when it comes to playing the position, will have a lot of bumps in the road and you will claim bust. I can see it going down just like that.

End of the playing football gets you better at football….if you disagree with that then this whole debate is pointless.

Lance needs to tighten up his mechanics. Almost impossible to do that during the season as the starter. He needs to sit 1 year, really tighten up the motion, learn the playbook and hit the ground running year 2.

Originally posted by Roryslosh:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Haven't read the whole post yet but….

There are countless of QBs who have benefitted from mostly sitting on the bench year 1. Top of my head Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Aaaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, even Colin Kaepernick and many more, and until recent years this was the standard for a lot of rookie QBs, it's really not as dramatic as you guys are making it out to be. Imo Kyle is handling Trey the right way, the other rookie QBs are a bad example because those franchises are a dumpster fire , . besides Trey from the beginning was advertised as someone who needed to at least wait a year before being a starter.

Eli played yr 1.

and how do you know the benefited from it? How do you know they wouldn't have turned out just the same if they actually played…you can point out just as many if not more young QBs that played their 1st yr and turned out good just as well.

why are those guys bad examples? If the only way you can become a great QB is by sitting yr 1 then every single team would do it. Especially the bad teams that have nothing to play for.

you're setting up your scenario perfectly, he's gonna be the scout QB rest of the year. Get damn near no development. Then according to you he's suppose to come in and be a stud in 2022 because he held a clipboard all yr…he will still be raw as sushi when it comes to playing the position, will have a lot of bumps in the road and you will claim bust. I can see it going down just like that.

End of the playing football gets you better at football….if you disagree with that then this whole debate is pointless.

Lance needs to tighten up his mechanics. Almost impossible to do that during the season as the starter. He needs to sit 1 year, really tighten up the motion, learn the playbook and hit the ground running year 2.

Tightening up mechanics means nothing if they don't stay proper within a game environment. Much easier to do the right things when you know nobody is trying to hit you and you don't have the adrenaline from a live game there to throw you off.

There are benefits to sitting and playing. IMO Trey needs live reps and only way to get them is by playing. You can work on mechanics during the offseason. Can't work on live reps then.

Trey was acting like Ray Charles out there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:
From the mouth of Mahomes :

"Just in preparation, the mental side of the game, I definitely benefited," Mahomes said. "Being able to watch how teams made adjustments, and then how we made adjustments to the defense, how we'd figure out what blitzes they were bringing, how to protect them, it definitely helped me in the game [against the Chargers]. It's knowing how to operate the huddle, and then being able to go out there and execute the game plan how it's supposed to be run."

And as the quarterback himself intimated, there were plenty of fireworks set off on Sunday that would have created issues in 2017.

"I may have made some of them, making the throws and all that," he said. "But there are parts now where I'm so much further ahead mentally that I'm more comfortable in the pocket, I don't have to worry about, 'Am I protected?' Or if I'm hot. I know those things. … Being able to throw the ball to the right spots and trusting my o-line, it's definitely something I've gained as I've had that last year to learn."

Some guys should sit, some guys can play early on... every player is different. Those closest to the situation like Kyle and or John Lynch have a better grasp of which category TL probably best fits in, fwiw Quincy Avery agrees with KS in sitting him.

But to say he will get damn near no development is flat out wrong. That is a narrative being pushed by the "Play Trey now" crowd if we are being honest.

I agree with what Cossell said here :

"I know there's a lot of people who believe just because he can run around and Garoppolo can't, that that automatically makes him a better option," Cosell shared. "But I think the whole point, and the reason coaches work 16, 17 hours a day, is they want the quarterback to execute the offense. And I think, at this point in time, Jimmy Garoppolo executes the offense better than Trey Lance. But the bottom line is Trey Lance has started one game, so this is not a knock on Trey Lance. This is just where he is right now."

Trey won't be a stud should he be QB1 next year if he sits behind JG this year. There will still be some bumps and bruises as he grows into the position.

Lol and Mahomes said he couldn't read defenses when he won the MVP…literally what every guy says about sitting is they learned how to prepare like a pro…wow.

