Draft summary

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Tank has never been as dominant as everyone thought he'd be, Dial in is the league, ok, started 2 games last year. McDonald was drafted ahead of Kelce, so he obviously was thought to be better at the time. He's not. Cooper was decent for a few years and was arguably the second best player in this draft. Point is there is one great player in this draft in 11 opportunities. From a draft largely viewed as a success.

not being facetious but which of them do you view as great? I absolutely agree with the point you are making though. This was a great draft which just wasnt. Lattimore remains one of the biggest disappointments to me.

Haha. Good point. I was giving Reid the benefit of the doubt because he was a Pro-Bowler.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

but why didn't we address the MLB position? at least just in case?

We did WILL and MIKE are interchangeable in this scheme

tinypic not workin

God damn

Originally posted by Rathof44:
I remember being psyched about this draft in 2013.........it ended up being terrible. Garbage. The only quality player can't find a job. Nobody knows. we think we know, we really don't.

1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers

Exactly.

I thought this draft was amazing. Especially after the first year where Reid was a pro bowler and Lemon looked like he can actually pass rush and we still had Tank and Lattimore to look forward to coming off redshirt seasons.

Let's see how this unfolds and judge then. I understand the frustration and the disappointment but draft is a crap shoot we'll know how it went 5+ years from now.

Digesting this draft - at first I was dismayed, then a bit bummed, but with a little time to reflect I believe two things -

1. The coaching staff was more aware of limitations that were holding back the defense and offence that were not obvious to fans. So they went about addressing the issues in a way fans and pundits don't expect. For example:

>>O-Line - It seems like the coaching staff evaluation of the o-line was that the needed a different kind of tackle on the right side to have the offense run more effectively. And that the guard play was not a critical as us fans thought and marginal improvement would suffice there. So the T draft made sense internally and a way to plan for Staley only playing 1-2 years more.

>>WR - Even tho the WR on the roster seem serviceable, the coaching staff must have decided that the separation Shanny so desires was not occuring, and to get the offense to function - and get more YAC, they needed receivers that could separate. (I am surprised that same concern didn't relate to the TEs too - but they did go after the USD TE as an UDFA).

>>Edge rushers vs DBs - clearly they didn't believe this class offered much than the current roster. Also, I assume that the coaching staff saw issues with our DBs different than expected - particularly in the S-CB hybrid role.

2. Sometimes drafts don't fall your way - I have to admit that Lynch and Shanny also seemed to have a look of resignation in their pressers about this draft. It funny when pundits or fans say they should have done this or that trade - or that they didn't need to trade up, he would have been there. WE don't know anything about the intel and rumors going on in the draft rooms. The team may have good sources saying another team is going to do this or that. And to do a trade, there has to be a willing partner and deal that makes sense - which isn't often the case. So a team can often be left taking the guys they like best - that they believe will be a fit in their system - out of who is left versus the most popular or higher rated player by the pundits.

So, fans and pundits are pleased - and give high grades - when their teams draft aligns with the hype before the draft - and yet drafts almost never unfold that way. This is just one of those drafts it seems.

BUT, we can all have a more informed opinion after this season when we see how these picks perform with the team - if they all get cut, then they were a poor choice.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
I remember being psyched about this draft in 2013.........it ended up being terrible. Garbage. The only quality player can't find a job. Nobody knows. we think we know, we really don't.

1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers

Exactly.

I thought this draft was amazing. Especially after the first year where Reid was a pro bowler and Lemon looked like he can actually pass rush and we still had Tank and Lattimore to look forward to coming off redshirt seasons.

Let's see how this unfolds and judge then. I understand the frustration and the disappointment but draft is a crap shoot we'll know how it went 5+ years from now.

That is an EXCELLENT point. I had high hopes for all those players - especially Lattimore, Tank, and Patton. Bummer.

