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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol yup that week 14 win really changed the culture in that locker room...gonna go on a tear these last 3 weeks.

Dont you think it would have mattered if we had a healthy QB all season?

Comeon dude.

Huh? What does this have to do with anything I've stated?? If we had our starting QB we wouldn't be 2-10 heading into week 14 thus NOT making this game a pointless win.

You're pushing the context of what is actually happening vs something that's a hypothetical situation.

It's because he knows he can't prove his side so he continues to straw man. Then other people come into this thread and rinse and repeat the idea that we are saying we want the TEAM themselves to tank when we are saying us as FANS want to tank. I swear I even think some of them might be alt accounts lol.

But I asked him multiple times what I wanted him to answer and he couldn't and tried to change the argument every single time. No problem with someone having a different mindset on this topic but its just unreal people agree with his opinion when he never said anything with evidence.

And he also said used an Ad Hominem to say that anyone who wants Bosa clearly has never played any sports. I guess my 11 years of football just never happened?
Originally posted by 49ers81:
They are professional athletes. They get paid to compete not to lie down. I suspect a win means more to them than it does to "fans" who are obsessed with draft position. Patriots haven't had a high draft pick, except perhaps through trade, for almost two decades. They seem to do all right. If you want to gauge the value of a high draft pick according to this forum just go over to the Solomon Thomas or Reuben Foster threads, or the Mike McGlinchey thread. People were rapping on that pick from the moment it was made. Seems to me it has turned out pretty well so far. George Kittle was a fifth round pick, Breida was an undrafted free agent. With a few obvious exceptions, there is almost no way of knowing how a college player's game is going to translate into the NFL, they spend a lot of time playing against guys who will be going into different careers once they get out of college. The history of the NFL is littered with first round busts, every team has them. Like everyone else I am hoping that the team will be able to get a good edge rusher in the next draft but I also think that the team needs to compete in its final three games. If you let them lie down now you run the risk of losing them altogether. Not to free agency or anything like that but just in terms of their commitment to what you are trying to achieve. You don't need players who are just there to collect a check, you need guys who are committed to winning, which means you have to win sometimes even in a down season to keep them invested in the process and to let them know you are serious about what you are trying to accomplish otherwise why should they continue to put in the effort.

Excellent post. I completely agree.

Some of us who have been alive and following the 49ers extremely closely since the mid-'70s know exactly what consistent losing looks like. It's no fun. Try 4 - 28 in consecutive years (the second being Walsh's first year). Then, 6-10 happened, which provided a glimpse into the team starting to make progress - and they got some wins to show for it. The following year after that: 13-3, which was one of the most incredible seasons I've experienced as a fan of the team. Nobody expected it.

The players, young & old, were part of a team that was executing what Walsh was coaching...they started becoming more & more competitive and started winning more during that 6-10 year (yes, I was happy they got 6 wins that year instead of another 2-14 season, which would have been three 2-win seasons in a row). We all know what happened from that next 13-3 year and going forward.

Not saying this regime is at all the same or that things will be replicated...just saying that as a fan I saw it happen once and I'll always hold out hope it can happen again. From what I've seen so far under Shanahan & Lynch, along with Garoppolo and his franchise-type, playmaking QB abilities, gives me a lot of optimism for the future - a lot more than just hope.
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
They are professional athletes. They get paid to compete not to lie down. I suspect a win means more to them than it does to "fans" who are obsessed with draft position. Patriots haven't had a high draft pick, except perhaps through trade, for almost two decades. They seem to do all right. If you want to gauge the value of a high draft pick according to this forum just go over to the Solomon Thomas or Reuben Foster threads, or the Mike McGlinchey thread. People were rapping on that pick from the moment it was made. Seems to me it has turned out pretty well so far. George Kittle was a fifth round pick, Breida was an undrafted free agent. With a few obvious exceptions, there is almost no way of knowing how a college player's game is going to translate into the NFL, they spend a lot of time playing against guys who will be going into different careers once they get out of college. The history of the NFL is littered with first round busts, every team has them. Like everyone else I am hoping that the team will be able to get a good edge rusher in the next draft but I also think that the team needs to compete in its final three games. If you let them lie down now you run the risk of losing them altogether. Not to free agency or anything like that but just in terms of their commitment to what you are trying to achieve. You don't need players who are just there to collect a check, you need guys who are committed to winning, which means you have to win sometimes even in a down season to keep them invested in the process and to let them know you are serious about what you are trying to accomplish otherwise why should they continue to put in the effort.

Excellent post. I completely agree.

Some of us who have been alive and following the 49ers extremely closely since the mid-'70s know exactly what consistent losing looks like. It's no fun. Try 4 - 28 in consecutive years (the second being Walsh's first year). Then, 6-10 happened, which provided a glimpse into the team starting to make progress - and they got some wins to show for it. The following year after that: 13-3, which was one of the most incredible seasons I've experienced as a fan of the team. Nobody expected it.

The players, young & old, were part of a team that was executing what Walsh was coaching...they started becoming more & more competitive and started winning more during that 6-10 year (yes, I was happy they got 6 wins that year instead of another 2-14 season, which would have been three 2-win seasons in a row). We all know what happened from that next 13-3 year and going forward.

Not saying this regime is at all the same or that things will be replicated...just saying that as a fan I saw it happen once and I'll always hold out hope it can happen again. From what I've seen so far under Shanahan & Lynch, along with Garoppolo and his franchise-type, playmaking QB abilities, gives me a lot of optimism for the future - a lot more than just hope.

Yes but every year JG gets hurt sets us back a year. It isn't as much that the offensive players get 3 years into Kyles system, it is that the QB of this system is starting for 3 years so that he can dominate.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's because he knows he can't prove his side so he continues to straw man. Then other people come into this thread and rinse and repeat the idea that we are saying we want the TEAM themselves to tank when we are saying us as FANS want to tank. I swear I even think some of them might be alt accounts lol.

But I asked him multiple times what I wanted him to answer and he couldn't and tried to change the argument every single time. No problem with someone having a different mindset on this topic but its just unreal people agree with his opinion when he never said anything with evidence.

And he also said used an Ad Hominem to say that anyone who wants Bosa clearly has never played any sports. I guess my 11 years of football just never happened?

right

And what anyone did in HS/college football isn't even what we're talking about lol.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 10, 2018 at 2:55 PM ]
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