Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I'm going to tell you again - stop spreading unfounded stuff like this or post something to back this up.

Your personal beliefs are not proof of something like that happening. And saying it over and over around here is more spam than anything leading to serious conversations.

Not even going to ask you to bring up the "questionable playcalling" that lost us those leads since I'm positive you'd bring nothing but box score stuff.

I can post my opinion all I want. That's the point of a message board isn't it?

it's your opinion that Brady wasn't brought in because he couldn't co-exist with Shanahan. So it's ok for you to post your opinion but I can't?

My opinion isn't based on some irrational logic. It's based on the fact that it's common knowledge that Shanahan didn't even scout Mahomes because he was waiting for Cousins the next year. He has said he doesn't want a QB to go off script, Run the play as called.

How many times have you seen any of our QB audible out of plays? I have never seen Garrapolo or Purdy audible ever. Then watch Brady. He basically calls his owns plays. IMO there's no way Shanahan would have allowed Brady to play the way Brady has always played.

As for his play calling, it's clear as day. His play calling was directly responsible for ATL losing vs NE. All he had to do was run the ball 3 times to run the clock out yet he calls 3 passes giving the ball back to Brady.

He did that with us too in each SB. There were multiple drives in both games where all he had to do was NOT OVERTHINK it and the game MIGHT have had a different outcome OR not call a conservative set of plays which led to a punt giving the ball back to KC stressing our D.

I've read your posts. You criticize everyone BUT Shanahan without any logical reason. So you can post your opinion about him but no-one else can. Point taken.

Insulting my take on football saying I would only post "box score stuff" is absurd. I've played, watched and followed football for nearly 35 years. I've tried to stay neutral with this staff but I'm tiring of their mistakes and blunders. You insulting me and saying whatever you want because you're a moderator IS NOT THE WAY A MESSAGE BOARD SHOULD BE RAN.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
I haven't followed the convo but idk if Sask was actually claiming it as facts just how he felt it went down. Don't think anyone reading a random post is actually going to believe that to be true. I was grilling Deebo quitting on us with Ayuik down but he might have been pushed out seeing how many players we've cut and lost. Again Idk how far Sask has gone with it but a warning seems harsh maybe he could have worded it better.

As far as your last question I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Are you saying it's Shannahan/Saleh/Wilks fault we didn't maintain the lead? It's Andy Reid and Mahomes we are talking about they can storm back at any given time we've seen it time and time again. That last one Shannahan blew that OT and Wilks wasn't really that good of a DC to begin with. 1st one refs just let the chiefs hold our DL the whole game

How was that not a clear question? How many TD drives did they have in the regulation that wasn't a result of us handing them the ball in our redzone on a muffed punt?

Why didn't Andy and Mahomes storm before that?

Coaches don't get the luxury of hindsight that so many here like to use to make coaching evaluations. Why didn't Andy and Mahomes storm back vs the Eagles? Was it because the Eagles D and Fangio didn't allow it to happen?

Andy and Mahomes aren't magic…certainly not when the refs are actually flagging their OL for holding.

The decision to take the ball first had just as much sense as kicking it off. That's why the analytics are split virtually down the middle on which way to go. And based on the info from that game, from that season taking the ball first made sense. It allowed the defense who had been on the field a lot in the 4th to rest and had Burford done his job vs freelancing they score a TD on the call Kyle sent in. If that happens maybe even Wilks calls things differently and we actually get the stop or assuming KC goes for 2 like they claimed they would maybe we stop them there.

All I know is looking at that game I saw Kyle doing his job, it wasn't perfect but from the two offensive minded HCs he had the much tougher go of it vs Spags and that KC defense.

Wilks pretty much rolled out the red carpet for Mahomes on that OT drive. It was infuriating to watch. Totally handicapped our own players with what he called.

