Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Since07:
With nerve damage? People really chalking this up as a basic ACL I only see an ACL for Charles. AP, Gronk, and Hockenson tore both with no nerve damage. Only AP is really applicable considering the position. Pointing out Brady? Really?

Brady has to consistently move around and his legs are really important to throw with power. So yeah that s**t matters…he's the best player of all time.

I've seen conflicting reports with JC and what never damage for BA? Go look at Gronk's injury and his recovery. Kelce torn MCL and ACL in 2012. Toss in Chris Goodwin in 2021 and Courtland Sutton in 2020. My god did you see Nick Chubb's knee injury in college 🤮

Theres been plenty of players that have torn ACL/MCLs between college and NFL that have recovered and played at a high level

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
They don't always report the nerve damage, but it's not uncommon. The nerve damage is not as big a deal as getting a clean result from the surgery on the ACL.

I agree the ACL is more damaging but there have been a lot of players that never were quite the same after tearing both at the same time.

Even if the surgery is successful their are other problems that can occur chances of swelling and aggravating it go up exponentially.

"Acurring together, can have significant long-term effects on knee function and stability. While MCL injuries often heal well with conservative treatment, ACL tears typically require surgery for optimal recovery. The combination of these injuries can lead to persistent instability, pain, and an increased risk of developing osteoarthritis."

Remember Todd Gurley had to retire because of arthritis. Dont think his career is over but its not as simple as just an ACL

True, and the chronic issues are the most common issue with knees now, it's also what PRP addresses.

It's also true that the younger a player gets these injuries the more likely they can come back now. The modern procedures do less collateral damage and are less likely to result in scar tissue that often leads to arthritis and reduced blood flow. It's also likely that even if he does get to 100% it probably will shorten his career some.

Again, the point is that it is possible he can come back 100% like he was in 2023. Not saying it's certain he will, just that it's not at all certain he won't.

I had a doctor pointing to me all the places where arthritis would develop at 30 while looking at all my joint and back images on the light walls. 2 torn meniscus, 1 patellar dislocation, 1 shattered vertebrae, 1 dislocated shoulder, 8 other dislocated joints (fingers and toes), 30+ sprains, 8 significant concussions. The old surgeries might well have done more long term damage than the injuries themselves. I'm old now and the time without pain is less than the time with. My brother in law is a former NBA trainer and my sister is a world class occupational therapist (Joe Montana was a patient when he was a player and she TURNED DOWN OWNERS BOX TICKETS OFFERED BY EDDIE D!), and they both say the same thing, that the procedures are much better and more consistent now and the failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
They don't always report the nerve damage, but it's not uncommon. The nerve damage is not as big a deal as getting a clean result from the surgery on the ACL.

I agree the ACL is more damaging but there have been a lot of players that never were quite the same after tearing both at the same time.

Even if the surgery is successful their are other problems that can occur chances of swelling and aggravating it go up exponentially.

"Acurring together, can have significant long-term effects on knee function and stability. While MCL injuries often heal well with conservative treatment, ACL tears typically require surgery for optimal recovery. The combination of these injuries can lead to persistent instability, pain, and an increased risk of developing osteoarthritis."

Remember Todd Gurley had to retire because of arthritis. Dont think his career is over but its not as simple as just an ACL

True, and the chronic issues are the most common issue with knees now, it's also what PRP addresses.

It's also true that the younger a player gets these injuries the more likely they can come back now. The modern procedures do less collateral damage and are less likely to result in scar tissue that often leads to arthritis and reduced blood flow. It's also likely that even if he does get to 100% it probably will shorten his career some.

Again, the point is that it is possible he can come back 100% like he was in 2023. Not saying it's certain he will, just that it's not at all certain he won't.