If we took Lemonaide this year, many would be so happy because we drafted an ER

PFF's Draft Grades

1 (9) Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame, 90.6
2 (44) Dante Pettis, WR, Washington, 82.0
3 (70) Fred Warner, LB, BYU, 86.1
3 (95) Tarvarius Moore, S, Southern Miss, 88.6
4 (128) Kentavius Street, Edge, NC State, 73.7
5 (142) D.J. Reed, CB, Kansas State, 89.9
6 (184) Marcell Harris, S, Florida, 74.8* (in 2016)
7 (223) Julian Taylor, DI, Temple, 84.1
7 (240) Richie James, WR, MTSU, 70.4

Day 1: While many had the 49ers targeting a specific need at the top of the draft, they pulled a bit of a surprise by selecting the top tackle on the board in Notre Dame's Mike McGlinchey. One half of the best double team in college football, McGlinchey provides them a new starter at right tackle after the team dealt Trent Brown to the New England Patriots, and a potential future replacement for Joe Staley down the road. McGlinchey was a dominant run-blocker and while he was a good pass-blocker – surrendering 16 total pressures over his final season – there were some ugly plays on his tape as well where he can be beaten decisively and quickly in the play. His game still needs some refinement, but he was one of the best offensive linemen available in this draft and should provide a solid upgrade to the line.

Day 2: Pettis is sharp in and out of his cuts with a good overall feel as a route runner and he has excellent hands, as he dropped only seven of his 169 catchable targets in his career. He posted his highest overall grade in 2016 (85.1) and he adds special teams value after setting the NCAA record with nine punt returns for touchdowns. After attacking offense with their first two picks, the 49ers went defense in Round three, selecting LB Fred Warner out of BYU and then defensive back Tarvarius Moore out of Southern Miss in the third round. Warner has graded very well at PFF for multiple seasons playing the overhang or walk-out linebacker spot in that defensive scheme that doesn't really exist in the NFL. He has the movement skills and coverage ability that fits perfectly in today's NFL, but he is going to need to get more acclimatized to playing inside in tighter quarters with bigger bodies in close proximity. Moore flies to the football and moves well, showing the ability to hang with receivers 1-on-1 as a safety in college, but he may project outside to cornerback at the next level and could end up playing alongside Richard Sherman on the outside.

Day 3: D.J. Reed was an undersized corner with outstanding PFF grades, and wasn't beaten for a catch longer than 30 yards in 2017 and he may play free safety for the 49ers given his height. They also selected Kentavius Street, despite him tearing his knee in the pre-draft process. Street is a powerhouse who will likely split time between edge and interior of the line once he's healthy. They also snagged Temple's Julian Taylor, who notched 28 defensive stops and graded very well against the run.

Overall grade: Above average

For context, Seattle got an 'Average' grade.

As I evaluate the draft, the key thing is to avoid draft grades. They are pure b******t as there's an inherent bias on perceived value. Instead, I look at the holistic view for current state and future state for the player, his role, and his ceiling.

With that being said, it's clear that Shanahan wants pure scheme fits on offense, and wants to improve coverage to help the pass rush on defense. I'm cool with the former, and iffy on the execution with the latter.

Pick 1: McGlinchey - OT - Notre Dame
- We accepted Bowman gone for Foster. We accepted Hyde gone for McKinnon. And let's now accept Brown gone for McGlinchey. He'll have his stumbling blocks, but McGlinchey provides a much better fit at RT for the ZBS with upside to take over Staley at LT. A better run blocker will allow Shanahan to get more creative in the playcalling. It's a good pick. Is it sexy? Well...he did pick 69.

Pick 2: Dante Pettis - WR/KR - Washington
- Love this pick. Great short speed. Love his route running skills. He can play inside or outside. And he can play some impact ST. Garcon is old, Goodwin is brittle, and Taylor is strictly a slot. He can play those 3 roles. And don't get caught up into the draft pundit analysis. EQ St Brown and Deon Cain are two prime examples of that. Unless you are the next Julio, WRs are now similar to RBs in value. Get the one for your scheme. Good pick.

Pick 3: Fred Warner - LB - BYU
- Love the position, like the pick. He's an ideal scheme fit with great sideline to sideline speed. With Saleh and M. Smith saying the MIKE and WILL have similar responsibilities and interchangeable, I feel really good about the Foster, Smith, Coyle, and Warner core at the two LB spots. Elevates the talent for today, and sets a path for tomorrow. He'll go through his stumbling blocks as well.

