Who was the best QB the 49ers had in the last decade

Originally posted by thl408:

What has Jimmy done to deserve that title? He was carried to the SB with a run game and top defense. The defense and run game is gone this year and you see the real Jimmy. I voted Gabbert because when it comes to bang for the buck, Gabbert easily tops the other QBs. He doesn't lose SBs and is currently on his 5th team which shows he is a coveted asset around the NFL.

I seem to recall Kap having a pretty good d and run game too. If you want to compare our o and passing attacks from 12/13 to last year though be my guest but spoiler Shanny/ Jimmy wins.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol you do realize Alex was a 1 read QB that couldn't throw a fade to save his life, right?

Kap played 1 full season with a competent franchise. Alex got 7 years with competent franchise's.

Pro bowls mean nothing, especially when Kap deserved to go in 2013 more than Alex, who pretty much just dumped it off to Charles that entire season.

Alex has had 2 GW drives (Saints and Chargers week 1 2016(?)). All his "GWDs" are just normal drives where his anemic offenses (loaded with talent) would finally take a 19-13 lead. Real clutch situations usually end like the SF game in 2014, or you could just look at yesterday.

You can't compare passer ratings when Alex was checking down to elite talent on 90% of his throws. He was way ahead of Kap and Jimmy on his presnap reads, but that's really all he had. Alex was a crappy checkdown artist that got carried

Alex's best year as 49er Niner ended with our kicker breaking Jerry Rice's scoring record....

Originally posted by RidiculousJimmyBlame:

Originally posted by titan:

All these QB make me miss Jeff Garcia.

Jeff Garcia couldn't carry Jimmy's jock.

Jesus...this fan base.

"Waaaah, Jimmy doesn't have a deep ball."

"Jeff "2 yard dumpoffs to T.O.'s feet" Garcia was so goodzzz."

😂 This is a poster that never watched Jeff Garcia play!!!

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Alex's best year as 49er Niner ended with our kicker breaking Jerry Rice's scoring record....

Alex still better than kap. Kap could run in a straight line. Thats it. Terrible pocket instincts. Uncanny, really, how he always made the wrong choices.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Alex's best year as 49er Niner ended with our kicker breaking Jerry Rice's scoring record....

Alex still better than kap. Kap could run in a straight line. Thats it. Terrible pocket instincts. Uncanny, really, how he always made the wrong choices.

Alex Smith got bench for Kap....LOL.....

You clearly are bias. I put my statement in bold once again, just in case you missed it.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
With the way that Shanahan runs his offense, I feel like Kap or Smith would have succeeded in it.

As long as we have a solid defense too.

But my vote still goes to Jimmy.

Kap.

as if fans think they know more than Shanahan and the actual coaching staff in regards to scheme fit LOL

Did I say I knew more than Shanahan? Just like everyone else, I'm entitled to an opinion and that's mine.

So far, he's only had QB's be game managers which is what exactly Smith and Kap knew how to do.

And elite defense with a run first offense is how we've had success over the last 9 years. meaning 2011-2013 and 2019

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Anyone who didnt vote for Jimmy or Kaepernick is trolling.

What has Jimmy done to deserve that title? He was carried to the SB with a run game and top defense. The defense and run game is gone this year and you see the real Jimmy. I voted Gabbert because when it comes to bang for the buck, Gabbert easily tops the other QBs. He doesn't lose SBs and is currently on his 5th team which shows he is a coveted asset around the NFL.

My thoughts exactly.....He doesn't lose Super Bowls, because he's never even sniffed one without buying a ticket.

That is a great point. I didn't think about that.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
With the way that Shanahan runs his offense, I feel like Kap or Smith would have succeeded in it.

As long as we have a solid defense too.

But my vote still goes to Jimmy.

Kap.

as if fans think they know more than Shanahan and the actual coaching staff in regards to scheme fit LOL

Some on the Webzone think they know more then Shanahan and Lynch on who our QB should be.

I liked how Garoppolo played last year, and I don't pin the SB loss on him; the whole offense (including the playcalling) underperformed and KC had a great defensive day. I appreciated his play, and the NO, LAR (home) and SEA (away) games were great displays of what he could do.

But he's only given us one good year. Injuries are part of the game, and he's been injured for half the time he's been here. I'm sorry, but it's not enough. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm just saying that he can't compare to what Kaepernick achieved in that great 1.5 year with us.

The Chicago, NO, NE and GB games in 2012, the comeback vs Atlanta (which shouldn't have come to the wire if only Crabtree held the ball on the 1 yard line), the almost comeback in the SB, the GB games in 2013, the complete and utter outplaying of Carolina away, these are great achievements. I can't understand how people blame him for the NFCCG in 2013. Sure, he had a couple of bad throws in the 4th Quarter that ended our hopes, but we were in it simply because he played out of his mind in the first half, and even traded TDs once the Seattle offense finally got going. All this was a great achievement, not just down to him of course, but with him as a major (and sometimes the top) contributor. The 2014 team was very tired and injured and past it, and he didn't play that well. That Thanksgiving game when he was relentlessly blitzed and got no help from the scheme did rattle him. 2015 and 2016 were terrible teams with terrible coaches, and even so he gave some good performances.