I had a doctor pointing to me all the places where arthritis would develop at 30 while looking at all my joint and back images on the light walls. 2 torn meniscus, 1 patellar dislocation, 1 shattered vertebrae, 1 dislocated shoulder, 8 other dislocated joints (fingers and toes), 30+ sprains, 8 significant concussions. The old surgeries might well have done more long term damage than the injuries themselves. I'm old now and the time without pain is less than the time with. My brother in law is a former NBA trainer and my sister is a world class occupational therapist (Joe Montana was a patient when he was a player and she TURNED DOWN OWNERS BOX TICKETS OFFERED BY EDDIE D!), and they both say the same thing, that the procedures are much better and more consistent now and the failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself.

Yup, my wife is a DPT and I'm always asking her about football injuries lol. She deals mainly with knees, back, hips and shoulders.

the improvement in medication/surgery for your joints/tendons is pretty significant…back issues are another thing, getting surgeries there can be a slippery slope.

also, we're just living longer and doing more at an older age, overall things like our joints aren't built to handle everything we do nowadays for a long period of time. Knee/hip replacements are pretty common.

as far as BA goes, it's all about recovery and feeling confident after that recovery. No setbacks or issues after the fact…as long as that all happens he should be fine.

It remains to be seen if Aiyuk is the same player when he gets back on the field. One thing is fairly certain. He probably won't be much of a factor for the first half of the season. He's going to start on the PUP list so he'll miss the first 4 games. Then he'll likely take some time to get back in game shape. One of the biggest issues after a serious injury is the psychological side. Some players have a hard time pushing it because they fear ithey could injure it again.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
They don't always report the nerve damage, but it's not uncommon. The nerve damage is not as big a deal as getting a clean result from the surgery on the ACL.

I agree the ACL is more damaging but there have been a lot of players that never were quite the same after tearing both at the same time.

Even if the surgery is successful their are other problems that can occur chances of swelling and aggravating it go up exponentially.

"Acurring together, can have significant long-term effects on knee function and stability. While MCL injuries often heal well with conservative treatment, ACL tears typically require surgery for optimal recovery. The combination of these injuries can lead to persistent instability, pain, and an increased risk of developing osteoarthritis."

Remember Todd Gurley had to retire because of arthritis. Dont think his career is over but its not as simple as just an ACL

True, and the chronic issues are the most common issue with knees now, it's also what PRP addresses.

It's also true that the younger a player gets these injuries the more likely they can come back now. The modern procedures do less collateral damage and are less likely to result in scar tissue that often leads to arthritis and reduced blood flow. It's also likely that even if he does get to 100% it probably will shorten his career some.

Again, the point is that it is possible he can come back 100% like he was in 2023. Not saying it's certain he will, just that it's not at all certain he won't.

I had a doctor pointing to me all the places where arthritis would develop at 30 while looking at all my joint and back images on the light walls. 2 torn meniscus, 1 patellar dislocation, 1 shattered vertebrae, 1 dislocated shoulder, 8 other dislocated joints (fingers and toes), 30+ sprains, 8 significant concussions. The old surgeries might well have done more long term damage than the injuries themselves. I'm old now and the time without pain is less than the time with. My brother in law is a former NBA trainer and my sister is a world class occupational therapist (Joe Montana was a patient when he was a player and she TURNED DOWN OWNERS BOX TICKETS OFFERED BY EDDIE D!), and they both say the same thing, that the procedures are much better and more consistent now and the failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself.

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Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
They don't always report the nerve damage, but it's not uncommon. The nerve damage is not as big a deal as getting a clean result from the surgery on the ACL.

I agree the ACL is more damaging but there have been a lot of players that never were quite the same after tearing both at the same time.

Even if the surgery is successful their are other problems that can occur chances of swelling and aggravating it go up exponentially.

"Acurring together, can have significant long-term effects on knee function and stability. While MCL injuries often heal well with conservative treatment, ACL tears typically require surgery for optimal recovery. The combination of these injuries can lead to persistent instability, pain, and an increased risk of developing osteoarthritis."

