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Originally posted by Karma:
I was disappointed that I didn't recognize more names when we announced our picks, but what do I know? The one thing I do know is that it is ridiculously sophomoric to argue about it. As a fan, I am looking for reasons to be optimistic. That's what fans do. If your brand of fandom means that you look for reasons to be pessimistic and get indignant about decisions you don't understand, then have at it. But that can't be very enjoyable. I am a fan because I want something to distract and entertain me, not something else in my life to whine and moan about.

Reading about these draft picks, there is reason for hope and I think we can make some assumptions:

* Shanahan went into this off season focused on getting the offense he wants. They spent big money on a Center, RB, QB. They spent big draft Capitol on OT and WR/PR. Shanahan wants to put points up first and I am ok with that.

* They obviously thought Special Teams was a bigger concern than we did. Taylor is a fine PR, but he just doesn't have the speed to be dangerous. Same goes for him as a slot receiver. He is a great third down target when the team needs 5-10 yards, but that is about all he gives you. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a place on the team, but Pettis is going to bite into his snaps because he can break one as well. Add to that all of the DBs like Moore, Reed, and Harris who all figure to improve these units and you see how much Shanahan and Lynch were focused on field position.

* While we were freaking out about the EDGE, they saw a huge mess in the secondary. I can't say I blame them. At the beginning of the off season we had one CB, one slot CB, and three young, oft injured, or positionless safeties. So they spent tons of draft Capitol on speed, size, and length back there. They also brought in the prototypical CB for this defense to play and mentor. It is a move not just for this year, but the next 4-5 years.

* In the second year of six year deals, this regime does not feel the need to sell out to be contenders immediately. Everyone is looking enviously at the Rams, but if they flop this year they are screwed. They have pushed all of their chips into the middle for a shot this year. It might work out, but I like our approach. The slower built house often lasts longer.

* Remember how Harbaugh has a reputation for not playing younger guys? His draft picks would sit for years and we would say, "they are just learning and waiting." Maybe it was because Baalke was terrible, or maybe he didn't have enough faith in younger players. Either way, young players are being given a chance to play and grow. That is what gives me the most hope for this draft class and this year. The coaches are being counted on to prepare their players and the players are responding. Colbert was forced into playing FS and exceeded expectations. Kittle, Taylor, Breida, Witherspoon, and even Magnuson showed growth in their first years. They weren't perfect but the got better. That's why I am not as worried about Moore's transition to CB or Harris' year off. Our coaches seem to get the players ready.

good post. Agree about Taylor, he will always have a place on this team. He is a chain mover on 3rd down even though he doesn't have too much speed. Richie James has a better chance of replacing him than Pettis, Pettis imo will eventually replace garcon.

The secondary players we have are exciting. DJ Reed is gonna be a huge steal. Moore could become a shutdown corner if he learns from sherman and takes advantage of his athleticism. Even McFadden has a shot of thriving here.

People forget that we are rebuilding. We have a damn young roster. The only real old guy on this team is Staley. Give our guys a chance to develop (particularly our pass rushers).
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Originally posted by Karma:
I was disappointed that I didn't recognize more names when we announced our picks, but what do I know? The one thing I do know is that it is ridiculously sophomoric to argue about it. As a fan, I am looking for reasons to be optimistic. That's what fans do. If your brand of fandom means that you look for reasons to be pessimistic and get indignant about decisions you don't understand, then have at it. But that can't be very enjoyable. I am a fan because I want something to distract and entertain me, not something else in my life to whine and moan about.


Reading about these draft picks, there is reason for hope and I think we can make some assumptions:

* Shanahan went into this off season focused on getting the offense he wants. They spent big money on a Center, RB, QB. They spent big draft Capitol on OT and WR/PR. Shanahan wants to put points up first and I am ok with that.

