49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:

Johnnyd, THL, can you attest to this? I am very concerned about our offensive line. As pumped as we have been of our team, there are players on the other side of that line just as good or better that will be trying to stop us or score against us. I just feel that if we really look at it, we have a lot of holes.

Our RT is a rookie. He has holes and will not be dominating early on. If he does, then we have a HOFer. None of our RB's have proven to be able to consistently move the sticks on 1st and 2nd downs to be semi workhorses. I do feel our QB and the combination of our WR's can be successful but Jimmy G has been pressured often...he's just able to overcome it.

I really like our DBs, MLB, and DeFo, but teams have been able to move the ball on us so far.

You can view for your own in this Twitter video breakdown, the good and the bad.

Post #9930: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/181925-49ers-offensive-line/page662/

Originally posted by Joecool:
We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:
We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

What part of 'way ahead on the rebuild' in my statement was unclear? I agree with you, and it seems we are on a great upward curve. I always look from a positive perspective I guess. Makes life more enjoyable.

Looking at some of these lists of top 10 at their position tells me NT needs to watch other teams more often.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Depending on the state of your franchise when commencing said rebuild and if things in the draft and FA fall your way, sure.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:

We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Not every rebuild is equal though. And there are different strategies involved as well. Because it CAN happen in two years doesn't mean it will always happen in two years. I always ask everyone that pints that out to bane lbs team that has had to turn over their entire roster in two years and that went anywhere the second year. I am still waiting for a response to that. From anyone.

Garoppolo's release, meanwhile, features a stationary back foot; rather than forcefully stepping into throws, he creates torque with his upper body and hips. "All the great dropback quarterbacks, that, to me, is an absolute," Shanahan says. "You've got to be able to play like that and throw like that."

As Shanahan explains the difference, he gets out of the chair in his office and mimics a violent twist involving his torso. He notes that by throwing from a stationary position, QBs are able to elude interior linemen who wreak havoc in a crumbling pocket. "Anyone who doesn't throw like that, they're going to blame the O-line all year," Shanahan says. "I'm not going to name 100 quarterbacks who are like that, but their O-lines are always not good. The guys who can throw like this, when the O-line's bad, as long as you have good people out on routes, you can get rid of it."

Shots fired by Kyle to our former franchise qb

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:

We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Not every rebuild is equal though. And there are different strategies involved as well. Because it CAN happen in two years doesn't mean it will always happen in two years. I always ask everyone that pints that out to bane lbs team that has had to turn over their entire roster in two years and that went anywhere the second year. I am still waiting for a response to that. From anyone.

A surprise rebuild in this era is a one year turnaround because at least one team does that every year. A reasonable complete rebuild is 2 years and at the most 3 years.

Any longer than 3 years in this era is not a good sign because just when you think your drafted players are ready, your veterans or the players you drafted 3 years ago only have one more year on their contract. Now you are looking at going into the 4th year trying to decide who you want to keep while making the playoffs for the first time the previous year. This is a fail.

With free agency and picking high 3 straight years, this roster does not look very promising in the offensive skill positions and in the fronts.

We have what seems to be our QB, but we do not have any freak talent besides Foster and DeFo. That's not a good sign.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Garoppolo's release, meanwhile, features a stationary back foot; rather than forcefully stepping into throws, he creates torque with his upper body and hips. "All the great dropback quarterbacks, that, to me, is an absolute," Shanahan says. "You've got to be able to play like that and throw like that."

As Shanahan explains the difference, he gets out of the chair in his office and mimics a violent twist involving his torso. He notes that by throwing from a stationary position, QBs are able to elude interior linemen who wreak havoc in a crumbling pocket. "Anyone who doesn't throw like that, they're going to blame the O-line all year," Shanahan says. "I'm not going to name 100 quarterbacks who are like that, but their O-lines are always not good. The guys who can throw like this, when the O-line's bad, as long as you have good people out on routes, you can get rid of it."

Shots fired by Kyle to our former franchise qb

This is 100% true. QBs who don't have the hips slightly twisting toward as their arm is caulking back are not able to throw it in a tight and quick motion AND get serious zip on the ball. These QBs, like Beathard, are also not able to get a quick throw with zip while scrambling.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Depending on the state of your franchise when commencing said rebuild and if things in the draft and FA fall your way, sure.

This, the rebuild needed when Harbaugh got hired was more due to bad coaching in the past.... I mean, that team once went 8-8 with Singletary and his monolithic coaching staff and started off with two picks in the first round. The current rebuild was not only coaching staff but an entire rebuild of a depleted roster, similar to the post-Garcia days.

