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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by genus49:
Listen dude I know a thing or two about football. I play in at least 5 fantasy football leagues each year and I even made it to the playoffs a couple of those times so I'm kind of a big deal.

Fact is quarterbacks are what they are by year 6. Injuries, amount of games played or starter are just Jimmexcuses. An elite QB should be able to develop chemistry with his receivers just by doing simple math. Trajectory and velocity of the ball, wind direction and speed and the 40 time of his receiver. It's simple math and if they're good enough they should be hitting all their throws.

Jimmy simply isn't very good and it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Don't worry, I got your sarcasm.

I thought I was the only one who got that. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by genus49:
Listen dude I know a thing or two about football. I play in at least 5 fantasy football leagues each year and I even made it to the playoffs a couple of those times so I'm kind of a big deal.

Fact is quarterbacks are what they are by year 6. Injuries, amount of games played or starter are just Jimmexcuses. An elite QB should be able to develop chemistry with his receivers just by doing simple math. Trajectory and velocity of the ball, wind direction and speed and the 40 time of his receiver. It's simple math and if they're good enough they should be hitting all their throws.

Jimmy simply isn't very good and it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Don't worry, I got your sarcasm.

I thought I was the only one who got that. LOL

lol...i figured if the fantasy football stuff didn't make it obvious the simple math theory would have.

Scary thing is the fact that some people didn't spot it means some people have been posting that crazy without the sarcasm
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by genus49:
Listen dude I know a thing or two about football. I play in at least 5 fantasy football leagues each year and I even made it to the playoffs a couple of those times so I'm kind of a big deal.

Fact is quarterbacks are what they are by year 6. Injuries, amount of games played or starter are just Jimmexcuses. An elite QB should be able to develop chemistry with his receivers just by doing simple math. Trajectory and velocity of the ball, wind direction and speed and the 40 time of his receiver. It's simple math and if they're good enough they should be hitting all their throws.

Jimmy simply isn't very good and it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

I often agree with many of your posts and you are entitled to your opinions. I have to say that being in 5 fantasy football leagues doesn't necessarily mean you know a lot about football. They are mostly built around stats and there's a lot more to evaluating a player than looking at his stats. Not saying you don't know football but I wouldn't use fantasy leagues as a qualifier.

One of them was a 20 team league though! Does that change your opinion?
Originally posted by genus49:
One of them was a 20 team league though! Does that change your opinion?

That's good and all but have you conquered Madden? I know in GM mode I traded away Jimmy and still led us to a title.
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alright dudes.... as much as I want to keep debating if our 13-3 super bowl playing QB sucks AND how much better a 43 yr old QB, who is coming off his worst yr as a starter would actually be better...I'm done

not to mention what is our answer when brady retires ,, nick.. cj. mullens. rick mirer, gabbert. ck, alex.? jimmy haters do not want to discuss that

If Brady can get us a championship I'm willing to go with whoever after him. We seen how poorly jimmy did in the playoffs. Kyle barely even let him throw.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by genus49:
Listen dude I know a thing or two about football. I play in at least 5 fantasy football leagues each year and I even made it to the playoffs a couple of those times so I'm kind of a big deal.

Fact is quarterbacks are what they are by year 6. Injuries, amount of games played or starter are just Jimmexcuses. An elite QB should be able to develop chemistry with his receivers just by doing simple math. Trajectory and velocity of the ball, wind direction and speed and the 40 time of his receiver. It's simple math and if they're good enough they should be hitting all their throws.

Jimmy simply isn't very good and it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Don't worry, I got your sarcasm.

I thought I was the only one who got that. LOL

lol...i figured if the fantasy football stuff didn't make it obvious the simple math theory would have.

Scary thing is the fact that some people didn't spot it means some people have been posting that crazy without the sarcasm

in defense of english... i threw him off his game by suggesting we would go back to a combo of hoyer cj and gabbert if we dump jimmy. i believe he is still hurling
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alright dudes.... as much as I want to keep debating if our 13-3 super bowl playing QB sucks AND how much better a 43 yr old QB, who is coming off his worst yr as a starter would actually be better...I'm done

not to mention what is our answer when brady retires ,, nick.. cj. mullens. rick mirer, gabbert. ck, alex.? jimmy haters do not want to discuss that

If Brady can get us a championship I'm willing to go with whoever after him. We seen how poorly jimmy did in the playoffs. Kyle barely even let him throw.

jimmy upset me with his poor showing in the fourth and missing open sanders so i get your anger... i still blame kyle more for the loss
Originally posted by cciowa:
in defense of english... i threw him off his game by suggesting we would go back to a combo of hoyer cj and gabbert if we dump jimmy. i believe he is still hurling

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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alright dudes.... as much as I want to keep debating if our 13-3 super bowl playing QB sucks AND how much better a 43 yr old QB, who is coming off his worst yr as a starter would actually be better...I'm done

not to mention what is our answer when brady retires ,, nick.. cj. mullens. rick mirer, gabbert. ck, alex.? jimmy haters do not want to discuss that

If Brady can get us a championship I'm willing to go with whoever after him. We seen how poorly jimmy did in the playoffs. Kyle barely even let him throw.

jimmy upset me with his poor showing in the fourth and missing open sanders so i get your anger... i still blame kyle more for the loss

Oh yeah he's an epic choker but there were plays to be made but our noodle arm qb just stood there in cement shoes.
* First I would say he gets way too much blame.

* We should have been running the ball to close out the game. Coaching to blame.

* Second the defense folded in the 4th quarter. Not his fault. That's on the defense.