Jimmy sat for 3 yrs so according to all of you he should be the MVP of the league lol…nope he's still got the same mechanics issues since his NE days. Still doesn't see the field well. All I heard when he wasn't doing well is hey he's only got so many passing attempts. Well no s**t.

game slows down when you get put in those live situations over and over. Not sitting on the sideline listening to the play call and watching Jimmy put on his jock strap "like a pro".

You either start developing now or you basically waste a yr and have to do it next yr….it's gonna be so awesome to listen to everyone b***h about Lance not being Mahomes next yr because he sat a yr.

If he sits, I don't believe a year isn't wasted. Especially for a kid coming from NDSU with as much experience as he has. And I already said he would see bumps and bruises next year if he sits this year.

If sitting a year is a waste and or hurts a players development, then why have some very talented and well respected football minds done just that and have shown that it didn't have a negative impact or effect?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I worry about all our players being, "injury prone" with this S&C staff. Especially with Sum ting Wong running the joint.

Bang ding ow?

I had no idea Captain Wong survived the plane crash. Any word on Hoo Lee Fuk or Wi Tu Lo?

They jumped out the back like D.B. Cooper.

Wee brak leig is still trying to find his way our of the medical tape storage unit.

Them showing up with Trey is so staged lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I thought Kittle didn't like Trey 🙄

DJ Jones, George Kittle, and Trey Lance here tonight!!!#BayAreaUnite #TreyAreaaaaa pic.twitter.com/HXFtfuN9YV

— Nick Newman (@NinerNick_22) October 15, 2021

lol right, pretty sure they went to Vegas earlier in the yr too

DAMNNNN... even the UMPS are against the GIANTS !!!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I worry about all our players being, "injury prone" with this S&C staff. Especially with Sum ting Wong running the joint.

Bang ding ow?

I had no idea Captain Wong survived the plane crash. Any word on Hoo Lee Fuk or Wi Tu Lo?

They jumped out the back like D.B. Cooper.

Wee brak leig is still trying to find his way our of the medical tape storage unit.

Ho Lee Fuk was heard when Trey rang in the injury the morning after

Wait till he starts to play action to where the RB is going....the league aint ready..........................................SON!

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by bewdynewkJH38:

The kid played strong and with no fear. Exactly what I expected. His first game as a starter and his adrenaline would have been pumping. I think he will be a superstar in time but not just yet. Plenty to learn but he has years ahead of him and it's gunna be a hell of a ride.
I don't have an opinion on who should be the starter because I don't know enough about the game so I trust Kyle to make that call. I just want the boys to win

Chill out with all of that positivity. There is no room for that here. You're either a Jimmy fan or a Trey fan, but you can NOT be a 49ers fan.

My apologies for this but I sigh at some of the stuff that is said on here. I understand the passion for the 49ers and the incredible history of success. My personnel opinion based on what I have watched since 2015 is the Niners are in good hands with Kyle and John running the show. The decision to pick Trey at 3 was ballsy to say the least but it's a work in progress and no one really knows how it will work out but I'm a glass half full bloke so I remain positive until convinced otherwise

Originally posted by bewdynewkJH38:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by bewdynewkJH38:

The kid played strong and with no fear. Exactly what I expected. His first game as a starter and his adrenaline would have been pumping. I think he will be a superstar in time but not just yet. Plenty to learn but he has years ahead of him and it's gunna be a hell of a ride.
I don't have an opinion on who should be the starter because I don't know enough about the game so I trust Kyle to make that call. I just want the boys to win

Chill out with all of that positivity. There is no room for that here. You're either a Jimmy fan or a Trey fan, but you can NOT be a 49ers fan.

