Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
If we lose DJ our defense immediately takes a decent step back IMO.

I wish we could get rid of MM or Ward instead :/

It could take a big step back. DJ made so many impact plays this season. The dude is just really good in every aspect of DL. I love the contrast in the first snap on this trap play vs PHI. Kinlaw is completely lost; DJ sniffs it out immediately.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Not too worried about Jones, considering we have Arik. Arik and Bosa are a good combo, and Kinlaw *might* be better than DJ Jones. We do have Givens as a DT on the team. If Jimmy's cap hit can be traded away, I'm confident we can get DJ JOnes because the new contract cap hits for Bosa and Deebo won't hit until 2024, and by then the cap (per AB81) should be going up as we're getting out of this covid situation now.

Kinlaw might be better than DJ Jones someday, but right now, it's not close. DJ Jones is a significantly better player against the run AND a pass rusher. DJ simply doesn't get the opportunities to rush the QB on money downs because he wasn't the 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft. But even in base on limited rush reps, DJ has consistently shown he's much better than Kinlaw in every aspect.

If we lose DJ our defense immediately takes a decent step back IMO.

I wish we could get rid of MM or Ward instead :/

I think they will go all out to keep DJ Jones, and if they do, they have to get rid of Jimmy's cap hit. DJ Jones has been in Kocurek's defense for the last couple of years, and if the 49ers are excited about a healthy Kinlaw, then he might be as good or better than DJ in a year or two. Knowing that ShanaLynch wants to dominate with the DLine, I'm pretty confident they keep DJ Jones, or at least make Seadderall expend a ton of cap space signing DJ Jones. While Kinlaw is an unknown, so was DJ Jones prior to being a star. He was injured a lot as a young players and this year was one of the years where he really put a healthy year together. Kinlaw has similar injury profile to DJ Jones, and I hope he's going to turn it around - healthwise - the way DJ jones did it this last year.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
If we lose DJ our defense immediately takes a decent step back IMO.

I wish we could get rid of MM or Ward instead :/

It could take a big step back. DJ made so many impact plays this season. The dude is just really good in every aspect of DL. I love the contrast in the first snap on this trap play vs PHI. Kinlaw is completely lost; DJ sniffs it out immediately.

Can we trade Kinlaw for DJ? LOL

The way Lynch spoke it sounds like Dj is gone.

But I believe they are OK with that seeing how well arik played inside (to nobody's surprise except the coaches lol??!)

if kinlaw is actually healthy and plays our starting line will be solid. We need to add an edge tho.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Not too worried about Jones, considering we have Arik. Arik and Bosa are a good combo, and Kinlaw *might* be better than DJ Jones. We do have Givens as a DT on the team. If Jimmy's cap hit can be traded away, I'm confident we can get DJ JOnes because the new contract cap hits for Bosa and Deebo won't hit until 2024, and by then the cap (per AB81) should be going up as we're getting out of this covid situation now.

Kinlaw might be better than DJ Jones someday, but right now, it's not close. DJ Jones is a significantly better player against the run AND a pass rusher. DJ simply doesn't get the opportunities to rush the QB on money downs because he wasn't the 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft. But even in base on limited rush reps, DJ has consistently shown he's much better than Kinlaw in every aspect.

Well, I think you have to factor Kocurek on the potential of Kinlaw. Kocurek turned a couple of journeymen DLinemen into looking like almost all pros. So, I think - to a certain extent - pairing Kinlaw with Kocurek the success for Kinlaw is a given. Sort of like Kyle with RB's, in a sense.

As for DJ Jones, I really think we can keep him if we can trade Jimmy. I think DJ's been stellar, but he's also one player that had some injuries during the beginning of his career like Kinlaw. My fear (and it's to every player you give a big contract to) is that he's given a billion dollars to play on the 49ers and game one he has a season ending injury.

We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

We are getting conp picks, higher than the drafted round.

Also, Kerry Hyder has been released

I was hope we draft a pass rusher with our first pick and not a CB.