Pick 4: Tarvarius Moore - DB - Southern Miss
- Transition to CB will be big, but I actually really like the pick. I have faith in this coaching and scouting staffs with DBs. Witherspoon developed and dominated. Colbert surprised many folks. Mabin played well in spot duty. Williams was a great FA signing. Be prepared for him to look bad...very bad...in preseason. Let's call it a Dontae Johnson. Hopefully he'll develop there. If not, we got a stud 3rd safety.

Pick 5: Kentavious Street - DL - NC State
- I don't get this pick. I really don't. We have an interior DL fetish for a team that is hurting for talent at EDGE. Big ends and 3 techs are a dime a dozen in drafts unless you really think someone is going to be elite. Add that to a torn ACL and the fact we exercised the 5th year option on Armstead, I'm stumped. Questionable pick, especially with Sweat and Oko on the board at these spots.

Pick 6: D.J. Reed - DB - Kansas St.
- The complete opposite of Dontae Johnson. He's a great cover corner that will mostly play from the slot. I actually see him replacing Jimmie Ward in 2019 if he develops as a backup CB and S. With him and Moore, Saleh can really get creative with the back 5 in sub-packages. I like the pick.

Pick 7: Marcell Harris - DB - Florida
- Uhh...Is Lynch's middle name Baalke? What's up with the DB fetish? Again, I'll give this staff the benefit of the doubt because they've earned it. I still would like to see Reid resigned with the team. Let Harris and Jones compete for the ST safety role.

Pick 8: Julian Taylor - DL - Temple
- This tells me that they aren't sold on Blair, and provides insurance for Armstead with his injury history. Let the 3 duke it out for two spots, and add bring Street into the mix in 2019.

Pick 9: Richie James - WR - Middle Tenn.
- Hell yeah. Great pick. A potential Gabriel in the making.

So then it begs the question...what about EDGE? Well...I think we will go all in for a free agent guy in 2019. A lot of these draft picks will fill holes left by expiring contracts. McGlinchey for Brown - cheaper. Reed for Ward - cheaper. Garoppolo's contract - cheaper.

D-Law, Orakpo, Quinn, Barrett, Dunlap, Ziggy are some names we could target, along with a loaded EDGE draft. In the meantime, hopefully you get better secondary production with the improved technique from Harold, Marsh, and Attaochu to make a tangible difference. We'll see.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
I remember being psyched about this draft in 2013.........it ended up being terrible. Garbage. The only quality player can't find a job. Nobody knows. we think we know, we really don't.

1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers

I thought Nick Moody was the 2nd coming of Jeff Fuller/Chet Brooks/Merton Hanks. He never did perform.

Originally posted by GEEK:
As I evaluate the draft, the key thing is to avoid draft grades. They are pure b******t as there's an inherent bias on perceived value. Instead, I look at the holistic view for current state and future state for the player, his role, and his ceiling.

With that being said, it's clear that Shanahan wants pure scheme fits on offense, and wants to improve coverage to help the pass rush on defense. I'm cool with the former, and iffy on the execution with the latter.

So then it begs the question...what about EDGE? Well...I think we will go all in for a free agent guy in 2019. A lot of these draft picks will fill holes left by expiring contracts. McGlinchey for Brown - cheaper. Reed for Ward - cheaper. Garoppolo's contract - cheaper.

D-Law, Orakpo, Quinn, Barrett, Dunlap, Ziggy are some names we could target, along with a loaded EDGE draft. In the meantime, hopefully you get better secondary production with the improved technique from Harold, Marsh, and Attaochu to make a tangible difference. We'll see.

Agree on the fact that on offense, it was basically getting players to fit in Kyle's scheme. Good point about possibly trading draft picks to get an edge rusher in next years offseason. We should have a bit more cap space because of all the front loaded contract that was done this year and last year to get that free agent edge rusher. I'm also assuming we'll be drafting in the high twenties - and we'll easily be outside of the top ten players in the draft. Still, the ideal world would be us being able to trade draft picks and players to move up in the draft to the top 10 next year and get a good edge rusher that can be the foundation for the next decade.

Originally posted by GEEK:
As I evaluate the draft, the key thing is to avoid draft grades. They are pure b******t as there's an inherent bias on perceived value. Instead, I look at the holistic view for current state and future state for the player, his role, and his ceiling.