My apologies for this but I sigh at some of the stuff that is said on here. I understand the passion for the 49ers and the incredible history of success. My personnel opinion based on what I have watched since 2015 is the Niners are in good hands with Kyle and John running the show. The decision to pick Trey at 3 was ballsy to say the least but it's a work in progress and no one really knows how it will work out but I'm a glass half full bloke so I remain positive until convinced otherwise

He will most likely work out but he will get killed trying to make some of those unnecessary runs due to his inexpereince. Like the one where he tried to turn inside the defender instead of running to the side line. That was a big hit. They type that could leave him seriously injured. He needs to sit this year. Get his mechanics better, learn the play book better, learn to read defenses better and learn situational awareness. These guys who are wishing him to start all the time will see their dream blow up....injured

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Them showing up with Trey is so staged lol.

Staged for who? Lol

Originally posted by Roryslosh:
Lance needs to tighten up his mechanics. Almost impossible to do that during the season as the starter. He needs to sit 1 year, really tighten up the motion, learn the playbook and hit the ground running year 2.

No he needs to play football. I agree his mechanics need to improve...so do a lot of QBs including the other QB on our team currently. That will be a thing for every QB during the off season. They're all working on their mechanics.

He needs reps and game speed, he needs film of HIM playing football. He needs to see coverages and being able to diagnose things pre/post. You can say whatever on a white board, means nothing until you do it 11 on 11. s**t will slow down as he does it more and sees more....not sure why that's so hard for people to get.

He's not gonna hit the ground running because he played scout team all yr. He's literally wasting a yr by doing what he's doing. He will be a raw 2nd yr QB who hasn't played meaningful snaps in over 2 yrs if you put him on the bench AND it's not like he had 1,000s of reps before coming here anyway.

Originally posted by evil:
If he sits, I don't believe a year isn't wasted. Especially for a kid coming from NDSU with as much experience as he has. And I already said he would see bumps and bruises next year if he sits this year.

If sitting a year is a waste and or hurts a players development, then why have some very talented and well respected football minds done just that and have shown that it didn't have a negative impact or effect?

How do you know it had some great impact? You think if Mahomes played his rookie yr he would suck right now? You think if Blaine Gabbert sat a yr he'd be amazing? You think Jordan Love is gonna be a all-pro because he hasn't played football for yrs? You have no idea. There's plenty of QBs that played their rookie yr at some point and are damn good QBs.

You think if Watson/Wilson/Dak/Herbert/Allen/Burrow/Murray/Jackson etc red shirt they would be even better? No man, they needed to play football and grow through the game. Not watch guys like tyrod taylor play in front of them. Them playing football is what is getting them better at football.

I was of the mindset that Jimmy should be the week 1 starter...they made their bed with him and gave him a f**k ton of cash. I was saying unless Jimmy was playing at a pro-bowl level, then after the bye Lance should get in there. IF Lance was completely clueless with the playbook fine...I truly do not think that's the case...he simply doesn't have the reps, the game is fast right now for him and the only way it's gonna slow down is if he can play more. NOT being the scout QB and continue to not get reps....literally what they're doing is the most minimal way to develop him, I believe lynch the other day basically said after Lance's first game he was impressed because he basically got no reps with the 1st team since day 1 and basically no real reps during the season. Great way to get your highly invested QB going.

Originally posted by Goatie:
He will most likely work out but he will get killed trying to make some of those unnecessary runs due to his inexpereince. Like the one where he tried to turn inside the defender instead of running to the side line. That was a big hit. They type that could leave him seriously injured. He needs to sit this year. Get his mechanics better, learn the play book better, learn to read defenses better and learn situational awareness. These guys who are wishing him to start all the time will see their dream blow up....injured

He had two big hits that whole game, if you watch it again. The 4th in goal where he actually laid the wood and the hit where they ripped his helmet off. Every other run wasn't some crushing hit and most of the time it was him already falling down and guys laying on top of him.

LOL how are you gonna learn to read defenses better by being the teams scout QB? How are you gonna learn situational awareness by NOT playing football...my god people, you all want him to develop and figure it all out by not doing what he actually has to do to get better at it...it's like saying you want Ben Simmons to get better at shooting 3s, yet you don't want him to practice shooting 3s or take them in games...he should "watch the film" maybe if he sits a yr he will figure it out