Pass Rusher
O-Line
DT
Safety
CB
WR

Jordan Willis still with us? I can't keep track 😫

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

Losing DJ Jones really hurts. But I don't think it could have been avoided if Jimmy's cap hit wasn't eliminated. Unfortunately Jimmy had shoulder injury and nobody was able to give the 49ers what they wanted, hence we lost DJ.

But yes -- no you are not missing anything -- we have to keep drafting Defensive Linemen because they age or we can't afford them. Teams that rely on free agency for the core of their team suffer the consequences of cap hell. Witness the Lambs and Seadderall now. Despite free agency and the cap, the draft is the best way to reconstitute and renew your team. When we lost Wendell Tyler to retirement, we got Roger Craig and Tom Rathman, when we lost Fred Dean, we got Haley. When we finally got rid of Blubber Paris, we got Harris Barton, We lost John Frank and got Brent Jones. The list goes on. The 49ers - during the dynasty years - drafted very well as compared to the rest of the NFL, that is why they were considered a dynasty team. The current Rams will never be a dynasty, most likely just another Seadderall - one shot flash in the pan kind of team, then fade into obscurity.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

We are getting conp picks, higher than the drafted round.

Also, Kerry Hyder has been released

Bring Hyder back and i feel comfortable we have upgraded our pass rush this year. Not elite like adding chandler jones but good enough

We can then focus on shoring up IOL with our early draft pick

If we have a shot at a quality C/G we need one

A trade up using our 2 + 3 for C Tyler Linderbaum might be a good idea if he falls to the second round

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

We are getting conp picks, higher than the drafted round.

Also, Kerry Hyder has been released

Bring Hyder back and i feel comfortable we have upgraded our pass rush this year. Not elite like adding chandler jones but good enough

We can then focus on shoring up IOL with our early draft pick

If we have a shot at a quality C/G we need one

A trade up using our 2 + 3 for C Tyler Linderbaum might be a good idea if he falls to the second round

Like bringing Hyder back and really like the Linderbaum idea. And we do have another rd 3 pick, no?

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We drafted all of those DL players only to let them walk so that we constantly have to draft D-linemen?

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?

We are getting conp picks, higher than the drafted round.

Also, Kerry Hyder has been released

Bring Hyder back and i feel comfortable we have upgraded our pass rush this year. Not elite like adding chandler jones but good enough

We can then focus on shoring up IOL with our early draft pick

If we have a shot at a quality C/G we need one

A trade up using our 2 + 3 for C Tyler Linderbaum might be a good idea if he falls to the second round

Im as greedy as the 49ers have been on Dline.

I THINK we have Bosa, AA, Kinlaw, Ebukam, Givens, Hurst, Omenihu, and Ridgeway under contract. Hoping we sign Hyder and Willis. Perhaps Ebukam and Hyder are redundant but they likely can get Hyder for cheap. If they had both guys, I'd still want that speed edge rusher, but the addition of Hyder would mean they can go all in on Oline, corner, and safety on day 2 of the draft.

People may not like the moves but I think we have set ourselves up for landing a guy like Linderbaum or another coveted Oline.

Many feel we are further away than we really are. I think we left a lot of yards and TDs on the field. We have the weapons to be a top 5 offense. Hoping that pass protecting Olineman that can run block in our system so that Trey can have potentially 5 pass targets on any play. If we can do that, others can sign whoever they want- we'd be in position to score with them. No team is stopping Kittle used as a pass catcher, Aiyuk, Deebo, along with stopping our run game over 4 quarters.

Kinlaw plays such high pad level. Him trying to replace DJ won't be easy

Originally posted by lamontb:
Kinlaw plays such high pad level. Him trying to replace DJ won't be easy

Kocureck liking him should be almost a guarantee that he'll be an excellent player. P.S. on Kerry Hyder, he parlayed that one year with Kocureck into a 6 million dollar contract payday. The problem is he's 30 vs a guy like Arden Kye who's 25.