If they are not magic they are the next thing to it they've won 4 super bowls and had 6 appearances in what 8 years? It sounds like you're answering your own question you do make a couple fair points taking the ball to let our defense rest. Remember Mahomes all giddy telling his teammates "they want the ball" none the less taking the ball then settling for a field goal giving Andy Reid and Mahomes the ball back against Wilks was beyond moronic. I guess I don't know what point you're trying to make here

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I'm going to tell you again - stop spreading unfounded stuff like this or post something to back this up.

Your personal beliefs are not proof of something like that happening. And saying it over and over around here is more spam than anything leading to serious conversations.

Not even going to ask you to bring up the "questionable playcalling" that lost us those leads since I'm positive you'd bring nothing but box score stuff.

I can post my opinion all I want. That's the point of a message board isn't it?

it's your opinion that Brady wasn't brought in because he couldn't co-exist with Shanahan. So it's ok for you to post your opinion but I can't?

My opinion isn't based on some irrational logic. It's based on the fact that it's common knowledge that Shanahan didn't even scout Mahomes because he was waiting for Cousins the next year. He has said he doesn't want a QB to go off script, Run the play as called.

How many times have you seen any of our QB audible out of plays? I have never seen Garrapolo or Purdy audible ever. Then watch Brady. He basically calls his owns plays. IMO there's no way Shanahan would have allowed Brady to play the way Brady has always played.

As for his play calling, it's clear as day. His play calling was directly responsible for ATL losing vs NE. All he had to do was run the ball 3 times to run the clock out yet he calls 3 passes giving the ball back to Brady.

He did that with us too in each SB. There were multiple drives in both games where all he had to do was NOT OVERTHINK it and the game MIGHT have had a different outcome OR not call a conservative set of plays which led to a punt giving the ball back to KC stressing our D.

I've read your posts. You criticize everyone BUT Shanahan without any logical reason. So you can post your opinion about him but no-one else can. Point taken.

Insulting my take on football saying I would only post "box score stuff" is absurd. I've played, watched and followed football for nearly 35 years. I've tried to stay neutral with this staff but I'm tiring of their mistakes and blunders. You insulting me and saying whatever you want because you're a moderator IS NOT THE WAY A MESSAGE BOARD SHOULD BE RAN.

I agree, I'd take it easy we are all 9er fans here. It should be a mods job to make sure misinformation isn't spread and would warrant a warning if it was constantly blatant and egregious. Seemed like you were giving your opinion. As long as there is no name calling or disrespect towards others that's all that should really matter

Originally posted by Since07:
If they are not magic they are the next thing to it they've won 4 super bowls and had 6 appearances in what 8 years? It sounds like you're answering your own question you do make a couple fair points taking the ball to let our defense rest. Remember Mahomes all giddy telling his teammates "they want the ball" none the less taking the ball then settling for a field goal giving Andy Reid and Mahomes the ball back against Wilks was beyond moronic. I guess I don't know what point you're trying to make here

What do you expect them to say? It's his job to inspire confidence in his team, I'd expect our QB to say the same thing in that situation.

In the end it's about execution. If Burford blocks Jones it's a TD and then we see what happens. Hell if we stop them on 4th down with the FG lead how do you think that clip looks? I doubt NFL even releases it.

And the point was obvious. KC hadn't scored a TD in 6 quarters of football with Mahomes and Reid. They were middle of the road offense all year long. Let's stop pretending it was the 2019 offense out there.

In the end it doesn't even make a difference. You score and stop KC from scoring. That's the goal either way. We believe that KC would go for 2 points if we matched TDs but think they won't have gone for it on 4th down if they got the ball first and we forced them into 4 down territory?

So what are complaining about? The only complaint that would've been valid if we took the ball first and got into 4th down out of FG range and punted.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I'm going to tell you again - stop spreading unfounded stuff like this or post something to back this up.

Your personal beliefs are not proof of something like that happening. And saying it over and over around here is more spam than anything leading to serious conversations.

Not even going to ask you to bring up the "questionable playcalling" that lost us those leads since I'm positive you'd bring nothing but box score stuff.

I can post my opinion all I want. That's the point of a message board isn't it?

it's your opinion that Brady wasn't brought in because he couldn't co-exist with Shanahan. So it's ok for you to post your opinion but I can't?

