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Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Exactly. I agree 100%

I've been playing sports my whole life. Ive been on some stinkers of teams where we only won one game here and there and boy did that win feel great. Imagine what it does for these young guys.

Only that's not an apples to apples comparison...losing a game in HS or college doesn't improve your chances of getting a top recruit that can change your whole defense (when your team is in a lost season).

Again, my posts on this topic have nothing to do with the team itself tanking, that's not gonna happen. It's has to do with fans preferring a week 14 win to go to 3 wins on the season vs losing out to secure that top selection.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol, tell me this, who was the MVP in Super Bowl 50 was it Peyton Manning or Von Miller?

So what you're saying is Bosa will singlehandedly take us to the SB so we should purposely lose the rest of our games?

How about you just answer the question?

So he won the game singlehandedly?

I'm all for adding a pass rusher or any impact player but not at the expense of wins.

Constant losing becomes toxic. These guys have to know what it feels like to win and compete.
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
12.5 sacks so far. You're right who needs that?!

Jeeessssus.

Last I checked the Browns are still 5-7-1 with those 12.5 sacks.

And maybe SF would be a 9-10 win team with a healthy JG and Garrett and his 12+ sacks next to buck??

But yeah that Rams game was totally worth it...really got the "winning" culture rolling lol. I'm sure winning 3 games instead of 2 will really get the moral of all these guys where we need to be.
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
So he won the game singlehandedly?

I'm all for adding a pass rusher or any impact player but not at the expense of wins.

Constant losing becomes toxic. These guys have to know what it feels like to win and compete.

How about you change that word to "win" one f**king game...stop acting like this win magically transforms this team. If they lose the next 3 games does that one win have any meaning? Not in my opinion just f**ks us....again.

If Bosa becomes an all-pro for some other team (maybe a division rival) I'm sure you'll feel all warm and cozy inside about a week 14 win. Lost season with injuries...objective should be to develop young players and put yourself in a position to improve this team in the off season. Like cutting old bloated contracts and having the best possible chance at getting game changers in the draft.

This is from a logical perspective not emotional...I don't expect a team to full on tank, this is purely about wanting a team to lose for the greater long term goal.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 10, 2018 at 8:40 AM ]
Very encouraging to see how well Reed and Harris played yesterday. The secondary isn't as bad as we thought. And once we fix the pass rush it will be much improved.
Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Very encouraging to see how well Reed and Harris played yesterday. The secondary isn't as bad as we thought. And once we fix the pass rush it will be much improved.

I wouldn't be too encouraged. Broncos QB wouldn't make the 49ers roster and their #1 WR started the season out at #3.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Very encouraging to see how well Reed and Harris played yesterday. The secondary isn't as bad as we thought. And once we fix the pass rush it will be much improved.

I wouldn't be too encouraged. Broncos QB wouldn't make the 49ers roster and their #1 WR started the season out at #3.

He was picked higher than Pettis was.
And Keenum would make any nfl team as a backup and a starter on 3-4 teams.
[ Edited by TheXFactor on Dec 10, 2018 at 8:41 AM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Someone should ask Shanny why he tried to call a time out on that big 3rd down conversion to Pettis towards the end of the game

He explained it in his post-game press conference. He called the play for a man defense but Denver showed zone for one of the few times all day. Worked out anyway.
Originally posted by Joecool:
I wouldn't be too encouraged. Broncos QB wouldn't make the 49ers roster and their #1 WR started the season out at #3.

Keenum would definitely make our roster lol and Sutton started out as the 3rd WR because he was behind Sanders and DT plus well he's a rookie.
Originally posted by Karma:
Us "fools" have our opinions. We like when our team wins. It's not that hard to understand. here are a few things to consider:

1. Harbaugh's first season is a completely different scenario. He took over an underachieving group of veterans with tons of talent. Remember, the team already had Gore, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Bowman, Justin Smith, etc. This team was a tear down when Shanahan got here. Development has always been essential to this team.

2. This all hinges on the idea that Bosa makes the team better than winning a meaningless game now. You argue that a "winning culture" is nothing compared to talent. How many 1st round busts did the Patriots have during their dynasty? How many "generational talents" did they draft in the first round?

