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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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Originally posted by Niners816:
Please explain.....is it the sitting on the sideline and letting a decade and half HC run 50% of the game? Or is it having one of the best young offensive personnell roster in the league that makes him a true leader. The fact that you act like you can make statements like this based on that last game is laughable.


I think the results speak for themselves. In addition to that, McVay just has a presence and intensity to him that players respond to. You make fun of McVay for actually doing something on the sidelines to try and help his team win, but most head coaches (Shanahan included) just stand on the sideline looking confused and bewildered while the game goes on.
[ Edited by AlexCat49er on Sep 29, 2017 at 12:26 PM ]
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Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Sigh, if only we had hired McVay instead of Shanahan. Both are great offensive minds, but this game showed the difference between a true leader and a nerd who connects with X's and O's better than actual players.
I can see how both are viewed as offensive minds, but I don't see how this one game showed that Kyle is just Xs and Os while McVay is "a true leader". McVay has the benefit of getting off to a 2-1 start and things are most likely good in that locker room. Kyle has to deal with an 0-3 start and has a lot of HCing to do (non X&Os stuff) to keep this 49er team focused.
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
I think the results speak for themselves.

Then explain it.....
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Sigh, if only we had hired McVay instead of Shanahan. Both are great offensive minds, but this game showed the difference between a true leader and a nerd who connects with X's and O's better than actual players.
I can see how both are viewed as offensive minds, but I don't see how this one game showed that Kyle is just Xs and Os while McVay is "a true leader". McVay has the benefit of getting off to a 2-1 start and things are most likely good in that locker room. Kyle has to deal with an 0-3 start and has a lot of HCing to do (non X&Os stuff) to keep this 49er team focused.

#b******tnarratives that aren't based in the real world.
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Sigh, if only we had hired McVay instead of Shanahan. Both are great offensive minds, but this game showed the difference between a true leader and a nerd who connects with X's and O's better than actual players.
I can see how both are viewed as offensive minds, but I don't see how this one game showed that Kyle is just Xs and Os while McVay is "a true leader". McVay has the benefit of getting off to a 2-1 start and things are most likely good in that locker room. Kyle has to deal with an 0-3 start and has a lot of HCing to do (non X&Os stuff) to keep this 49er team focused.

#b******tnarratives that aren't based in the real world.
So far the Rams beat the Colts (bad team), played the Redskins close (loss), then beat the 49ers in a close game. Nice 2-1 record but they beat the Colts and the 49ers - two bad teams. Things are looking up for them but I wouldn't go as far as to say McVay is "a true leader". If they hit a patch where they lose 3-4 straight, we'll see how McVay is as a leader.
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
I think the results speak for themselves.

The results are that the Rams beat two teams that they should have beaten. They simply have a more talented roster at this point in time. Lets see where these two teams are at in two years time before trying to argue who should habe been hired.
KOriginally posted by AlexCat49er:
Sigh, if only we had hired McVay instead of Shanahan. Both are great offensive minds, but this game showed the difference between a true leader and a nerd who connects with X's and O's better than actual players.

How exactly is Mcvay leading his team while he is sitting on a Gatorade bucket drawing up offensive plays all while the defense is on the field? Who is making the decision to call timeouts or challenge's not him he is to busy drawing up plays. He looks more like a over hyped offensive coordinator than a legitimate head coach.
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KOriginally posted by AlexCat49er:
Sigh, if only we had hired McVay instead of Shanahan. Both are great offensive minds, but this game showed the difference between a true leader and a nerd who connects with X's and O's better than actual players.

How exactly is Mcvay leading his team while he is sitting on a Gatorade bucket drawing up offensive plays all while the defense is on the field? Who is making the decision to call timeouts or challenge's not him he is to busy drawing up plays. He looks more like a over hyped offensive coordinator than a legitimate head coach.

Agreed. There will be a time where that comes back to bite him. Kyle may have too much on his plate too, but at least we know he has knowledge on both sides of the ball. Wade Phillips as D.C. allows McVay to not pay attention, but if he leaves then what?
Originally posted by thl408:
So far the Rams beat the Colts (bad team), played the Redskins close (loss), then beat the 49ers in a close game. Nice 2-1 record but they beat the Colts and the 49ers - two bad teams. Things are looking up for them but I wouldn't go as far as to say McVay is "a true leader". If they hit a patch where they lose 3-4 straight, we'll see how McVay is as a leader.

That's why it's hilarious to me that these grand proclaimations are being made one way or the other based on 3 freaking games. Imo, that's a novice level approach to watching and understanding football.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
So far the Rams beat the Colts (bad team), played the Redskins close (loss), then beat the 49ers in a close game. Nice 2-1 record but they beat the Colts and the 49ers - two bad teams. Things are looking up for them but I wouldn't go as far as to say McVay is "a true leader". If they hit a patch where they lose 3-4 straight, we'll see how McVay is as a leader.

