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pasodoc9er · 2019-12-10T17:31:08-08:00

Much has been written about OL, DL, RBs, QBs, WRs(individually), LBs, TEs and coaches of all above. A search of "Wide receivers" came up empty. So if i missed it , mods please move to appropriate place. Meantime: We have spent good draft capital plus FA, trades, to bring top flite WRs here. To date the #1WR has seemed elusive...altho perhaps Kyle-ball may not necessarily need a #1. But looking at the TE position, it is obvious that a #1 TE (ok, George was all pro as a rook), but his contribution is massive. So sure it would be great to have such a talent at WR also. OTOH, maybe another TE of equal talent may be what the 9ers really need. The 3 TE looks we saw frequently against Ravens was impressive...and effective, too. So who knows. But, one thing noticeably different in last few games has been the "sudden" moves to get open that just were not there 7-8 games ago. Not sure when this took hold, (it obviously is being taught by WR coaching staff), but the in-out -in move has been on display as of late. Just watching a clip of Bourne in the EZ (in superrdome) where he ran his route, was covered, and then faked and baked to get open while JimmyG kept the play alive by dancing to his left. Sure enough, Bourne broke back toward mid EZ and JG put one up high where only Bourne could get it....we just haven't seen that in recent times. Perhaps WRs are mimicking kittle with the in-out-in moves of #85 plus all the other bakes and shakes he uses to get open. Sanders is good w/ good fakes, and Debo has been using fakes as part of his routes in recent games. Bourne is doing well wth fakes. 6-7 games ago we had more "banana" routes run by WRs which failed to get open ...no surprise there. Frankly we had some talented WRs but they just zoned out when it came to throwing in fakes. Now tho, it seems that our guys have suddenly gotten religion, and are starting to make fakes part of their routes. I don't know why now, nor do i care. But seeing those fakes, good kittle type fakes, is becoming the routine rather than the rarity on WR routes. And as we have seen, the WR are now getting open way more than before. Previously kyle may have worked more on scheme to get open but no reason our WRs couldn't have a fake or two as part of their routes. Kyle has said, "just run the route and you will be open". Most of the time that has happpened. But adding the good fakes also, just increases the chance of a WR getting open. Which brings us to RZ and WRs. I assumed we would once again have problem with RZ this yr. . But nope...kyle came up with a better answer. Score early and often from 20, 30 , 35 yards out as well as inside the 10. The dreaded RZ = no TD myth has crashed and burned. Kyle fixed that by scoring from anywhere on the field , making actual RZ scoring just one of many ways we score. Obvious...but still... Pretty clever. And WRs making good fakes on routes has had a good part to do wth that also.

Jun 24, 2020 at 8:45 AM

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Hoovtrain
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Bet TO could still do work in our offense.

Riiight

Jun 24, 2020 at 12:17 PM

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richterkbelmont
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Only retarded idiots think this WRs will be weak if they stay healthy

Jun 24, 2020 at 1:44 PM

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qnnhan7
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Is KB the most seasoned of the group lol

Jun 24, 2020 at 4:22 PM

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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Bet TO could still do work in our offense.

I'd rather have the clap.

Jun 24, 2020 at 5:37 PM

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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Bet TO could still do work in our offense.

I'd rather have the clap.

TO really hurt you that bad huh?

2nd GOAT.

Jun 24, 2020 at 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by walker807:
If you dont think Deebo has #1 WR material written all over him then I dont know what to tell you. Clearly this was a rebuilding team and as such all our recievers are young. No duh they're unknown. The investment has been made though. You mad they didnt trade for OBJ or sign Antonio? lol

Deebo made more of an impact with his feet than his hands last season. Taylor an hurd are on ambulance watch. That leaves who exactly? Pettis? James? Kendrick b is our go to guy. Wanna know why we run 200 yards a game? Look no further.

Jun 24, 2020 at 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by walker807:
If you dont think Deebo has #1 WR material written all over him then I dont know what to tell you. Clearly this was a rebuilding team and as such all our recievers are young. No duh they're unknown. The investment has been made though. You mad they didnt trade for OBJ or sign Antonio? lol

Deebo made more of an impact with his feet than his hands last season. Taylor an hurd are on ambulance watch. That leaves who exactly? Pettis? James? Kendrick b is our go to guy. Wanna know why we run 200 yards a game? Look no further.

800 receiving yds as a rookie in a run first offense and complex as this one isn't anything to ignore.

Jun 24, 2020 at 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by walker807:
If you dont think Deebo has #1 WR material written all over him then I dont know what to tell you. Clearly this was a rebuilding team and as such all our recievers are young. No duh they're unknown. The investment has been made though. You mad they didnt trade for OBJ or sign Antonio? lol

Deebo made more of an impact with his feet than his hands last season. Taylor an hurd are on ambulance watch. That leaves who exactly? Pettis? James? Kendrick b is our go to guy. Wanna know why we run 200 yards a game? Look no further.