* They obviously thought Special Teams was a bigger concern than we did. Taylor is a fine PR, but he just doesn't have the speed to be dangerous. Same goes for him as a slot receiver. He is a great third down target when the team needs 5-10 yards, but that is about all he gives you. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a place on the team, but Pettis is going to bite into his snaps because he can break one as well. Add to that all of the DBs like Moore, Reed, and Harris who all figure to improve these units and you see how much Shanahan and Lynch were focused on field position.

* While we were freaking out about the EDGE, they saw a huge mess in the secondary. I can't say I blame them. At the beginning of the off season we had one CB, one slot CB, and three young, oft injured, or positionless safeties. So they spent tons of draft Capitol on speed, size, and length back there. They also brought in the prototypical CB for this defense to play and mentor. It is a move not just for this year, but the next 4-5 years.

* In the second year of six year deals, this regime does not feel the need to sell out to be contenders immediately. Everyone is looking enviously at the Rams, but if they flop this year they are screwed. They have pushed all of their chips into the middle for a shot this year. It might work out, but I like our approach. The slower built house often lasts longer.

* Remember how Harbaugh has a reputation for not playing younger guys? His draft picks would sit for years and we would say, "they are just learning and waiting." Maybe it was because Baalke was terrible, or maybe he didn't have enough faith in younger players. Either way, young players are being given a chance to play and grow. That is what gives me the most hope for this draft class and this year. The coaches are being counted on to prepare their players and the players are responding. Colbert was forced into playing FS and exceeded expectations. Kittle, Taylor, Breida, Witherspoon, and even Magnuson showed growth in their first years. They weren't perfect but the got better. That's why I am not as worried about Moore's transition to CB or Harris' year off. Our coaches seem to get the players ready.

Good post.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by genus49:
They added talented players or guys who can be developed. The results will speak for themselves. It's too early to say it was great or it was awful.

On paper we've revamped our special teams which can be huge and added a lot of competition in the secondary. I have concerns at guard and edge rushers but we'll see if they're valid or not.

Pretending I know more than the coaches would be super arrogant.

Youre pretending to know as much as the coaches when you agree with them. Its a cop out to say "wait and see". Every draft is wait and see. Everyone knows that. But in regards to talent selection and meeting team needs i think possibly the first is a c due to all the late round medical jobs an the secobd is a d due to not adressing all the probs everyone identified very clearly after the season.


I have my concerns about the draft and not addressing pass rush or guard position is at the top of the list but wait and see is not a cop out. If Garnett and Cooper end up living up to their draft status suddenly in Kyle's scheme with Jimmy at QB then us not drafting guard makes perfect sense.

If Attachou, Marsh and Pita are able to stay healthy and provide great pass rush on 3rd down while Thomas and the rest of the DL take a big step forward as pass rush is concerned then pass rush wasn't as big a need as we thought.

It's very possible Kyle and John trust those guys too much and it bites us in the ass but sitting here and foaming at the mouth about how non sexy the draft was is dumb.

I thought the free agents we added last year were bargain bin guys who would need to be replaced as soon as possible. They showed they can be legit players. So at least on offense I'm going to trust this front office until they prove otherwise.

It helps that for the most part I liked the players we took. I may have preferred other guys or felt we drafted some earlier than we should have but I've learned to not b***h about that.
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sorry guys, especially to NY, but no way this draft deserves an A !!!

Lets all be honest here... Glaring needs we have, were they filled??

Does this draft class looks like it can get us over the hump????

Sure Jimmy played superb last year and he gave us hope... but bottom line is, he's still a very much UN-PROVEN!!!

Nothing great was done from this draft aside the fact that we now have ROOKIES who are similar type of players we already have on the team..

IF THIS WAS BAALKE'S DRAFT, WE ALL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD!!!
Originally posted by genus49:
I have my concerns about the draft and not addressing pass rush or guard position is at the top of the list but wait and see is not a cop out. If Garnett and Cooper end up living up to their draft status suddenly in Kyle's scheme with Jimmy at QB then us not drafting guard makes perfect sense.