My opinion isn't based on some irrational logic. It's based on the fact that it's common knowledge that Shanahan didn't even scout Mahomes because he was waiting for Cousins the next year. He has said he doesn't want a QB to go off script, Run the play as called.

How many times have you seen any of our QB audible out of plays? I have never seen Garrapolo or Purdy audible ever. Then watch Brady. He basically calls his owns plays. IMO there's no way Shanahan would have allowed Brady to play the way Brady has always played.

As for his play calling, it's clear as day. His play calling was directly responsible for ATL losing vs NE. All he had to do was run the ball 3 times to run the clock out yet he calls 3 passes giving the ball back to Brady.

He did that with us too in each SB. There were multiple drives in both games where all he had to do was NOT OVERTHINK it and the game MIGHT have had a different outcome OR not call a conservative set of plays which led to a punt giving the ball back to KC stressing our D.

I've read your posts. You criticize everyone BUT Shanahan without any logical reason. So you can post your opinion about him but no-one else can. Point taken.

Insulting my take on football saying I would only post "box score stuff" is absurd. I've played, watched and followed football for nearly 35 years. I've tried to stay neutral with this staff but I'm tiring of their mistakes and blunders. You insulting me and saying whatever you want because you're a moderator IS NOT THE WAY A MESSAGE BOARD SHOULD BE RAN.

You didn't post an opinion. Go read your own post.

And I'm sorry you feel insulted but I'm just going off your posts. You can't even bother to proof what you're posting and have no issue posting your opinion like it's a factual thing.

Even little things like claiming Kyle had the Falcons pass the ball 3 times instead of running. Thats not what happened.

They ran on the first down and lost a yard.
The call he regrets the most happened on 2nd down and Matt Ryan, the league MVP made a bad play worse by taking a big sack vs running with it or just dumping the ball off.
Third and long they got a holding penalty
third and forever they threw it but short of the sticks by a lot. They punted.

Guess what? They were still up by 8 points then. Yet to you Shanahan's playcalling lost it. Let's forget the pass plays that Kyle called earlier on that drive that got them 39 and 27 yards…those passes were called by someone else right?

This is why it's hard to take this stuff seriously. There is more to that game than just a 2nd down call. That doesn't lose you a SB and the blame going on the offensive coordinator for a 28-3 blown lead is just nuts.

I asked you to provide me actual plays, somehow with the Falcons you were specific but with your own team it's "don't overthink it" and "don't call it conservative"

Show me the actual plays. I've been wrong plenty of times and I have no problem eating crow and saying it. Maybe I forgot something. From what I recall the plays were there to be made. In 2019 Jimmy missed them or Chris Jones knocked the ball down.

In 2023 I've talked about it so many times and if you cared enough to look you'd see I gave him blame where it was due - specifically running the offense through Deebo once KC moved to press coverage and we should've pivoted to featuring Aiyuk and JJ(seemed like Kittle was very limited with his shoulder)

But I still take issue with people making over the top statements like HE blew the lead, especially this last SB.

And lastly me being a moderator has nothing to do with this. I've had interactions like this since that SB long before I became a moderator and you know very well I've never given you any infraction so stop playing that card.

Maybe next time give your "opinion" like an actual opinion, the words "in my opinion" help avoid any confusion.

Originally posted by Since07:
I agree, I'd take it easy we are all 9er fans here. It should be a mods job to make sure misinformation isn't spread and would warrant a warning if it was constantly blatant and egregious. Seemed like you were giving your opinion. As long as there is no name calling or disrespect towards others that's all that should really matter

Where is the opinion here?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

Originally posted by genus49:
Where is the opinion here?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I posted why I believe that a few messages up. Go read it and why that's my opinion .

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
If they are not magic they are the next thing to it they've won 4 super bowls and had 6 appearances in what 8 years? It sounds like you're answering your own question you do make a couple fair points taking the ball to let our defense rest. Remember Mahomes all giddy telling his teammates "they want the ball" none the less taking the ball then settling for a field goal giving Andy Reid and Mahomes the ball back against Wilks was beyond moronic. I guess I don't know what point you're trying to make here

What do you expect them to say? It's his job to inspire confidence in his team, I'd expect our QB to say the same thing in that situation.