He's not a great QB on the whole, but he had very, very good moments with us and 4-2 in the playoffs is a big deal whatever lows he hit afterwards.

I think people are just letting their political opinions cloud their football ones.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Anyone who didnt vote for Jimmy or Kaepernick is trolling.

What has Jimmy done to deserve that title? He was carried to the SB with a run game and top defense. The defense and run game is gone this year and you see the real Jimmy. I voted Gabbert because when it comes to bang for the buck, Gabbert easily tops the other QBs. He doesn't lose SBs and is currently on his 5th team which shows he is a coveted asset around the NFL.

Completely agree with this. I picked Alex because to me, the decision-making, durability, mobility and pre-snap mental game of his were all superior to Jimmy. Jimmy throws guys open more and has a quick release. But he's not yet proven to be better, but to be fair, it's reasonable to think it's because the sample size is smaller.

LMAO!!! Nice to see you adding onto thl's joke.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I get that people are still mercilessly harping on him for not being a "gunslinger" here with the fantastic WR corps of out-of-the-league Crabtree and Brett Swain, players that couldn't really have their play elevated much more than where they already were. I was okay with him limiting mistakes to give us a chance in those games.

Regardless of QB, we were a power running team that never had the arsenal to be higher flying until 2012 where Alex was on pace for roughly 25 TDs, but unfortunately got hurt mid-season. No question he was never on the level of a guy like Mahomes or other hyper-elites, but he was smart AF, taking calculated risks and playing efficiently to give the team a chance to win more often than not. Smith was more clutch as well, orchestrating five game-winning drives in 2011, three in 2014, and three in 2016. Kaepernick only had 3 GWD once in his career.

So yes, I would take 2012 Alex over him, as well as over 2019 Jimmy G. Sure, Jimmy slings it, but his pre-snap reads and decision-making are not even in the same galaxy as Alex. Nor is his deep ball. Colin was a one-read QB who couldn't throw a fade if his life depended on it. Kaepernick, who has a losing record as a starter, never passed for more than 21 TDs in a season, never passed for more than 3400 yds in a season, and never came close to matching Smith's best two QB ratings. Smith has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt, more than the other two combined (0). In the end, the decision was not that hard between those guys.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 21 TDs a season".....neither did Alex. His high was 18.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 3400 yards in a season"....neither did Alex. His high was 3144.

"Kaepernick never came close to matching Smith's best two QB rating seasons"....Kap's best was 91.6 if you remove the half season of 2012. Smith's best two seasons were 90.7 and 82.1 if you remove his half season of 2012 as well. So yeah, Kap's best exceeded Alex's.

(I can picture you having a problem with me taking out the half seasons for some reason, so if you want to use those, Smith had a 104.1 and Kaepernick had a 98.3....so the idea that Kap's 98.3 "never came close to matching" a 104.1 and 90.7 is still wrong.)

"Smith has three pro bowls under his belt".....completely irrelevant to the conversation. All were accomplished on a different team.

OTC, you are a good poster who I respect....this is easily the worst post I have ever seen from you. Making stuff up. Factually incorrect information. Etc. Just an awful post.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Some on the Webzone think they know more then Shanahan and Lynch on who our QB should be.

Don´t look at me.

I wanted Deshaun Watson

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I get that people are still mercilessly harping on him for not being a "gunslinger" here with the fantastic WR corps of out-of-the-league Crabtree and Brett Swain, players that couldn't really have their play elevated much more than where they already were. I was okay with him limiting mistakes to give us a chance in those games.

Regardless of QB, we were a power running team that never had the arsenal to be higher flying until 2012 where Alex was on pace for roughly 25 TDs, but unfortunately got hurt mid-season. No question he was never on the level of a guy like Mahomes or other hyper-elites, but he was smart AF, taking calculated risks and playing efficiently to give the team a chance to win more often than not. Smith was more clutch as well, orchestrating five game-winning drives in 2011, three in 2014, and three in 2016. Kaepernick only had 3 GWD once in his career.

So yes, I would take 2012 Alex over him, as well as over 2019 Jimmy G. Sure, Jimmy slings it, but his pre-snap reads and decision-making are not even in the same galaxy as Alex. Nor is his deep ball. Colin was a one-read QB who couldn't throw a fade if his life depended on it. Kaepernick, who has a losing record as a starter, never passed for more than 21 TDs in a season, never passed for more than 3400 yds in a season, and never came close to matching Smith's best two QB ratings. Smith has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt, more than the other two combined (0). In the end, the decision was not that hard between those guys.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 21 TDs a season".....neither did Alex. His high was 18.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 3400 yards in a season"....neither did Alex. His high was 3144.