If Attachou, Marsh and Pita are able to stay healthy and provide great pass rush on 3rd down while Thomas and the rest of the DL take a big step forward as pass rush is concerned then pass rush wasn't as big a need as we thought.

It's very possible Kyle and John trust those guys too much and it bites us in the ass but sitting here and foaming at the mouth about how non sexy the draft was is dumb.

I thought the free agents we added last year were bargain bin guys who would need to be replaced as soon as possible. They showed they can be legit players. So at least on offense I'm going to trust this front office until they prove otherwise.

It helps that for the most part I liked the players we took. I may have preferred other guys or felt we drafted some earlier than we should have but I've learned to not b***h about that.

Nobody liked taking a top fifty athlete at number 9. We only get a couple of these every 7 or 8 years.it would be nice to get a top ten athlete.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nobody liked taking a top fifty athlete at number 9. We only get a couple of these every 7 or 8 years.it would be nice to get a top ten athlete.

Who did you want there?
Originally posted by 9moon:
sorry guys, especially to NY, but no way this draft deserves an A !!!

Lets all be honest here... Glaring needs we have, were they filled??

Does this draft class looks like it can get us over the hump????

Sure Jimmy played superb last year and he gave us hope... but bottom line is, he's still a very much UN-PROVEN!!!

Nothing great was done from this draft aside the fact that we now have ROOKIES who are similar type of players we already have on the team..

IF THIS WAS BAALKE'S DRAFT, WE ALL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD!!!

What players wouldve gotten 9ers "over the hump"?
We drafted the all pro special team. We going to win games on kick and punt returns.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 9moon:
sorry guys, especially to NY, but no way this draft deserves an A !!!

Lets all be honest here... Glaring needs we have, were they filled??

Does this draft class looks like it can get us over the hump????

Sure Jimmy played superb last year and he gave us hope... but bottom line is, he's still a very much UN-PROVEN!!!

Nothing great was done from this draft aside the fact that we now have ROOKIES who are similar type of players we already have on the team..

IF THIS WAS BAALKE'S DRAFT, WE ALL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD!!!

What players wouldve gotten 9ers "over the hump"?

The funny thing is Lynch can't win with this crowd no matter what he did.

Landry clearly wasn't highly thought of around the NFL. Davenport wasn't wanted here by most people. Smith was gone already. Most didn't want a CB at #9.

I honestly don't understand who would've made these guys happy. We got players who fit our scheme and weren't reaches where they were selected.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
We drafted the all pro special team. We going to win games on kick and punt returns.

depth and special teams
Originally posted by VerrazanovsGGBX:
I am Rascal, this is my work account.

I've been spamming the 49ers FO for a week trying to get them do this and it looks like they will make it official soon:

49ers trade CJ Beathard, their next 4 2nd round picks and Joe Williams to the Rams for Jared Goff

The 49ers plan to use Jared Goff as a Edge Rusher which makes me get tingly. Goff is so godly as a QB so he knows how to get to the QB too. Goff will get at least 15 sacks for us in 2018, book it bros

So 49ers are about to get Jared Goff, who will be the next Jason Taylor and Bruce Smith. Rams like CJ and have been eyeing him.

Don't drink and post!
Originally posted by 9moon:
sorry guys, especially to NY, but no way this draft deserves an A !!!

Lets all be honest here... Glaring needs we have, were they filled??

Does this draft class looks like it can get us over the hump????

Sure Jimmy played superb last year and he gave us hope... but bottom line is, he's still a very much UN-PROVEN!!!

Nothing great was done from this draft aside the fact that we now have ROOKIES who are similar type of players we already have on the team..