Remember Todd Gurley had to retire because of arthritis. Dont think his career is over but its not as simple as just an ACL

True, and the chronic issues are the most common issue with knees now, it's also what PRP addresses.

It's also true that the younger a player gets these injuries the more likely they can come back now. The modern procedures do less collateral damage and are less likely to result in scar tissue that often leads to arthritis and reduced blood flow. It's also likely that even if he does get to 100% it probably will shorten his career some.

Again, the point is that it is possible he can come back 100% like he was in 2023. Not saying it's certain he will, just that it's not at all certain he won't.

I had a doctor pointing to me all the places where arthritis would develop at 30 while looking at all my joint and back images on the light walls. 2 torn meniscus, 1 patellar dislocation, 1 shattered vertebrae, 1 dislocated shoulder, 8 other dislocated joints (fingers and toes), 30+ sprains, 8 significant concussions. The old surgeries might well have done more long term damage than the injuries themselves. I'm old now and the time without pain is less than the time with. My brother in law is a former NBA trainer and my sister is a world class occupational therapist (Joe Montana was a patient when he was a player and she TURNED DOWN OWNERS BOX TICKETS OFFERED BY EDDIE D!), and they both say the same thing, that the procedures are much better and more consistent now and the failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself.

???

Hehe ... football, BMX, touring cycling, skiing, motorcycles, race tracks. The most gruesome injury was in a BMX race I got a handlebar through my cheek, but that was just soft tissue because my mouth was open. 40 stitches in my cheek and 20 in my gums. Maybe that or getting really bad road rash down my right side when a truck ran me off the road in a 100 mile road race in Sonoma ... spent 3 hours getting gravel and debris being picked out of my leg and arm.

Funny thing is the only problems I face day to day is I can't lay down for more than about 6 hours at a time without things starting to lock up, and a few fingers that hurt if you touch them in the wrong place. Everything else comes and goes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup, my wife is a DPT and I'm always asking her about football injuries lol. She deals mainly with knees, back, hips and shoulders.

the improvement in medication/surgery for your joints/tendons is pretty significant…back issues are another thing, getting surgeries there can be a slippery slope.

also, we're just living longer and doing more at an older age, overall things like our joints aren't built to handle everything we do nowadays for a long period of time. Knee/hip replacements are pretty common.

as far as BA goes, it's all about recovery and feeling confident after that recovery. No step backs or issues after the fact…as long as that all happens he should be fine.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself".

Unfortunately that stuff is almost entirely on the player and there is only so much anyone can do for them.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup, my wife is a DPT and I'm always asking her about football injuries lol. She deals mainly with knees, back, hips and shoulders.

the improvement in medication/surgery for your joints/tendons is pretty significant…back issues are another thing, getting surgeries there can be a slippery slope.

also, we're just living longer and doing more at an older age, overall things like our joints aren't built to handle everything we do nowadays for a long period of time. Knee/hip replacements are pretty common.

as far as BA goes, it's all about recovery and feeling confident after that recovery. No setbacks or issues after the fact…as long as that all happens he should be fine.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself".

Unfortunately that stuff is almost entirely on the player and there is only so much anyone can do for them.

Yup! I feel like having a good recovery/rehab process will equal a better mentality to go out there and play at 100%. No setbacks with the injury through that process and they should be good to go with this type of injury (from what we know of it).

folks gotta understand these players have the best of the best with everything from surgeons to recovery and rehab. They also have the time to do everything.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
They don't always report the nerve damage, but it's not uncommon. The nerve damage is not as big a deal as getting a clean result from the surgery on the ACL.

I agree the ACL is more damaging but there have been a lot of players that never were quite the same after tearing both at the same time.

Even if the surgery is successful their are other problems that can occur chances of swelling and aggravating it go up exponentially.

