🏆 SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS PREGAME THREAD - SUPER BOWL LIV 🏆

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

So? We had lots of players playing injured all year long.

MahomEXCUSES......

They're in the SB. Excuses can't being made either way.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Saloons for Niner fans

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just watched the KC vs Titan game. Just some observations. To stop the titan run game (king henry), KC had to go to a goal line formation. Otherwise even if they knew he was running the ball, he was still ripping 2 and three yard gains off the KC run defense.

KC has a mediocre run game, but a big portion of their run game is Pat Mahomes.

Finally, we are up against another Russel Midget type of QB that can scramble out of a pass rush. It's a good thing we have beat most of the off schedule QB's we've faced this year.

I think our run game can control the game. Titans were ahead 10 points but could not keep the lead because they couldn't convert 3rd downs through the air. We can.

We have to keep Mahomes on the sidelines, because it takes him a bit of time to warm up that offense of theirs. I think the cold weather has something to do with it at their home turf. Their WR's kept dropping balls or Pat overthrowing in the beginning of the game. That's how titans got the lead in the first place. Also titans defense was pretty good. However the titan defense got tired.

Pat scrambles at the end of the first half for a go ahead TD because the titan defense got tired after Mahomes converted a couple of third downs with his legs on that last KC drive in the first half.

Titans could not mount a comeback because they were unable to pass on that KC pass defense, but titans could move the ball with good play action passes. Titans had to abandon the run because they were behind and running out of time--- otherwise titans did have a lot of success on the ground.

I came away from that game feeling that we're facing Seadderall- all over again. Good that we beat those kinds of teams, bad that we cant make too many mistakes against KC or we will lose the game.

why the hell do people legit think Mahomes is as quick and elusive as Wilson?? Titans LBS are no where near as fast as ours and their d line other than Landry got no pressure on him. On that TD run that got everyone wet in their pants Titans looked like a peewee team trying to tackle the bigger kid that got held back multiple years. You can just see with the eye test that Mahomes is nowhere near the level of runner and elusiveness as Wilson, Jackson and Murray. Im sure Mahomes can run around on defenses with front 7's as slow as Houstons and Tennessee

I've seen the two Russel Midget games that we played against them, and a smattering of Seadderall games against other teams (Rams and Cardinals among others) and that's how their offense feels like. Fat Andy does a lot of speed stuff and that Brian Shottenheimer also does, so that's a bit similar. Tyreek Hill kind of reminds me a bit of DK Metcalf and Lockett (in terms of speed and elusiveness). So I think there are a lot of similarities between the Seadderal Style offense and the KC kind of offense. I don't think KC had the kind of run game that Seadderall has. Just by look and feel, I think Seadderall (when healthy) seem to have the more consistent ground game.

Titans are pretty near the bottom in terms of passing defense, and Dean Peas tried to put heat on Mahomes with blitzes and stunts, but yeah, Titans had no pass rush for the most part. The KC run game was non-existant **EXCEPT* for Mahomes, and he did put 50+ yards on the ground against the Titans so I include that in their ground yardage game and so that makes them (in my eyes) a bit more powerful in their ground game than what the KC stats say they are (i.e. pretty near the bottom in terms of ground offense).

Overall, I think we match up with them, but they are an explosive offensive team - very similar in my mind to the Seadderall team, and explosive in that you can't predict what Mahomes can do outside of the pocket while running away from defenders. He did a wrist flick on the run and the ball went almost 40+ yards for a TD, and that looked like a sidearm wrist flick. If Nick Mullens did that (for example) it would probably go 5 to 10 yards at most. Between Mahomes and Russel Midget, just by my raw eyes, I think Midget is the better QB. That Fat Andy offense really had some problems generating points against a pretty slow Titan defense. I like our defense against that KC offense, I think we can consistently put more pressure on them than the Titans did and keep them behind schedule on downs. However, I think if they make a mistake and get behind 14+ points, they still have the kind of offense than can score at the last moment, and we all know that with Midget, no lead is safe.

It's going to be a total team game to defeat them. Our offense to control the ball and score, and our defense to stall their offense a couple of drives - get a lead, and maintain it with good pass rush. But again, you can't have a lot of mistakes against KC, that offense will eventually eat you alive if you do. (just like in every Seadderall game we played this year)

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody posted that Colts video. Mahomes was in that game. The Colts are not exactly world beaters.

In and healthy are 2 different things.

The bigger thing wasn't that Mahomes wasn't making plays, the Colts ran the ball all over the Chiefs. They controlled the ball and took away chances for Mahomes to score.

It really is that simple.

I think the Niners rushing game is too varied to be shut down. You might successfully sell out to shut down Derrick Henry because you know what he's going to do. The Niners sometimes gash up the middle, frequently go outside with sharp cutbacks, do misdirection where the line goes one way and Juice leads the blocking another way, and Deebo has become a legit running threat on these reverses. What does it mean to sell out to stop the SF run game, because they get you a lot of different ways. And with Kittle and Juice, there is no way of knowing on any given play if their function is to block or catch passes. I don't think KC will be able to shut down our run. They couldn't last year, and we've gotten better at executing it with a better stable of backs.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Somebody posted that Colts video. Mahomes was in that game. The Colts are not exactly world beaters.