In the end it's about execution. If Burford blocks Jones it's a TD and then we see what happens. Hell if we stop them on 4th down with the FG lead how do you think that clip looks? I doubt NFL even releases it.

And the point was obvious. KC hadn't scored a TD in 6 quarters of football with Mahomes and Reid. They were middle of the road offense all year long. Let's stop pretending it was the 2019 offense out there.

In the end it doesn't even make a difference. You score and stop KC from scoring. That's the goal either way. We believe that KC would go for 2 points if we matched TDs but think they won't have gone for it on 4th down if they got the ball first and we forced them into 4 down territory?

So what are complaining about? The only complaint that would've been valid if we took the ball first and got into 4th down out of FG range and punted.

I still don't know what your point is maybe it's over my head. 2023 offensive was stacked but that 2019 DL was legendary it's right next to the 2012 DL that only gave up 1 td run for the season against Marshawn Lynch in his prime.

Who are you blaming for the Super Bowl losses exactly? We were in hands reach for sure and there was some real questionable calls. I'm just confused on you pointing out those loses maybe I'm missing context

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
I agree, I'd take it easy we are all 9er fans here. It should be a mods job to make sure misinformation isn't spread and would warrant a warning if it was constantly blatant and egregious. Seemed like you were giving your opinion. As long as there is no name calling or disrespect towards others that's all that should really matter

Where is the opinion here?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

Dude… You are taking that statement way too seriously, not everyone is going to be rainbows and sunshine right now. You speak well make valid points but you are stepping on peoples necks when they vent or have a "negative opinion"

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
I agree, I'd take it easy we are all 9er fans here. It should be a mods job to make sure misinformation isn't spread and would warrant a warning if it was constantly blatant and egregious. Seemed like you were giving your opinion. As long as there is no name calling or disrespect towards others that's all that should really matter

Where is the opinion here?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

Dude… You are taking that statement way too seriously, not everyone is going to be rainbows and sunshine right now. You speak well make valid points but you are stepping on peoples necks when they vent or have a "negative opinion"

An opinion needs to be based on something factual or it becomes a bad opinion.

There was nothing that came out from either side to indicate the reason the 49ers didn't make the move is because of Kyle's ego.

There is very rational and logical reasons why the move wasn't made - Tom Brady being 43, Jimmy playing a full season that resulted in us going to the SB.

You can pretend I'm being too literal but when someone makes a post with no mention of opinion it comes off like they're stating a fact. Like I said…add "in my opinion/imo" so there is no confusion.

I've seen that take before around here and I don't recall if it's the same guy but when things are said like they're factual and not like a fan opinion sometimes people forget what happens and it starts to run as the truth. I've seen it happen here before.

i get people being down on the team right now. All I ask is people don't come down on the team by making things up that didn't happen and if you want to make a theory then paint it like that.

Originally posted by Since07:
I still don't know what your point is maybe it's over my head. 2023 offensive was stacked but that 2019 DL was legendary it's right next to the 2012 DL that only gave up 1 td run for the season against Marshawn Lynch in his prime.

Who are you blaming for the Super Bowl losses exactly? We were in hands reach for sure and there was some real questionable calls. I'm just confused on you pointing out those loses maybe I'm missing context

I feel like we've taken enough away from the DL thread already. All these conversations have taken place many times over in the Shanahan thread.

Sam and Evan were big finds last year but we better hope we draft well enough that those guys are backups.

Originally posted by genus49:
Sam and Evan were big finds last year but we better hope we draft well enough that those guys are backups.

Solid finds for sure. Excited to see how they develop

Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Solid finds for sure. Excited to see how they develop

Whoever found Sam O deserves a lot of credit. He's a very solid player and exactly the type of end you'd want on the 2nd or 3rd rotating lines.

That said, if he's actually starting, the 49ers are in trouble.