"Kaepernick never came close to matching Smith's best two QB rating seasons"....Kap's best was 91.6 if you remove the half season of 2012. Smith's best two seasons were 90.7 and 82.1 if you remove his half season of 2012 as well. So yeah, Kap's best exceeded Alex's.

(I can picture you having a problem with me taking out the half seasons for some reason, so if you want to use those, Smith had a 104.1 and Kaepernick had a 98.3....so the idea that Kap's 98.3 "never came close to matching" a 104.1 and 90.7 is still wrong.)

"Smith has three pro bowls under his belt".....completely irrelevant to the conversation. All were accomplished on a different team.

OTC, you are a good poster who I respect....this is easily the worst post I have ever seen from you. Making stuff up. Factually incorrect information. Etc. Just an awful post.

Nope, it's all accurate, straight from pro football reference. I never make stuff up. I never said the numbers I referenced were ONLY WITH THE NINERS, and I thought that this was blatantly obvious to anyone who followed his career. Secondly, the post never specifically stipulates that you MUST judge the player ONLY by their body of work in San Francisco. When it asks who was the best, I look at the player as an individual, and they cannot be accurately judged solely by their body of work with one team only. That's completely dishonest.

I'm looking at their careers. Even only by their Niner performance, I still would pick Alex, who I believe would've won the Super Bowl against the Ravens. Just my opinion. Also my belief that if not for Kyle Williams against the Giants, we go to and win the Super Bowl that year as well with Alex. Again. Just my opinion. Can neither be proven or disproven and I respect any argument to the contrary.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I get that people are still mercilessly harping on him for not being a "gunslinger" here with the fantastic WR corps of out-of-the-league Crabtree and Brett Swain, players that couldn't really have their play elevated much more than where they already were. I was okay with him limiting mistakes to give us a chance in those games.

Regardless of QB, we were a power running team that never had the arsenal to be higher flying until 2012 where Alex was on pace for roughly 25 TDs, but unfortunately got hurt mid-season. No question he was never on the level of a guy like Mahomes or other hyper-elites, but he was smart AF, taking calculated risks and playing efficiently to give the team a chance to win more often than not. Smith was more clutch as well, orchestrating five game-winning drives in 2011, three in 2014, and three in 2016. Kaepernick only had 3 GWD once in his career.

So yes, I would take 2012 Alex over him, as well as over 2019 Jimmy G. Sure, Jimmy slings it, but his pre-snap reads and decision-making are not even in the same galaxy as Alex. Nor is his deep ball. Colin was a one-read QB who couldn't throw a fade if his life depended on it. Kaepernick, who has a losing record as a starter, never passed for more than 21 TDs in a season, never passed for more than 3400 yds in a season, and never came close to matching Smith's best two QB ratings. Smith has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt, more than the other two combined (0). In the end, the decision was not that hard between those guys.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 21 TDs a season".....neither did Alex. His high was 18.

"Kaepernick never passed for more than 3400 yards in a season"....neither did Alex. His high was 3144.

"Kaepernick never came close to matching Smith's best two QB rating seasons"....Kap's best was 91.6 if you remove the half season of 2012. Smith's best two seasons were 90.7 and 82.1 if you remove his half season of 2012 as well. So yeah, Kap's best exceeded Alex's.

(I can picture you having a problem with me taking out the half seasons for some reason, so if you want to use those, Smith had a 104.1 and Kaepernick had a 98.3....so the idea that Kap's 98.3 "never came close to matching" a 104.1 and 90.7 is still wrong.)

"Smith has three pro bowls under his belt".....completely irrelevant to the conversation. All were accomplished on a different team.

OTC, you are a good poster who I respect....this is easily the worst post I have ever seen from you. Making stuff up. Factually incorrect information. Etc. Just an awful post.

Nope, it's all accurate, straight from pro football reference. I never make stuff up. I never said the numbers I referenced were ONLY WITH THE NINERS, and I thought that this was blatantly obvious to anyone who followed his career. Secondly, the post never specifically stipulates that you MUST judge the player ONLY by their body of work in San Francisco. When it asks who was the best, I look at the player as an individual, and they cannot be accurately judged solely by their body of work with one team only. That's completely dishonest.

I'm looking at their careers. Even only by their Niner performance, I still would pick Alex, who I believe would've won the Super Bowl against the Ravens. Just my opinion. Also my belief that if not for Kyle Williams against the Giants, we go to and win the Super Bowl that year as well with Alex. Again. Just my opinion. Can neither be proven or disproven and I respect any argument to the contrary.

Speaks volumes of clutchness but blames Kyle williams.

Alex Prime ball you speak of only avg 1 TD a game and the rest were FGs. No way Alex smith wins or goes to any SB even in madden

Originally posted by Goatie:
Some on the Webzone think they know more then Shanahan and Lynch on who our QB should be.

Shanahan's opinion is self admittedly bias. He doesn't like QBs that can escape the pocket. He was looking for a specific type, no matter how dynamic Kap may have been. That is why he passed on Watson and Mahomes and chose Beathard even though our starting QB was Hoyer.....let that sink in for a second.