With that being said, it's clear that Shanahan wants pure scheme fits on offense, and wants to improve coverage to help the pass rush on defense. I'm cool with the former, and iffy on the execution with the latter.

Pick 1: McGlinchey - OT - Notre Dame
- We accepted Bowman gone for Foster. We accepted Hyde gone for McKinnon. And let's now accept Brown gone for McGlinchey. He'll have his stumbling blocks, but McGlinchey provides a much better fit at RT for the ZBS with upside to take over Staley at LT. A better run blocker will allow Shanahan to get more creative in the playcalling. It's a good pick. Is it sexy? Well...he did pick 69.

Pick 2: Dante Pettis - WR/KR - Washington
- Love this pick. Great short speed. Love his route running skills. He can play inside or outside. And he can play some impact ST. Garcon is old, Goodwin is brittle, and Taylor is strictly a slot. He can play those 3 roles. And don't get caught up into the draft pundit analysis. EQ St Brown and Deon Cain are two prime examples of that. Unless you are the next Julio, WRs are now similar to RBs in value. Get the one for your scheme. Good pick.

Pick 3: Fred Warner - LB - BYU
- Love the position, like the pick. He's an ideal scheme fit with great sideline to sideline speed. With Saleh and M. Smith saying the MIKE and WILL have similar responsibilities and interchangeable, I feel really good about the Foster, Smith, Coyle, and Warner core at the two LB spots. Elevates the talent for today, and sets a path for tomorrow. He'll go through his stumbling blocks as well.

Pick 4: Tarvarius Moore - DB - Southern Miss
- Transition to CB will be big, but I actually really like the pick. I have faith in this coaching and scouting staffs with DBs. Witherspoon developed and dominated. Colbert surprised many folks. Mabin played well in spot duty. Williams was a great FA signing. Be prepared for him to look bad...very bad...in preseason. Let's call it a Dontae Johnson. Hopefully he'll develop there. If not, we got a stud 3rd safety.

Pick 5: Kentavious Street - DL - NC State
- I don't get this pick. I really don't. We have an interior DL fetish for a team that is hurting for talent at EDGE. Big ends and 3 techs are a dime a dozen in drafts unless you really think someone is going to be elite. Add that to a torn ACL and the fact we exercised the 5th year option on Armstead, I'm stumped. Questionable pick, especially with Sweat and Oko on the board at these spots.

Pick 6: D.J. Reed - DB - Kansas St.
- The complete opposite of Dontae Johnson. He's a great cover corner that will mostly play from the slot. I actually see him replacing Jimmie Ward in 2019 if he develops as a backup CB and S. With him and Moore, Saleh can really get creative with the back 5 in sub-packages. I like the pick.

Pick 7: Marcell Harris - DB - Florida
- Uhh...Is Lynch's middle name Baalke? What's up with the DB fetish? Again, I'll give this staff the benefit of the doubt because they've earned it. I still would like to see Reid resigned with the team. Let Harris and Jones compete for the ST safety role.

Pick 8: Julian Taylor - DL - Temple
- This tells me that they aren't sold on Blair, and provides insurance for Armstead with his injury history. Let the 3 duke it out for two spots, and add bring Street into the mix in 2019.

Pick 9: Richie James - WR - Middle Tenn.
- Hell yeah. Great pick. A potential Gabriel in the making.

So then it begs the question...what about EDGE? Well...I think we will go all in for a free agent guy in 2019. A lot of these draft picks will fill holes left by expiring contracts. McGlinchey for Brown - cheaper. Reed for Ward - cheaper. Garoppolo's contract - cheaper.

D-Law, Orakpo, Quinn, Barrett, Dunlap, Ziggy are some names we could target, along with a loaded EDGE draft. In the meantime, hopefully you get better secondary production with the improved technique from Harold, Marsh, and Attaochu to make a tangible difference. We'll see.

Good post!

Wait I thought we blew it

Originally posted by GEEK:

As I evaluate the draft, the key thing is to avoid draft grades. They are pure b******t as there's an inherent bias on perceived value. Instead, I look at the holistic view for current state and future state for the player, his role, and his ceiling.