In and healthy are 2 different things.

Didn't he jack up his knee a couple games after that one though? Unless something else was going on I'm pretty sure he was fully healthy

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Somebody posted that Colts video. Mahomes was in that game. The Colts are not exactly world beaters.

In and healthy are 2 different things.

The bigger thing wasn't that Mahomes wasn't making plays, the Colts ran the ball all over the Chiefs. They controlled the ball and took away chances for Mahomes to score.

It really is that simple.

I think the Niners rushing game is too varied to be shut down. You might successfully sell out to shut down Derrick Henry because you know what he's going to do. The Niners sometimes gash up the middle, frequently go outside with sharp cutbacks, do misdirection where the line goes one way and Juice leads the blocking another way, and Deebo has become a legit running threat on these reverses. What does it mean to sell out to stop the SF run game, because they get you a lot of different ways. And with Kittle and Juice, there is no way of knowing on any given play if their function is to block or catch passes. I don't think KC will be able to shut down our run. They couldn't last year, and we've gotten better at executing it with a better stable of backs.

Yeah i would agree. Kc fans are super confident because they limited Henry but that is a completely different rush attack than the niners.

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I for one am glad the Chiefs fans are so goddamn arrogant and disrespectful. I look forward to the drinking those tears from an autographed Jerry Rice mini helmet in my den should we win. I see very few people in here acting like the Chiefs suck...if we lose, we lost to a damn good team. If they lose...apparently they lost to " trash that played nobody and doesn't even belong here" Hell I hope their team is just as full of their own s**t....It will be so great when we come out an punch them right square in the mouth.

Just looked at their forum to see what people are talking about, good lord what a collection of mean spirited ignorant people they have there lol. A whole lot of very negative comments about SF, the bay area, homophobic jokes, etc. Cant say I've ever seen worse on an oppposing team's site. If the Chiefs do manage to win this game I for one will be happy for Reid and all the long suffering Chiefs fans who are hopefully good people. But damn, if the niners win I will be extra satisfied because of the things I just read lol.

I will admit one thing, if it was against anybody else....I would be pulling for Andy. I genuinely like him and think he is a good coach and takes more blame than he has earned for his teams coming up short. He has his flaws sure, but if your team is executing clock management shouldn't come into play, if your QB is the stud he thinks he is, forgetting you have a run game shouldn't matter.

Surprised there aren't KC fans in here to tell us how scary they are.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
#48 is Fred Warner. He switched numbers this year. The tape is not useless. It's basically the same Chiefs offense against a significantly inferior version of our defense. The DC and 2/3 of the personnel were the same. What it illustrates, and what it highlights for the Super Bowl, is that Ford and Bosa need to have strong games (as they have most of this year) to lift the rest of the defense. Most notably different on offense is Deebo and Sanders, who have lifted our overall passing game a lot, though not as dramatically as Ford and Bosa on D. If we have good games from those four key players, and cut down on the penalties that killed us last year, then we should be able to flip the script and come out on top.

Warner is a vastly different player now than he was as a rookie in game 3.

Sherman is playing much better after recovering from his injury. Our safeties are different but yes the biggest difference are the additions at edge but Greenlaw and Kwon are also big time additions.

That Chiefs offense is scary regardless of who they play and their OL is very good at pass pro and Mahomes makes it even harder to bring him down due to his size and mobility. Our DL will have to play their asses off and our secondary better be on point too.

AGree. But Harold Landry was able to put heat on Mahomes in the first half and that succeeded in forcing at least two three and outs by KC. We have a much bigger, stronger and faster Harold Landry in Bosa and we have *several* pass rushers as good as Harold all along the line (Buckner, Arik, and Ford - and I'll put Solomon there too). On the back end, I think our DB's can do the job if our DLine can force him to throw quicker because of a good pass rush. Mahomes doesn't seem to be able to process the Blitzes as quick vs him running around back there waiting and looking for developing openings in the defense and seeing open receivers on a broken play.

If we can put heat on Mahomes on a consistent manner, I don't think that Fat Andy offense can go anywhere. Titans slow defense handled that Fat Andy offense for almost 3 quarters before their defense got tired and started to crumble against the speed of their WR's and Mahomes getting away from their rushers and blitzers.

On offense, I don't think KC has the horses to stop our runs and our multi-dimensional offense. I just don't think so. As somebody else said, we just don't' run Raheem Monster up the middle the way the Titans did with King Henry. We force you to defend the entire field.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Surprised there aren't KC fans in here to tell us how scary they are.

Too busy felating each other on their own boards.

Something to watch.

Was just reading an article about treating Mahomes like an RB once he leaves the pocket. It was actually pretty dang smart. Basically the gist was 15 yards or half the distance to the goal on the first series is worth every penny if it makes him think twice about taking off.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Something to watch.

Travis Kelce is sick today and won't practice. It's been going around the #chiefs

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) January 23, 2020

Same s**t happening to our opponents this postseason.....we sending in laced envelopes lol

If KC wants to load the box to stop our run game, like they did with TN to stop Henry, then Jim is going to shred them on PA.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Surprised there aren't KC fans in here to tell us how scary they are.

I guessing they'll start arriving Monday after they've listened to the talking heads all week.