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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
The people who cheer for the team when they lose at this point are just smart. we need a high draft pick to continue the building process. especially with a draft class full of ripe QB's for the picking. Period.

Yep.
Cheer to lose is one thing, Looking at the bright-side of losing is another

Cheer to lose is fkn stupid

+1...why even be a fan when you feel good about losing

Because winning 3 or 4 games does what? I want a sustainable winning franchise not a couple lucky wins here and there....best way to get better long-term imo is to draft better players, best odds of getting those type of players is by having higher picks.

I always want to see SF win, but I don't really get upset if they lose right now...I came into this season with the mind set that we just didn't have the talent and knew it would be a total rebuild, starting from the ground floor up.
how about we go 0-16 the next 3 years ? man then we can really do something. im sure everyone will enjoy those years

if you dont win games you still don't have the guys to win later
This is going to be the 49ers coming out party.
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the best thing to do is to hold off as long as you can on C.J
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by susweel:
I never said he will fail I'm just stating I'm not very impressed with him thus far. I expected more, actually him choking the falcons super bowl away was the first red flag.

Jed wasn't going to change his mind and scramble to look for some guy off the street over two playcalls lmao.

Im not talking about jed becuase he's an idiot I'm talking about my personal opinion. Hopefully ks is great and turns the franchise around but i fear the job is too big for him.

In this regard I actually think Lynh can help. Not sure he will master all the X's and O's of a GM's responsibilities, but I feel he's got the people skills to keep Kyle focused etc.

I hope so, this losing s**t is getting old.

"This losing s**t" is what happens when you have the worst defense in the NFL the year before and one of the lowest ranked offenses the year before. (Due to a lack of talent on both sides of the ball and poor coaching) It's also what happens when Brian Hoyer s**ts the bed. He show3d much better play last season. Enough to be considered a viable bridge QB.

Our 2016 team SUCKED. Baalke put us in a hole with drafts that didn't restock the team with talent. We also had a bunch of players quit or retire over the last few seasons.

The roster at the end of 2016 was nothing close to the roster at the end of 2010. Our 2010 roster had a bunch of good players that had been misused. We just had to add a couple key players and better coaching. The situation in 2017 was entirely different. The 2016 Rams were similar to the 2010 49ers.

Turning this ship around wasn't going to happen in one offseason. WE HAVE BEEN VERY COMPETITIVE IN THREE OF OUR FOUR LOSSES. Games lost by a combined nine points? Bad QB play, drops, penalties, bad calls by refs and very poor defensive play one game vs the Rams. Last year games were over by the third quarter. We were getting blown out. Not this year.

There has been progress on defense. We no longer have the worst defense in the NFL. On offense the biggest issues are QB play, blocking and drops. We can address that by bringing new players in. We couldn't address both defense and offense early in the 2017 draft. We chose to fix the defense. IMO we will focus on offense early in the 2018 draft. Thomas and Foster in the first round was a great. Most everyone in the media agreed with this. We addressed the NFL's worst defense. Especially our run D. We went front 7 and CB with our first three picks. It's obvious Lynch wanted to fix the defense. Shanahan then went offense in the later rounds and did a good job. Beathard, Taylor and Kittle don't seem to be bad picks. Williams hasn't played yet. I'm looking forward to Shanahan's early offensive picks in 2018. I'm also looking forward to Beathard starting a couple games this year. This will eventually happen. He has Alex Smith like potential IMO. He could also bust out. Who knows.

Anyway, if we get Cousins I can see us drafting defense/pass rusher first round but if we don't get Cousins I see us going QB. Maybe Shanahan goes QB late first/early second? Who knows...what I do know is we'll have a new QB on this roster in 2018. If we don't then I'll join the doubters.

If Brian Hoyer is the long term QB for the 49ers I'll be very angry. I don't think that was the plan. I think it's obvious we were waiting for either Cousins or the 2018 draft.