IF THIS WAS BAALKE'S DRAFT, WE ALL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD!!!
Here's the difference, outside of the the 2010 and 2011 draft, Baalke's rookies woefully underperformed. In the one draft on record for our current front office, the rookies performed very well. One of the top two picks (on the field) looks like a homerun and everyone else exceeded expectations, save for Solomon Thomas. So I am willing to wait and see on this draft.

I think they are pretty committed to the brick by brick philosophy. What I expect to see is Kyle Shanahan fully run his offense this year, which should lead to some pretty exciting games, and definitely more TDs than field goals. I expect a defense that woulld be surrendering around 20 points a game, which isn't stellar, but it isn't a sieve either. That should be good enough for us to push for a non-losing record and an outside shot at a playoff spot.

IF these picks pan out (and I think we all hope they do) as well as our other young players continuing to make strides, then I am hoping that we can move up next year for one of the top pass rushers as well as bringing in more linebackers (I like Foster the player, but he's going to have to have no incidents for the duration of his rookie contract for me to trust him).

Realistically, I want us to score more points than we give up in 2018, no losses by 10+ points, and have one or more of those games where everything clicks and we see the full potential of this team- meaning the offense, defense, and special teams play well for 4 quarters.
So the team didn't address all of the needs I, or the professional "draft experts" identified.

What that means, we are not as close to the team, and don't know it's plans or needs as well as they do.

I wanted an edge rusher, offensive linemen, a running back, and big bodied red zone receiver. One out of four...not my best year.

I love the depth we suddenly have at defensive back, a huge weakness last season.

I'm pleased we have a heir apparent to Joe.

I'm still concerned about our lack of size at running back, and our lack of edge pressure.

I will say this, interior pass rush is the new edge rush. Let's hope we can get pressure up the gut.

The more I think about Pettis the more I like the pick. Taylor is our slot guy, and our third down guy. Now he has a back up. Garçon is old, and may need a breather now and then, now he has a back up. Taylor is a gutsy sure handed punt returner, now we don't have to worry about hm getting creamed on a punt return, that's not his job anymore.

Edge rusher, still a glaring need, with nonsure fire guy in the draft in the second roomd, we will have to watch the waiver wire like hawks, for the next Elvis "one and done" Dumerville.

So, unlike the experts, and whiners, I'm not going to down grade this draft because I didn't understand the teams needs.
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Originally posted by English:
I wanted a guard and, obviously, edge. But I like Pettis and Warner and, potentially, McGlinchey. The rest I view as depth. It isnt what I wanted but I guess I can live with it. All those db's and not a single guard even in udfa.

That was puzzling. Makes it seem they are convinced Garnett's re-shaping work will pay off, and between Tomlinson and Cooper they have the other guard spot solid.

TBH, Tomlinson was much better at the end of the season than he was earlier. Given the full off-season and TC, perhaps he can display his college promise.

As to edge, I think they saw early on that there was not going to be anything of value in the draft that would be better than what they already have in Attaochu and Marsh. Hence, they focused on improving the secondary to create coverage sacks.

Next year = edge.
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Originally posted by Butter:
This draft probably exposes the difference between the WZ fan opinion vs. the real 49ers draft board more than any other draft in recent memory.

Lynch and Co. have access to film, interviews with player, coaches and teammates, medical records, and a full time staff of assistants and regional scouts.

We have access to limited game film, draft pundit opinions, and public accounts of information.

But the reality is that even with all of that data, franchises get it wrong sometimes.

Based on the limited information I have, my assessment is that every single pick after McGlinchey could have been taken a round or two later, if not as UDFA. I dont hate the players, but I dont see great value in the timing of these picks.

It may turn out that all of these players contribute, but if they did reach on them, Lynch didnt give himself very much margin for error.

One always has to be cognizant of value, however, if you do draft a guy a round early and he works out, then value means nothing.

It seems clear by now that Shanahan will not accept anybody that does not fit his scheme, so if their number comes up and there is 25 or 30 places between there and the guy they want, they will pick the guy rather than trading back and taking a chance the guy is gone.
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