"Acurring together, can have significant long-term effects on knee function and stability. While MCL injuries often heal well with conservative treatment, ACL tears typically require surgery for optimal recovery. The combination of these injuries can lead to persistent instability, pain, and an increased risk of developing osteoarthritis."

Remember Todd Gurley had to retire because of arthritis. Dont think his career is over but its not as simple as just an ACL

True, and the chronic issues are the most common issue with knees now, it's also what PRP addresses.

It's also true that the younger a player gets these injuries the more likely they can come back now. The modern procedures do less collateral damage and are less likely to result in scar tissue that often leads to arthritis and reduced blood flow. It's also likely that even if he does get to 100% it probably will shorten his career some.

Again, the point is that it is possible he can come back 100% like he was in 2023. Not saying it's certain he will, just that it's not at all certain he won't.

I had a doctor pointing to me all the places where arthritis would develop at 30 while looking at all my joint and back images on the light walls. 2 torn meniscus, 1 patellar dislocation, 1 shattered vertebrae, 1 dislocated shoulder, 8 other dislocated joints (fingers and toes), 30+ sprains, 8 significant concussions. The old surgeries might well have done more long term damage than the injuries themselves. I'm old now and the time without pain is less than the time with. My brother in law is a former NBA trainer and my sister is a world class occupational therapist (Joe Montana was a patient when he was a player and she TURNED DOWN OWNERS BOX TICKETS OFFERED BY EDDIE D!), and they both say the same thing, that the procedures are much better and more consistent now and the failure to come back is often more related to training or mentality than the injury itself.

???

Hehe ... football, BMX, touring cycling, skiing, motorcycles, race tracks. The most gruesome injury was in a BMX race I got a handlebar through my cheek, but that was just soft tissue because my mouth was open. 40 stitches in my cheek and 20 in my gums. Maybe that or getting really bad road rash down my right side when a truck ran me off the road in a 100 mile road race in Sonoma ... spent 3 hours getting gravel and debris being picked out of my leg and arm.

Funny thing is the only problems I face day to day is I can't lay down for more than about 6 hours at a time without things starting to lock up, and a few fingers that hurt if you touch them in the wrong place. Everything else comes and goes.

Holy s**t lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Since07:
With nerve damage? People really chalking this up as a basic ACL I only see an ACL for Charles. AP, Gronk, and Hockenson tore both with no nerve damage. Only AP is really applicable considering the position. Pointing out Brady? Really?

Brady has to consistently move around and his legs are really important to throw with power. So yeah that s**t matters…he's the best player of all time.

I've seen conflicting reports with JC and what never damage for BA? Go look at Gronk's injury and his recovery. Kelce torn MCL and ACL in 2012. Toss in Chris Goodwin in 2021 and Courtland Sutton in 2020. My god did you see Nick Chubb's knee injury in college 🤮

Theres been plenty of players that have torn ACL/MCLs between college and NFL that have recovered and played at a high level

Get out of here trying to compare the impact of that kind of injury with a qb to a wr. Not the same at all Chubb didn't tear his ACL in college, Kelce, Gronk, and Sutton are big body go up and get it players. Godwin might be the only applicable comparison if he's known for route running don't know much about him

Bro is still yapping on his YT account.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Bro is still yapping on his YT account.

Does this guy even believe in himself? Think I remember teams reaching out to us for him but they were only willing to give pennies on the dollar so we turned it down. That was awhile ago odd he's still going on about it. I almost wonder if he's trying to force his way out without being too unprofessional

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Bro is still yapping on his YT account.

Does this guy even believe in himself? Think I remember teams reaching out to us for him but they were only willing to give pennies on the dollar so we turned it down. That was awhile ago odd he's still going on about it. I almost wonder if he's trying to force his way out without being too unprofessional

Seems like that's the goto for players unhappy with their current team nowadays. Be a distraction to the point where it's not worth it to keep them around anymore.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Bro is still yapping on his YT account.

Get well BA. Let's repeat that great 2023 season.

He's not talking about niner FO