Going in circles and to the point. One offseason is not enough time to address all of the needs this team had. One offseason is not enough time to address all the needs this team had. One offseason isn't enough time to address all of the needs this team had. One offseason was not enough time...
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
The people who cheer for the team when they lose at this point are just smart. we need a high draft pick to continue the building process. especially with a draft class full of ripe QB's for the picking. Period.

Yep.
Cheer to lose is one thing, Looking at the bright-side of losing is another

Cheer to lose is fkn stupid

+1...why even be a fan when you feel good about losing

Because winning 3 or 4 games does what? I want a sustainable winning franchise not a couple lucky wins here and there....best way to get better long-term imo is to draft better players, best odds of getting those type of players is by having higher picks.

I always want to see SF win, but I don't really get upset if they lose right now...I came into this season with the mind set that we just didn't have the talent and knew it would be a total rebuild, starting from the ground floor up.

That meaningless win last season took Garrett off our board. The year before meaningless wins took Goff/Wentz off our board.

If we get a couple meaningless wins this year it will take Rosen/Darnold or any top 3 pass rusher/RB off our board. Talking impact players at the QB/pass rusher positions. QB's and pass rushers are the driving force on most teams and make up the majority of top 3 picks in the modern NFL. If you're not top 3 or even top 2 you have to give up a bunch of picks if you want the best guys. We could've had Garrett if we disnt5win thise Rams games. Even that last Rams game in 2016. What did that win accomplish?

If we were close to being an 8/8 team then wins would matter. Big time. But when you have a lack of talent, especially at the QB/pass rusher spots, early draft picks make a world of difference. Fielding a more competitive team matters. We have been doing that so far this year.

Teams like the Browns simply make poor choices. They could've picked Goff, Wentz etc but chose Kizer. At least they stuck with picking Garrett and he will probably make a big difference on that defense long term.
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.
yup, we didn't win big enough or it wasn't a shutout or some BS he likes to post.

I don't think we get one tho. Brisset is going to run all over us. We just don't have any LBs that can cover
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.

I don't even want us to win. I want the defense to do well but if Hoyer continues to be the main issue it won't bother me very much. He's not the answer at QB. Was never intended to be our FQB.

I'd like to see our defense pressure and sack the QB. I love Gore but I want to see our D stop the run. I'd also like our secondary to play well. Especially our CB's.

If the offense sucks because of Hoyers play that's actually a desirable outcome because we'll likley replace Hoyer with a different QB in 2018 and poor play from Hoyer puts us in a better position to replace him with a much better player.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.
yup, we didn't win big enough or it wasn't a shutout or some BS he likes to post.

I don't think we get one tho. Brisset is going to run all over us. We just don't have any LBs that can cover


Bowman can stop rushing QB's but he does need help. Foster seems great running sideline to sideline. It would be nice to have him back 100%. Heck, it would be nice to have all our defensive starters out there at 100%. Including M Smith at LB. Bowman/Smith/Foster would be interesting. Especially with good play from our safties.
Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.

I don't even want us to win. I want the defense to do well but if Hoyer continues to be the main issue it won't bother me very much. He's not the answer at QB. Was never intended to be our FQB.

I'd like to see our defense pressure and sack the QB. I love Gore but I want to see our D stop the run. I'd also like our secondary to play well. Especially our CB's.

If the offense sucks because of Hoyers play that's actually a desirable outcome because we'll likley replace Hoyer with a different QB in 2018 and poor play from Hoyer puts us in a better position to replace him with a much better player.
You should hope the OL doesn't gel for this game then.
Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're going to win and then cc is going to wake up from the matrix

Nah him and sus will invest the whole week saying we still suck.
yup, we didn't win big enough or it wasn't a shutout or some BS he likes to post.

