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  • 91til
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 91til:
You look at a schedule and see 6-10, I look at the schedule and see 10-6.

Neither of us knows what's going to happen. But for some reason you're right and I'm hopeless romantic. Lol

10-6 is baseless. 6-10 is based on the last two years and current talent level and inexperienced coaching.

Might as well say 16-0. f**k it!

If you think about it, our W-L record the last two years has way less bearing on our eventual W-L record in the future than you suggest. You know how many mathematical variables are in every single football play and game.
Current talent level is a guess that each of us is making based on everything we know. People estimate and prognosticate differently.
  • 91til
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 91til:
Lol. The negative ones think anyone positive is overhype so. But some people are just always negative and so will always be behind. We could go 12-4 this year and they won't enjoy it until it's over or actually they'd be nitpicking and complaining the whole way. I honestly wonder how some people can even enjoy the game (or anything in life for that matter) when they're constantly negative

Hey everyone, let's make this thread about 91til. LOL.

Anyway, back to the topic.
He's right though. It's the same bunch of guys always with this kind of b******t.

What does ANY of that have to do with this thread? LOL. It's just Homer's hating on pessimists. Big deal. Welcome to the balance of opinion.


That what happens on this board—the homers hate on the pessimists?
Originally posted by 91til:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 91til:
Lol. The negative ones think anyone positive is overhype so. But some people are just always negative and so will always be behind. We could go 12-4 this year and they won't enjoy it until it's over or actually they'd be nitpicking and complaining the whole way. I honestly wonder how some people can even enjoy the game (or anything in life for that matter) when they're constantly negative

Hey everyone, let's make this thread about 91til. LOL.

Anyway, back to the topic.
He's right though. It's the same bunch of guys always with this kind of b******t.

What does ANY of that have to do with this thread? LOL. It's just Homer's hating on pessimists. Big deal. Welcome to the balance of opinion.


That what happens on this board—the homers hate on the pessimists?

Haha. It certainly goes both ways. It just didn't seem to have anything to do with the thread and you were just venting about fans in here that aren't always rainbows and unicorns.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 2, 2019 at 4:27 PM ]
  • 91til
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 91til:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 91til:
Lol. The negative ones think anyone positive is overhype so. But some people are just always negative and so will always be behind. We could go 12-4 this year and they won't enjoy it until it's over or actually they'd be nitpicking and complaining the whole way. I honestly wonder how some people can even enjoy the game (or anything in life for that matter) when they're constantly negative

Hey everyone, let's make this thread about 91til. LOL.

Anyway, back to the topic.
He's right though. It's the same bunch of guys always with this kind of b******t.

What does ANY of that have to do with this thread? LOL. It's just Homer's hating on pessimists. Big deal. Welcome to the balance of opinion.


That what happens on this board—the homers hate on the pessimists?

Haha. It certainly goes both ways. It just didn't seem to have anything to do with the thread and you were just venting about fans in here that aren't always rainbows and unicorns.

Yeah, in retrospect I was venting. It just gets annoying how those that are more pessimistic often have this attitude that anyone more hopeful is somehow dumb. We are all sitting around prognosticating a game with literally hundreds of thousands of variables. Just because I envision us winning a couple more games than the next guy doesn't mean I'm any less informed. I thought that was what we all wanted to see: the 49ers winning games.

To try and come back to topic, the whole idea of "hype" generally seems to bother fans much more than the actual team. I can tell this team is hungry. John and Kyle in their third year, Jimmy after the injury, all the way to the young DBs everyone's worried about. I think they're a really cohesive and hungry team with most of the right pieces now. That's what I think, and we all know the talking heads—or however we're defining "hype"—can't tell the future any better than we can
Originally posted by 91til:
Yeah, in retrospect I was venting. It just gets annoying how those that are more pessimistic often have this attitude that anyone more hopeful is somehow dumb. We are all sitting around prognosticating a game with literally hundreds of thousands of variables. Just because I envision us winning a couple more games than the next guy doesn't mean I'm any less informed. I thought that was what we all wanted to see: the 49ers winning games.

To try and come back to topic, the whole idea of "hype" generally seems to bother fans much more than the actual team. I can tell this team is hungry. John and Kyle in their third year, Jimmy after the injury, all the way to the young DBs everyone's worried about. I think they're a really cohesive and hungry team with most of the right pieces now. That's what I think, and we all know the talking heads—or however we're defining "hype"—can't tell the future any better than we can

All good my friend. I completely understand. I get it. Fully.

Yeah, as to the topic, you're so right. There are a million variables that come in to play every year. We've learned that the Seattle win had zero momentum to the next game let alone this upcoming season. We've seen extremes from worst to first, from healthiest to least, a new FQB emerges while another falls off a cliff.