3. Bosa is not a guarantee. No. Player. Is. You want to rob yourself of a chance to enjoy a win so you can pine for a guy that might be good? Yesterday's win was fun. Kittle's dominance, Pettis' continued emergence. Marcel Harris with that huge tackle to stop them on 4th down. Three other 4th down stops. D.J. Reed leading the team in tackles and getting his first sack. Sherman jumping around and smacking helmets after a big play. You didn't get to enjoy any of that because you were too worried about April. That's just not the kind of fan I want to be...

1. You just said that the team had a ton of talent and that is why Harbaugh did well. We drafted high for years gaining talent yet those players did not suck because of the years we lost close games and in blowouts, their confidence was not ruined after years of sucking. Even Alex Smith was able to fight though those losing seasons and fans calling for him to get cut and then he almost lead us to a Superbowl. So confidence plays a very little role compared to a franchise player like Bosa could and probably will be. Are you making my point for me or are you changing the subject again? Or both?

2. How many times have the Patriots had the first overall pick recently? You know and I know that the Patriots have done well because they lucked into Tom Brady and that BB might be the greatest coach of all time. Could the team win a Superbowl without Tom Brady? Why not? He is only one player and the team already has the winning culture so they would win Superbowls without him right? Let's go get our Tom Brady on defense. Let's go get the game changing player that can take over games. The player who bring fans to the stadium who want to see him. That is what we desperately need on defense IMO.

3. Of course, no player is a guarantee but losing out on the first pick doesn't give us a better chance to find that elite player we need. The higher you pick the more ability you have to make That is all that I am saying. I have no problem with people wanting the win over getting Bosa because it is their right to root for their team. But also saying that is "not the fan you want to be" doesn't answer my question and it is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Very encouraging to see how well Reed and Harris played yesterday. The secondary isn't as bad as we thought. And once we fix the pass rush it will be much improved.

ok, lets tap the brakes., we do this all the time.. when jimmy played last year.. we all heard.. well maybe the o line is not as bad as we think.. just because they played well yesterday does not mean anything.. no the secondary is bad. a good pass rush would help but i hope they add a good vet piece to the secondary next year.. when they replace the dc and all position coaches. unlike some. one win does not change my mind on our dc and his coaches
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I wouldn't be too encouraged. Broncos QB wouldn't make the 49ers roster and their #1 WR started the season out at #3.

Keenum would definitely make our roster lol and Sutton started out as the 3rd WR because he was behind Sanders and DT plus well he's a rookie.

Thanks
WOW! We won a game!
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol, tell me this, who was the MVP in Super Bowl 50 was it Peyton Manning or Von Miller?

So what you're saying is Bosa will singlehandedly take us to the SB so we should purposely lose the rest of our games?

How about you just answer the question?

So he won the game singlehandedly?

I'm all for adding a pass rusher or any impact player but not at the expense of wins.

Constant losing becomes toxic. These guys have to know what it feels like to win and compete.

You can believe losing is toxic and still want Bosa over this past win. That is what you still haven't addressed because you can't. You continue to straw man everyone in here and now ad hominem for saying that people who want Bosa, "have never played sports of any kind". Real fans wanted the 49ers to win this game and I totally respect that. But real fans in here want the 49ers to get a defensive superstar and getting the first overall picks gives us the best chance to do so.

You keep using logical fallacies because you can't answer the original question because you know you can't. All your arguments are circular. Meaning you say stuff like winning is better than getting a player like Bosa because players should know how to win.... Okay then HOW IS WINNING BETTER? GIVE EXAMPLES.

I gave you mine with the Jags and all you said was that they suck because Bortles sucks. Maaaaaybe other teams in the division got better like the Colts. Maybe its because the Texans have Watson for the whole year. Maybe the Jags lost some players in FA (which they did) and it is not because they hadn't established a winning culture or hadn't won enough games the year before to gain confidence because they did!!! They won those games and it proves that a winning culture and confidence aren't big indicators to long-term success compared to elite blue-chip pass rushers.
Bosa would be nice. Still can't root for a loss. Football is an entertainment product. I was entertained at the game yesterday for once. Winning feels good. Go Niners.
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