I don't think we get one tho. Brisset is going to run all over us. We just don't have any LBs that can cover


Bowman can stop rushing QB's but he does need help. Foster seems great running sideline to sideline. It would be nice to have him back 100%. Heck, it would be nice to have all our defensive starters out there at 100%. Including M Smith at LB. Bowman/Smith/Foster would be interesting. Especially with good play from our safties.
unless Bowman is a spy then maybe. but if not a the play gets broken sending Brissett to scramble
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how about we go 0-16 the next 3 years ? man then we can really do something. im sure everyone will enjoy those years

if you dont win games you still don't have the guys to win later

No one is saying go 0-16 the next three years, are they? I most certainly am not...I fully expected this team to be s**tty this yr for a number of reasons. I want this team to get a FQB and the best possibly way is thru the draft (unless they can get Kirk). IF anyone thought they'd be more than what they currently are well you're simply not realistic.

Since this staff came in all I've been preaching is wanting to see individual growth, actually not being last in every statistical category, and play competitive football...which is what I'm seeing.

I DO expect to see some wins next yr that's for sure. SO Like I said I could careless about wining 3 meaningless games this yr, do I want them to win? For sure, but I'm not gonna b***h about a loss too much this yr.
Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
The people who cheer for the team when they lose at this point are just smart. we need a high draft pick to continue the building process. especially with a draft class full of ripe QB's for the picking. Period.

Yep.
Cheer to lose is one thing, Looking at the bright-side of losing is another

Cheer to lose is fkn stupid

+1...why even be a fan when you feel good about losing

Because winning 3 or 4 games does what? I want a sustainable winning franchise not a couple lucky wins here and there....best way to get better long-term imo is to draft better players, best odds of getting those type of players is by having higher picks.

I always want to see SF win, but I don't really get upset if they lose right now...I came into this season with the mind set that we just didn't have the talent and knew it would be a total rebuild, starting from the ground floor up.

That meaningless win last season took Garrett off our board. The year before meaningless wins took Goff/Wentz off our board.

If we get a couple meaningless wins this year it will take Rosen/Darnold or any top 3 pass rusher/RB off our board. Talking impact players at the QB/pass rusher positions. QB's and pass rushers are the driving force on most teams and make up the majority of top 3 picks in the modern NFL. If you're not top 3 or even top 2 you have to give up a bunch of picks if you want the best guys. We could've had Garrett if we disnt5win thise Rams games. Even that last Rams game in 2016. What did that win accomplish?

If we were close to being an 8/8 team then wins would matter. Big time. But when you have a lack of talent, especially at the QB/pass rusher spots, early draft picks make a world of difference. Fielding a more competitive team matters. We have been doing that so far this year.

Teams like the Browns simply make poor choices. They could've picked Goff, Wentz etc but chose Kizer. At least they stuck with picking Garrett and he will probably make a big difference on that defense long term.

Couldn't agree more! Thank you.

Anyone still talking about that sweet victory over the Rams in week 16 last yr lol

I'd rather be talking about playoff wins and such and like you said that s**t isn't gonna happen when you keep missing out on chances at getting impact players.

Perfect example is the Bills....constantly going 7-9, 6-10, or 5-11 and missing out on a top end QBs.

This rebuild should have started in 2015, but Baalke was too stubborn (and just bad at his job) to hit the button and bring in a capable staff. It's now 2017 and FINALLY we're starting fresh, that s**t takes time. Fans need to realize that. We're starting from nothing basically.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how about we go 0-16 the next 3 years ? man then we can really do something. im sure everyone will enjoy those years

if you dont win games you still don't have the guys to win later

No one is saying go 0-16 the next three years, are they? I most certainly am not...I fully expected this team to be s**tty this yr for a number of reasons. I want this team to get a FQB and the best possibly way is thru the draft (unless they can get Kirk). IF anyone thought they'd be more than what they currently are well you're simply not realistic.

Since this staff came in all I've been preaching is wanting to see individual growth, actually not being last in every statistical category, and play competitive football...which is what I'm seeing.

I DO expect to see some wins next yr that's for sure. SO Like I said I could careless about wining 3 meaningless games this yr, do I want them to win? For sure, but I'm not gonna b***h about a loss too much this yr.
winning two games last year had people pissed, So what would people be like if we won the same or more ?

for me i rather get wins to build off. means less holes to fill and carries some momentum.

Right now we have a gelling issue. would you be upset is we were 3-1 right now
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