* It's his first full year as a starter. As if he can't get better than this? Sure he can. Absolutely he can.

All that said I guess you consider Brady if he wants to come. Would he help you in the key moments of the Super Bowl and the 4th quarter? Maybe he would? The pressure is certainly not too much for him.

Again I would say I don't put this on Jimmy G. Because really it's not. Not as much as some people in the sports media or on the WZ act like. There were a lot of terrible pitfalls here which didn't have to be that were in no way related to Jimmy G. Although he gets the blame unfairly. Because QB's always do.
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alright dudes.... as much as I want to keep debating if our 13-3 super bowl playing QB sucks AND how much better a 43 yr old QB, who is coming off his worst yr as a starter would actually be better...I'm done

not to mention what is our answer when brady retires ,, nick.. cj. mullens. rick mirer, gabbert. ck, alex.? jimmy haters do not want to discuss that

If Brady can get us a championship I'm willing to go with whoever after him. We seen how poorly jimmy did in the playoffs. Kyle barely even let him throw.

jimmy upset me with his poor showing in the fourth and missing open sanders so i get your anger... i still blame kyle more for the loss

Oh yeah he's an epic choker but there were plays to be made but our noodle arm qb just stood there in cement shoes.
i get it, missing wide open kittle, the sanders thing. i just think brady is going to end up like joe namath and johnny unitas and not worth the risk.
Originally posted by genus49:
One of them was a 20 team league though! Does that change your opinion?

No. It's still based on stats like most yards, TDs etc. Not saying stats are meaningless but there's much more to knowing about football than stats. Still, I'm not saying you don't know football but I don't think being in fantasy leagues means a whole lot. I used to do those leagues and we had people in there that knew little about football and just went with players they knew. Some of them did pretty well.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alright dudes.... as much as I want to keep debating if our 13-3 super bowl playing QB sucks AND how much better a 43 yr old QB, who is coming off his worst yr as a starter would actually be better...I'm done

not to mention what is our answer when brady retires ,, nick.. cj. mullens. rick mirer, gabbert. ck, alex.? jimmy haters do not want to discuss that

If Brady can get us a championship I'm willing to go with whoever after him. We seen how poorly jimmy did in the playoffs. Kyle barely even let him throw.

jimmy upset me with his poor showing in the fourth and missing open sanders so i get your anger... i still blame kyle more for the loss

Kyle made too many gains in the offense to get us there to begin with for me to blame him more. Sanders streaking open for the W,....hard to ask very much more of Kyle while going against Mahomes & Reid on the other side.
[ Edited by random49er on Mar 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
First half Kyle said he didn't want to give KC another possession. Given the situation where you know even if you just kill clock KC can't score again and you get the ball back after the half his calls made sense.

People acting like Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy would have a better point if we just kept running until halftime came. We ran twice to see what would happen and keep the clock moving. Kyle let Jimmy throw on our own 25...turnover there would be awful and if Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy we run again. Jimmy gets us 20 on 3rd and 5. Then throws a dime to Kittle.

I know what Kyle said. My point is, if he had Aaron Rodgers as his QB, he wouldnt have decided that. If he had Russell Wilson as his QB, he wouldnt have decided that. Therefore, in this specific scenario I think it can be very logical to conclude he didnt trust Jimmy to not make a mistake.

Also, I totally disagree with your ascertation that a turnover would be the worst thing in the world on that 3rd down. If Jimmy's ball was picked off, it would have been like a punt. The conclusions you are drawing from being "allowed to throw on the 25" can be discounted with the type of throw that was dialed up.

Not to mention once again...with the 2 score lead in the 4th quarter Kyle had us passing. Come on...if there are any trust issues Kyle is holding that lead for dear life and just running praying we keep the chains moving and kill the clock.

He trusted Jimmy and the passing offense to make their plays vs pass favorable looks. Unfortunately our offense didn't come through or KC's D made more plays.

This was another one of my points. I said there were examples in the SB that point to BOTH Kyle having faith in Jimmy and Kyle not having faith in Jimmy. Kyle keeping the ball in Jimmy's hands with a 2 score lead is one example proving he DID have faith in Jimmy.

But you cant use this one piece of evidence to say the other side is wrong. Because, like I said, there were conflicting messages Kyle sent throughout the game....which is why I have no idea if Kyle has full trust in Jimmy. What bothers me is that no one knows, yet the people who claim that Kyle has full trust in Jimmy claim that they KNOW. They dont.

Some decisions from Jimmy need to be cleaned up and I'm sure some piss Kyle off....no QB even the Brady/Brees type make all the right decisions and do everything perfectly that the coach wants. If anything this whole "Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy" BS is coming from the Pats.

Really tired of the "no QB makes all the plays" type argument. I guarantee you a Saints or Patriots fan has never said that. I also dont believe the trust thing is coming from New England. Some of our fans think that way. Some of our fans think like me and genuinely dont know for sure. But to claim that its coming from New England is kind of silly bro. You are reading this thread, and people arent Patriots fans in here.
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Originally posted by random49er:
Kyle made too many gains in the offense to get us there to begin with for me to blame him more. Sanders streaking hoping for the W,....hard to ask very much more of Kyle while going against Mahomes & Reid on the other side.

i will never argue with you about sanders trying and i pushed back on anyone who said it was sanders fault. but sorry yes for the way he handled the whole right before half time thing reeked of mooch vs tampa bay and running away from the run... i like kyle just as i liked jh,.but in both cases,. coaching in my opinion prevented us from winning two very winnable super bowls
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