Once they paid JG the tone turned into more of a "win now" mode but it looks as if the FO is unwilling to compromise their future for the sake of pass rush this year. Basically still looking at it as year 2 of the rebuild. Get JG his protectors, add some weapons and put the new god-king in the best position this year to maximize their return. The pass rush is gonna suck but if the trade off is a higher % that JG stays healthy with his new weapons then it makes sense. Then go hard at the available FA's or draftees next offseason to address the passrush.

Protect your 137mil FQB and improve the run game to help take pressures off him in 1 pick— McG. How does that not make mores sense than any other option

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:

We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Not every rebuild is equal though. And there are different strategies involved as well. Because it CAN happen in two years doesn't mean it will always happen in two years. I always ask everyone that pints that out to bane lbs team that has had to turn over their entire roster in two years and that went anywhere the second year. I am still waiting for a response to that. From anyone.

A surprise rebuild in this era is a one year turnaround because at least one team does that every year. A reasonable complete rebuild is 2 years and at the most 3 years.

Any longer than 3 years in this era is not a good sign because just when you think your drafted players are ready, your veterans or the players you drafted 3 years ago only have one more year on their contract. Now you are looking at going into the 4th year trying to decide who you want to keep while making the playoffs for the first time the previous year. This is a fail.

With free agency and picking high 3 straight years, this roster does not look very promising in the offensive skill positions and in the fronts.

We have what seems to be our QB, but we do not have any freak talent besides Foster and DeFo. That's not a good sign.

Once again I see a post dancing around the question. Which team has ever turned over their entire roster and has been successful in year two? No one ever answers that. Because it's never been done. We were not a typical rebuild. Most of those teams had way more talent than we did.

I have maintained since the hiring of Lynch and Shanahan that we would not see the real 49'ers come out of the ashes until 2019.

And instead of focusing on freak talent look at the entire roster, the drafting and instead of worrying about guts we drafted in year one being gone in four years, look at the model they are setting for future success. Do you think they will quit drafting talent going forward and coaching up rookies?

This isn't a one time, one shot philosophy I am seeing play out, unlike the Rams.

i think alot of fans here are underestimating the rams. i do not think they are in the mindset that they are going all in this year and then just bow to the niners for the next five years.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:
We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Perspective is everything in life. While your posts are concentrating on the positions that still need upgrading, or are question marks, I choose to focus on just STARTING the 2nd year of what was expected to be a lengthy rebuild. From my pov we are so far ahead of where I expected to be this time last year that I can't help but feel great. I get that you were probably just stirring the pot a bit for debates sake, and that is cool (joecool). But a good dose of perspective will make things look very good right about now imo.

I would agree with you if this were 25 or so years ago. In this era, a rebuild can happen in 2 years. If it takes 4 years, then we have problems because our players from 4 years ago will be too old or near the end of their contract and we must decide to reup them on a team where they have not helped get into the playoffs.

Not every rebuild is equal though. And there are different strategies involved as well. Because it CAN happen in two years doesn't mean it will always happen in two years. I always ask everyone that pints that out to bane lbs team that has had to turn over their entire roster in two years and that went anywhere the second year. I am still waiting for a response to that. From anyone.

A surprise rebuild in this era is a one year turnaround because at least one team does that every year. A reasonable complete rebuild is 2 years and at the most 3 years.

Any longer than 3 years in this era is not a good sign because just when you think your drafted players are ready, your veterans or the players you drafted 3 years ago only have one more year on their contract. Now you are looking at going into the 4th year trying to decide who you want to keep while making the playoffs for the first time the previous year. This is a fail.

With free agency and picking high 3 straight years, this roster does not look very promising in the offensive skill positions and in the fronts.

We have what seems to be our QB, but we do not have any freak talent besides Foster and DeFo. That's not a good sign.

Once again I see a post dancing around the question. Which team has ever turned over their entire roster and has been successful in year two? No one ever answers that. Because it's never been done. We were not a typical rebuild. Most of those teams had way more talent than we did.

I have maintained since the hiring of Lynch and Shanahan that we would not see the real 49'ers come out of the ashes until 2019.

And instead of focusing on freak talent look at the entire roster, the drafting and instead of worrying about guts we drafted in year one being gone in four years, look at the model they are setting for future success. Do you think they will quit drafting talent going forward and coaching up rookies?

This isn't a one time, one shot philosophy I am seeing play out, unlike the Rams.

That's because we didn't turn over our entire roster.