That's why it's hilarious to me that these grand proclaimations are being made one way or the other based on 3 freaking games. Imo, that's a novice level approach to watching and understanding football.
its just a post to rile people up. notice how he doesn't comeback and explain ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
its just a post to rile people up. notice how he doesn't comeback and explain ?

I'm sure he's bounced to a couple of other threads by now stating the same narratives.
Originally posted by Niners816:
That's why it's hilarious to me that these grand proclaimations are being made one way or the other based on 3 freaking games. Imo, that's a novice level approach to watching and understanding football.

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I really think That Rashard will be turn it around during the latter part of the season. He is taking all of his lumps now and fans are giving him heat, but I think he has the right attitude to make sure it doesn't go into his head. I don't think he will develop into a shutdown corner, but I do think he can be a top 15 corner at the least.

As for Dontae, he should be better than what he has been showing. He has been in the league too long to not be our best corner in this very young group.

D-line is excellent at run defense and I only see flashes at pass rushing at the most. Buckner is our best player on that group and he will start racking up sacks once the d-line starts clicking together.

Bow... I miss the old you but that isn't your fault and I can tell that you are really trying but I don't see you getting back to your old form, but still a good player and a great mentor for Reuben, who I hope is back by the Indy game. Ray Ray can make wow plays and wtf plays all in one drive. But he is a backup for a reason and I think he is doing meh as a fill in for foster.

I think our line is really fortunate to have staley and brown, the interior line is really inconsistent and after a pretty good performance against a damn good seattle fron, they got dismantled by the one man wrecking crew of donald. Really wish we had garnett so we couldve seen if he was good or we can move on from him.

Rbs are showing that they can move in this offense. Hyde has been proving me wrong but hes injured yet again. Breida looks like a perfect change of pace back but he has some iffy hands. As for Mostert, meh.

This wr group is one of the more exciting ones in recent memory. garcon is another Boldin, Goodwin needs to get hands but he is still such a threat deep, and taylor looks like he will be a 75+ catch a year guy.

Hoyer is exactly who I thought he was going to be. Hes a journey man for a reason and you can see by some of the bonehead plays he had but there is a reason why kyle likes him and you see how effective he can be when he turns it on. But I expect Beathard to start a game or 5 later on in the season.

Overall, we've seen good performances on both sides of the ball, but on different games. Now I hope we can put it together against arizona.

Oh, and special teams is looking great so far.
Well, nobody likes a loss, especially when it's a close one that you get emotionally invested in. Overall, it was a rough game on both sides. We had an opportunity to steal on in the desert from a team that was down some O-lineman and we just had too many self inflicted wounds.

It was one of those games where you can't really put blame on one or two players or one or two plays. When you get down into the 11 yard line then have an unnecessary penalty on a TD pass followed by a sack and you have 2nd and 30 from the 31 you're not doing yourself any favors.

I will say when you have widespread fails you have to lay the blame at the feet of the coach. However, that doesn't mean Shanahan is unqualified or isn't building good things or isn't the right guy. Just means he's learning and we have a young/talent depleted team. The drops raised their ugly head once again.

Upon further review, I don't think Hoyer had as bad of a game as I thought he did after watching it live. Though, he missed some HUGE opportunities in the game, one in OT that would've sealed the game. But, you can't cry over spilled milk.

Offense:
OL - I thought the O-line played well for the most part. They were facing a tenacious like again and were up and down in the run game but held up well considering the amount of pressure ARI likes to bring in the passing game.

WR - We missed Goodwin after he went out and A. Robinson was up and down. He made some nice plays but we really need a dependable #1 or #2 receiver. P. Peterson blanketed Garcon most of the game and with Goodwin down it was up to Robinson to make some plays and he made some and didn't make others.

RB - You could see a difference in talent when Hyde was on the field. He's one of those upper echelon talents who I would put up with Ezekiel Elliot or Gurley as far as running talent. There were some plays where he got 4 yards when there didn't look like any to be had.

Defense:
Overall I thought they played well. Though, when you're playing a team down 3 lineman you should look decent. Though, ARI has some weapons in the passing game.

I thought Bow played his best game. It looked like they moved him to the "WILL" in passing situations because of Ray Ray's mistakes. I thought Ward played a poor game. He didn't hold up in man-coverage when tasked for that and gave up the game winning TD. The TD I'll give him that he missed all of TC, but that's what I was worried about when he missed all that time. He's playing a new position in a new defense and that play showed it.

Anyway, on to some breakdowns. I'll throw a couple up but then won't have any until this evening as I'm headed out of town to Gulf Shores Alabama once again(my wife and I won a 3 night stay at da beach!!! yay for us....)
Thanks for all your hard work, it is always a learning thread.
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