If you guessed 12 wins, that could end up being as valid as someone who said 4.

Just make sure to note it in the PYMWYMI thread so you get full credit later!
I didn't know we were hyped up at all?

Seriously this team has more questions to be answered than to be hyped up. We're still another draft and offseason from really being considered a playoff caliber team.
This is fake news.
if this team stays healthy i think Mullins can take it to 8-8 even loosing a few toss up games late in the 4th.

I can clearly see this team getting to 10 wins if the team can stay healthy.

hell if the 49ers get lucky and have another break out star on the team i can see them as a legit playoff team THIS YEAR.
19-0!
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
19-0!

20-0. We'll play an extra game against the NCAA champs.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 91til:
You look at a schedule and see 6-10, I look at the schedule and see 10-6.

Neither of us knows what's going to happen. But for some reason you're right and I'm hopeless romantic. Lol

10-6 is baseless. 6-10 is based on the last two years and current talent level and inexperienced coaching.

Might as well say 16-0. f**k it!

So your basically saying that Beathard/Hoyer is who we should be evaluating potential wins with? 10-6 is far from baseless. Jimmy and Nick have started 16 total games and the niners are 9-7 over the last two years that they've started games. Add in another win with the improved pass rush and 10-6 seems reasonable. That being said, too many factors with the schedule to make any great predictions. I have the floor as 8 wins and the max as 12 so it's a decent size window.
In two seasons, Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch have a 4-12 season and a 6-10 season. Things are going in the right direction. Yes, I have the W-L reversed but, that doesn't matter because the first year was an anomaly with Jimmy performing so well to rack up 5 wins in a row. We had no business winning that many games with that expansion team roster. Things evened up in year 2 with Jimmy and McKinnon going down and us giving the football gods back those 4 wins that we stole from them. So we might as well call year one 4-12 and year 2 6-10.

The first year's roster wasn't a 6-10 team and our year two roster wasn't a 4-12 team. So it all washes and it's not unrealistic to expect next years team to get and extra 2-3 wins. The improved defense should net us 2-3 wins and I believe having McKinnon and Coleman along with our other weapons is 2 wins on top of that.

I wouldn't be shocked at 10-6 or 11-5 and I'm counting us losing to the Rams twice even though I believe they're very beatable.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
In two seasons, Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch have a 4-12 season and a 6-10 season. Things are going in the right direction. Yes, I have the W-L reversed but, that doesn't matter because the first year was an anomaly with Jimmy performing so well to rack up 5 wins in a row. We had no business winning that many games with that expansion team roster. Things evened up in year 2 with Jimmy and McKinnon going down and us giving the football gods back those 4 wins that we stole from them. So we might as well call year one 4-12 and year 2 6-10.

The first year's roster wasn't a 6-10 team and our year two roster wasn't a 4-12 team. So it all washes and it's not unrealistic to expect next years team to get and extra 2-3 wins. The improved defense should net us 2-3 wins and I believe having McKinnon and Coleman along with our other weapons is 2 wins on top of that.

I wouldn't be shocked at 10-6 or 11-5 and I'm counting us losing to the Rams twice even though I believe they're very beatable.

I gotta add in SF lost 10 games by one score or less in the past two seasons, also throw in the -25 turnover ratio this past yr (-3 in 2017).....imo that's a lot of stuff where if the ball bounced a certain way or they held onto some of those possible INTs, you're talking about a couple more wins for sure.

IF SF can get on the right side of being healthy and some younger player start developing we might have something
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I gotta add in SF lost 10 games by one score or less in the past two seasons, also throw in the -25 turnover ratio this past yr (-3 in 2017).....imo that's a lot of stuff where if the ball bounced a certain way or they held onto some of those possible INTs, you're talking about a couple more wins for sure.

IF SF can get on the right side of being healthy and some younger player start developing we might have something

Your point about the one score losses is true throughout the league. When you look at the scores every week there are far more one score victories than blowouts. The parity in the league is better than any of the other pro sports which makes it possible to go from 6-10 to 10-6 in one season. Two or 3 less penalties at key times or a tipped pass can easily change the outcome of the game. Turnover ratio can go from negative to positive and that can easily result in a couple extra wins. Talent always looks better when a team pays attention to detail and doesn't make a dumb mistake or gets that QB pressure at the right time. Attention to detail=talent=wins.
[ Edited by CatchMaster80 on Jun 3, 2019 at 1:30 PM ]
  • 9moon
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WE GOTS TO BE OVERHYPED AT THE MOMENT..

mannn, we haven't done crap nor played anyone !!
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