Harbaugh or Shanahan

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Does Greg Roman come with Harbaugh?

That is the question of the year!! and the sad thing is that we are serious.. but right now. for now. because kyle has such a small body of work and has only won six games and we finished last. going by wins and losses cuz that is what matters. you go with jh. faults and all. that may change. we shall see.. but if roman is joined at the hip with jh, then no

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

There was no number there was Kyle Williams

The Ravens won because Baalke refused to draft and went on vacation for 6-7 years every draft day..

The defense was exhausted.. And the pedestrian offense everyone so conveniently talking about???

Please rewatch the falcons game...The offense saved our asses...

The same offense everyone is complaining about yet the gm never knew how to draft

The Seahawks owned him because his offense was a HS/ college offense as was his QB a gimmick guy...

He actually hand picked that garbage combination.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
"In Harbaugh's one NFL stop in San Francisco, he took over a 6-10 team and went 44-19 over the next four seasons ― which included a heartbreaking three-point loss in Super Bowl XLVII. Before that, he inherited a 1-11 Stanford team and went 29-21 over four seasons. Most recently, he inherited a 5-8 Michigan team and has gone 28-11 in the three seasons since."

Facts.. Chris Carter is a f**king buckeye hater!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/jim-harbaugh-top-nfl-coaching-candidate-espn-michigan-football/amp

Note: He did it with baalke as his gm
These are facts of life that we must honor and not bring emotions into play.. He isn't #2 nor #3 but #1 on the most wanted.

Nice post Phoenix.. I respect that.

There's that Jeff Fisher type coach who can bring a team out of the gutter and make them on par with the league but that's it. Harbaugh is the next level who can make a 6 to 8 win team into a consistent playoff team. But I think that's about as far as he goes. His style of play needs too much to happen in order to get to the top of the heap.

Harbaugh 49ers always struggled against smart teams who refused to turn the ball over and play sound football. That's why the NYG had his number along with the Ravens. They played old school TOP ball as well and we couldn't beat them. SEA was also in a similar boat which was why it was difficult for Harbaugh to beat them.

There was no number there was Kyle Williams

The Ravens won because Baalke refused to draft and went on vacation for 6-7 years every draft day..

The defense was exhausted.. And the pedestrian offense everyone so conveniently talking about??? Saved us

Please rewatch the falcons game...The offense saved our asses...

The same offense everyone is complaining about yet the gm never knew how to draft

I understand that but the offensive production was too inconsistent. The defense showed up for many more games than the offense ever did. Of course it would be more difficult in the playoffs which usually has high fire power offenses. Majority of the games, JH offenses were not very good. And then when they figured the zone read option, JH offense was dead.

i was fine letting jh go as he wore out his welcome and his brand of football hit the wall and it was clear at the time he was not capable of developing ck. the fact that the team had no plan afterwards was unforgiveable as i really thought they would bring in a vet coach like gruden or older shanny cuz our team was still built to win... however i think it is sad when some people tear him down only because they love kyle. who has a small body of work and has won only six games. so much.

Guys!

You cannot complain about offense when the gm never drafted??? Do you actually realize 6-7 years of drafting went into thin air?

Eventually you need to replenish.. You guys talk about stagnant offense yet the freaking gm never brought the players or knew how to draft in order to make it non-stagnant

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Guys!

You cannot complain about offense when the gm never drafted???

Eventually you need to replenish.. You guys talk about stagnant offense yet the freaking gm never brought the players or knew how to draft in order to make it non-stagnant

Or did the coaches fail to develop the talent because they were old school and refused to play rookies and young guys not drafted in the first round?

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:

Shanahan was the guy I wanted here for the past 2-3 seasons. Like Niners816, I'm a huge fan of the WCO and all the variations that have come over the years (Walsh, Mike Shanahan, Holmgren, etc)

I was thrilled when it became apparent we had landed Kyle. Obviously people will remember the super bowl choke, but seeing what he did vs Seattle, Green Bay, and then 2 1/2 quarters in the SB, I felt the time was just right for him to transition into a HC role.

I loved what Harbaugh was able to do as far as changing the culture and producing a winning team. However, we never had a flow offensively outside of the 2nd half of the 2012 season. It felt clunky, archaic and just downright inefficient. By 2013 and 2014, I was tired of the dunderhead Bo Schembechler offense he insisted on running. He had been figured out by NFL coaches and furthermore, he couldn't win the big game. He still hasn't, even at Michigan (Ohio state). I hope he comes back to the NFL eventually and corrects his flaws, but I couldn't be happier having Kyle Shanahan as our guy.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Guys!

You cannot complain about offense when the gm never drafted???

Eventually you need to replenish.. You guys talk about stagnant offense yet the freaking gm never brought the players or knew how to draft in order to make it non-stagnant

Or did the coaches fail to develop the talent because they were old school and refused to play rookies?

