Are the Niners improving? | Page 4

Mertonschickendance · 2017-09-23T13:06:37-07:00

There's been a lot of talk/debate regarding if the team is improving or not. So far the positives have been run defense - we're no longer as atrocious as 2016. In one offseason this has improved drastically. Offense - especially the run game appears improved. We've seen flashes of the pass game (3rd preseason game, I know its just preseason) but also vs the rams. With a competent QB. Most importantly the team appears to be competing. Last year a double digit deficit and players seemed to mail it to in. So, despite what the record shows - I think the team has improved a lot - as we plug in more needs (especially QB and pass rusher) hopefully next year will start translating in the W/L column. I'd love to hear the stance to the contrary, if any....

Sep 24, 2017 at 5:08 PM

#46

NCommand
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Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
No question.

Thursday night games are weird so let's see if our defense gets back closer to the first two weeks and let's see if the offense is sparked a bit and plays closer to 20+ points a game now.

I think the defense on Thursday will be the norm until they get healthy

God I hope not... they looked tired to me.

But that might be a reality

Sep 24, 2017 at 6:05 PM

#47

brodiebluebanaszak
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Its the tape. its starting to come in.

Sep 24, 2017 at 6:18 PM

#48

15crabtree
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No sos I don't care what people say but if Kyle is a qb guru he could have actually work with Kaep .but I know he opted out .personel wise hell no .for a offensive minded coach we still have the same issues no wr after we traded down Corey David should have been our 1st pick .we still need a pass rush .i understand raw talent but that should be picked in round 4-7 ..different general manager but the same results.

Sep 24, 2017 at 6:47 PM

#49

zonkers
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The offense is improving.
I'm not sure about the defense yet.

Sep 24, 2017 at 8:48 PM

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Originally posted by wailers15:
Yes. I think there has been great improvements in certain areas.

I think the defense is much better. I'm not really worried about their Thursday night performance. It's pretty much what I expected from this young team. They played a hell of a game against Seattle and they were obviously tired and thin on the depth chart. A lot of mental mistakes. I think the next Rams game will be better with a week to prep. This team is just not built for these stupid Thursday games.

I may be one of the few but I like the defensive scheme. The hybrid 4-3 4-4 is great. It is effective. We just are lacking talent and that will be fixed soon. Once Foster is healthy and back I think we will start seeing it.

The team seems to play with more grit and that has to be because of the change in atmosphere.

On the O Side:
We have a lot of holes to fill especially on the O-Line. Center and RG especially. I like this Tomlinson kid and want to see more. He could be a nice fit. He's new though.
Brown is young and shows at time. Definitely will get there.. I hope.
Time to start looking at a replacement for Staley too. He's showing his age a lot, & seems to get beat a lot more than he should be.

Would be nice to see the WR's & TE catch the ball more consistently.

Thin at the RB spot. I really like Barkley and he would be fun to watch as a Niner. I would love to see Hyde play a full season.

Obviously Hoyer is not a long term solution but he's the perfect QB to get us until we upgrade at that spot. He's been tossed around before so he should have the mental strength to endure the sh-tstorm.

Even though we haven't won it's been more enjoyable to watch than it has been the last two years

Good post. Keep in mind we were severely handicapped last 2 yrs with first mangini, and then JoN. With a new HC every yr for 4 yrs, that pretty much goes along with new DCs, and that was us. So the bar is low for Saleh. Taht said, i really like him. We need more talent, but when Reuben is back, watch us get way better.

[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Sep 24, 2017 at 8:50 PM ]

Sep 24, 2017 at 9:16 PM

#51

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Originally posted by 15crabtree:
No sos I don't care what people say but if Kyle is a qb guru he could have actually work with Kaep .but I know he opted out .personel wise hell no .for a offensive minded coach we still have the same issues no wr after we traded down Corey David should have been our 1st pick .we still need a pass rush .i understand raw talent but that should be picked in round 4-7 ..different general manager but the same results.

Our number 1 receiver just had 7 catches for 142 yards in his latest game.

Sep 24, 2017 at 9:41 PM

#52

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Loved how they played, with that bite in their sting, great game great comeback! Almost.

Sep 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM

#53

Mertonschickendance
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Its the tape. its starting to come in.

3 weeks in and consensus is we're showing signs of improvement.

Let's see how it goes with more time

Sep 24, 2017 at 11:59 PM

#54

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Mid-season Thursday games never bring the typical performance. I guess we'll find out next week.

Sep 25, 2017 at 12:05 AM

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Sep 25, 2017 at 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by zonkers:
The offense is improving.
I'm not sure about the defense yet.

It's kind of hard to improve when your three most impactful players so far this season are not playing. If you haven't noticed Eric Reid tart and Reuben Foster make more impact than anybody when on the field. Even though it's a small sample size it's kind of obvious they're all over the place and just about in on every play. Until they come back it's not going to be easy to improve

Sep 25, 2017 at 6:39 AM

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no they are not improving.. they are unable to put together any sort of a decent game together on both sides of the ball. the same issues we had in pre season continue, no one needs to be fired but lynch, despite his sexy interviews. is in over his head as well as our coach jr. in my opinion. sorry fans. you do not want to hear negatives about your team but no need to be in denial either

Sep 25, 2017 at 6:50 AM

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Too early to tell. Defense got better after week one then got worse after week two. Offense got worse after week one and much better after week two.

Sep 25, 2017 at 6:55 AM

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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Too early to tell. Defense got better after week one then got worse after week two. Offense got worse after week one and much better after week two.

Pretty typically of a young team rebuilding. Hopefully, eventually, we'll be able to put 4 quarters together and a complete game for all 3 phrases of the game. I don't expect that until 4Q though.

Sep 25, 2017 at 7:00 AM

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Have to say "Yes". Two reasons:

1) Run defense
2) Contemporary offense that really flashes at times.

Patience is key this year. (I have to preach this to MYSELF every game day!)