Jerry Rice -GOAT rookie year
16 4 49 927 18.9 66 3/ 6 26 4.3 15 1
Deebo Samuel rookie year
15 11 57 802 14.1 42T 3/ 14 159 11.4 31 3

Haha-You really need to chill Bro-you would out Walsh and said his first round pick was a failure/bust, especially since he fumbled to much.

Study your football-most rookies if they are good have these numbers.

As for the rest of the team, there are a lot of questions, mostly due to health, but if healthy, I like our staff. We run 200+ yards a game because they are good at it. Period. Otherwise play action don't work. When we got shut down during the regular season and when they had to even when they couldn't get the run game going, they passed, shootouts-they passed, but I guess you didn't see all the games and only looked at the scorecard?

James ain't making the team, Pettis hoping a sophomore jinx type of year and he breaks out of it. Aiyuk will be like Deebo, but more explosive. Trent and Hurd-again if they get over the injury bug-then they will be better than solid.

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:02 PM

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Dupe

[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM ]

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by WildBill:
Jerry Rice -GOAT rookie year
16 4 49 927 18.9 66 3/ 6 26 4.3 15 1
Deebo Samuel rookie year
15 11 57 802 14.1 42T 3/ 14 159 11.4 31 3

Haha-You really need to chill Bro-you would out Walsh and said his first round pick was a failure/bust, especially since he fumbled to much.

Study your football-most rookies if they are good have these numbers.

As for the rest of the team, there are a lot of questions, mostly due to health, but if healthy, I like our staff. We run 200+ yards a game because they are good at it. Period. Otherwise play action don't work. When we got shut down during the regular season and when they had to even when they couldn't get the run game going, they passed, shootouts-they passed, but I guess you didn't see all the games and only looked at the scorecard?

James ain't making the team, Pettis hoping a sophomore jinx type of year and he breaks out of it. Aiyuk will be like Deebo, but more explosive. Trent and Hurd-again if they get over the injury bug-then they will be better than solid.

Ok. You are comparing deebo to jerry. Now who is inadvertantly causing laughter.

First you are comparing stats 35 years apart. Teams played actual bump and run defense back then. So please stop.

I like deebs. And he had a really productive year. But its obvious jerry is infinitely more natural and gifted as a downfield reciever. So please stop with stats.

Deebs will help us out IF he stops stepping in potholes. Hes growing into a lead role. But i dont see him making a living 20 30 yards downfield. Thats why we got aiyuk. A juco guy who had one marquee year in the pac 12. Some things could work out with our guys but it will be a process.

We need reinforcements.

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:30 PM

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So deebo sucks now?

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:37 PM

#237

brodiebluebanaszak
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No one said that. Whocsaid that? It would be as silly as implying he is like jerry.

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:38 PM

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This is comical

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by walker807:
If you dont think Deebo has #1 WR material written all over him then I dont know what to tell you. Clearly this was a rebuilding team and as such all our recievers are young. No duh they're unknown. The investment has been made though. You mad they didnt trade for OBJ or sign Antonio? lol

Deebo made more of an impact with his feet than his hands last season. Taylor an hurd are on ambulance watch. That leaves who exactly? Pettis? James? Kendrick b is our go to guy. Wanna know why we run 200 yards a game? Look no further.
800 receiving yds as a rookie in a run first offense and complex as this one isn't anything to ignore.

Lol exactly . In Brodie's defense he admittedly did not watch games last year, but would then would start threads railing on how someone played the next day

[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:41 PM ]

Jun 24, 2020 at 7:45 PM

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You'll move the chains with Deebo, Aiyuk, Taylor and Bourne.
Then we get to the redzone, an area where we royally struggle. Our offense was the second higuest scoring and 4th in yards, but only converted 51% trips to the redzone to TD. Imagine changing that? Add the big boys, at this area YAC doesn't mean much. You put Hurd, Bourne, Jennings and Kittle. Physical and big bodies, somebody will be somehow open and jump for that TD.
Deebo, Aiyuk, Taylor, Bourne, Hurd and Jennings. Those are six receivers. We need a 7th specially to fill for Deebo. Dante Pettis could have a chance to redeem himself, Richie James if he heals quickly, or Benjamin for a veteran presence. I'd add a surprise addition of Josh Gordon for a vets minimum as a possibility.

And I know some clueless clowns will say: "Those receivers don't scare anybody". That's fine, let teams not be scared of them and stack the box to focus on the run. That's what Kyle wants. When healthy, and if each of these guys do their job, they can torch every defense. Don't need superstars at the WR position. They are a luxury, not a need.