What rookies 🤣

Are you serious??? Lmfao

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

"In Harbaugh's one NFL stop in San Francisco, he took over a 6-10 team and went 44-19 over the next four seasons ― which included a heartbreaking three-point loss in Super Bowl XLVII. Before that, he inherited a 1-11 Stanford team and went 29-21 over four seasons. Most recently, he inherited a 5-8 Michigan team and has gone 28-11 in the three seasons since."

Facts.. Chris Carter is a f**king buckeye hater!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/jim-harbaugh-top-nfl-coaching-candidate-espn-michigan-football/amp

Note: He did it with baalke as his gm
These are facts of life that we must honor and not bring emotions into play.. He isn't #2 nor #3 but #1 on the most wanted.

Nice post Phoenix.. I respect that.

There's that Jeff Fisher type coach who can bring a team out of the gutter and make them on par with the league but that's it. Harbaugh is the next level who can make a 6 to 8 win team into a consistent playoff team. But I think that's about as far as he goes. His style of play needs too much to happen in order to get to the top of the heap.

Harbaugh 49ers always struggled against smart teams who refused to turn the ball over and play sound football. That's why the NYG had his number along with the Ravens. They played old school TOP ball as well and we couldn't beat them. SEA was also in a similar boat which was why it was difficult for Harbaugh to beat them.

There was no number there was Kyle Williams

The Ravens won because Baalke refused to draft and went on vacation for 6-7 years every draft day..

The defense was exhausted.. And the pedestrian offense everyone so conveniently talking about??? Saved us

Please rewatch the falcons game...The offense saved our asses...

The same offense everyone is complaining about yet the gm never knew how to draft

80% of Baalke's picks were "hits" and he was clearly a Top 5 GM.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Guys!

You cannot complain about offense when the gm never drafted??? Do you actually realize 6-7 years of drafting went into thin air?

Eventually you need to replenish.. You guys talk about stagnant offense yet the freaking gm never brought the players or knew how to draft in order to make it non-stagnant

No arguing the GM aspect but let's be real. Kyle has 4 of the 5 worst graded OL in the game, a #3 WR at #1, UDFA's at RB and WR and two 5th round receivers. And he has them at #12. Insane.

Harbaugh had plenty of talent. He just chose the wrong QB; one who could never be a FQB and one who could lift up an organization like JG is. JG is a true FQB. But CK got that FQB $ by that GM you hate.

"Jake Rudock's been a 'godsend' for Jim Harbaugh, and the feeling's mutual"

He turned Alex Smith career around! Are you kidding me about the developing theory??? Lmfao

He got the best out of so many players dude. What are you talking about???

Originally posted by cciowa:
i was fine letting jh go as he wore out his welcome and his brand of football hit the wall and it was clear at the time he was not capable of developing ck. the fact that the team had no plan afterwards was unforgiveable as i really thought they would bring in a vet coach like gruden or older shanny cuz our team was still built to win... however i think it is sad when some people tear him down only because they love kyle. who has a small body of work and has won only six games. so much.

Nobody could develop kap into a pocket passer any more than a rock can learn to play the piano.

Harbs should have made that decision quickly by year 2. But he kept wishin and hopin. Or, he decided that he didn't need a pocket passer and could win with gimmicky run option playbook. So, which decision is less competent? Does it matter? Notice that in the hometown article, harbs is not on the colts search list. nuff said.

Anyway, don't go by wins and losses. Kyle has been a successful pro nfl oc for 6 years and has stats to prove it. Harbs inherited --what, 7 all stars? and three hof players on that roster, and ran out of gas by year 3.

buh bye jim. dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

80% of Baalke's picks were "hits" and he was clearly a Top 5 GM.

Woolick

Some of these posts are insane!!!!

Are these post produced by real niner fans!???

Holy s**t!

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Guys!

You cannot complain about offense when the gm never drafted??? Do you actually realize 6-7 years of drafting went into thin air?

Eventually you need to replenish.. You guys talk about stagnant offense yet the freaking gm never brought the players or knew how to draft in order to make it non-stagnant

Harbaugh had his hand picked quarterback, a HOF RB, a Top 3 OL and one of the very best defenses in football. One of the most talented rosters in football period. The "Baalke failed him excuse" just doesnt fly. Nobody in 2012 believed the 49ers were in anyways short on talent.


He had his shot, he didn't get it done and now we move on. Hopefully Shanahan can succeed where Harbaugh failed.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Harbaugh had his hand picked quarterback, a HOF RB, a Top 3 OL and one of the very best defenses in football. One of the most talented rosters in football period. The "Baalke failed him excuse" just doesnt fly. Nobody in 2012 believed the 49ers were in anyways short on talent.


He had his shot, he didn't get it done and now we move on. Hopefully Shanahan can succeed where Harbaugh failed.

What?????? You cannot be serious!!!

"Trent Baalke was the GM that believed solely in the draft and not spending as much in free agency."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ninernoise.com/2017/03/03/49ers-evaluating-trent-baalke-failure-nfl-draft/amp/

Do you realize baalke 6-7 years of drafts went no where?

Theres a whole class not in the nfl...

You cannot say that with a straight face...