With that being said, it's clear that Shanahan wants pure scheme fits on offense, and wants to improve coverage to help the pass rush on defense. I'm cool with the former, and iffy on the execution with the latter.

Pick 1: McGlinchey - OT - Notre Dame
- We accepted Bowman gone for Foster. We accepted Hyde gone for McKinnon. And let's now accept Brown gone for McGlinchey. He'll have his stumbling blocks, but McGlinchey provides a much better fit at RT for the ZBS with upside to take over Staley at LT. A better run blocker will allow Shanahan to get more creative in the playcalling. It's a good pick. Is it sexy? Well...he did pick 69.

Pick 2: Dante Pettis - WR/KR - Washington
- Love this pick. Great short speed. Love his route running skills. He can play inside or outside. And he can play some impact ST. Garcon is old, Goodwin is brittle, and Taylor is strictly a slot. He can play those 3 roles. And don't get caught up into the draft pundit analysis. EQ St Brown and Deon Cain are two prime examples of that. Unless you are the next Julio, WRs are now similar to RBs in value. Get the one for your scheme. Good pick.

Pick 3: Fred Warner - LB - BYU
- Love the position, like the pick. He's an ideal scheme fit with great sideline to sideline speed. With Saleh and M. Smith saying the MIKE and WILL have similar responsibilities and interchangeable, I feel really good about the Foster, Smith, Coyle, and Warner core at the two LB spots. Elevates the talent for today, and sets a path for tomorrow. He'll go through his stumbling blocks as well.

Pick 4: Tarvarius Moore - DB - Southern Miss
- Transition to CB will be big, but I actually really like the pick. I have faith in this coaching and scouting staffs with DBs. Witherspoon developed and dominated. Colbert surprised many folks. Mabin played well in spot duty. Williams was a great FA signing. Be prepared for him to look bad...very bad...in preseason. Let's call it a Dontae Johnson. Hopefully he'll develop there. If not, we got a stud 3rd safety.

Pick 5: Kentavious Street - DL - NC State
- I don't get this pick. I really don't. We have an interior DL fetish for a team that is hurting for talent at EDGE. Big ends and 3 techs are a dime a dozen in drafts unless you really think someone is going to be elite. Add that to a torn ACL and the fact we exercised the 5th year option on Armstead, I'm stumped. Questionable pick, especially with Sweat and Oko on the board at these spots.

Pick 6: D.J. Reed - DB - Kansas St.
- The complete opposite of Dontae Johnson. He's a great cover corner that will mostly play from the slot. I actually see him replacing Jimmie Ward in 2019 if he develops as a backup CB and S. With him and Moore, Saleh can really get creative with the back 5 in sub-packages. I like the pick.

Pick 7: Marcell Harris - DB - Florida
- Uhh...Is Lynch's middle name Baalke? What's up with the DB fetish? Again, I'll give this staff the benefit of the doubt because they've earned it. I still would like to see Reid resigned with the team. Let Harris and Jones compete for the ST safety role.

Pick 8: Julian Taylor - DL - Temple
- This tells me that they aren't sold on Blair, and provides insurance for Armstead with his injury history. Let the 3 duke it out for two spots, and add bring Street into the mix in 2019.

Pick 9: Richie James - WR - Middle Tenn.
- Hell yeah. Great pick. A potential Gabriel in the making.

So then it begs the question...what about EDGE? Well...I think we will go all in for a free agent guy in 2019. A lot of these draft picks will fill holes left by expiring contracts. McGlinchey for Brown - cheaper. Reed for Ward - cheaper. Garoppolo's contract - cheaper.

D-Law, Orakpo, Quinn, Barrett, Dunlap, Ziggy are some names we could target, along with a loaded EDGE draft. In the meantime, hopefully you get better secondary production with the improved technique from Harold, Marsh, and Attaochu to make a tangible difference. We'll see.

You forgot maybe the best fit for LEO in free agency in Danielle Hunter. Vikes likely cant afford all 3 of him Barr and Diggs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Head of the class. 😎

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Wait I thought we blew it

Nope we didnt draft Harold Landry at 9. By definition we didnt blow it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Nope we didnt draft Harold Landry at 9. By definition we didnt blow it.

Health issues I guess no one knew about that