49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Niners99:
The crazy thing is, had Kyle Shanahan gone conservative in the Super Bowl and burned clocked with a big lead, the Falcons likely win in a route. Brady looks old, and the image of him diving into a faceplant going after his pick 6 defines his Super Bowl.

The Patriots maybe then decide that Brady is mortal, and probably is nearing the end. They then choose to keep Garoppolo to carry on the torch, and trade Brady away.

So in a way, Kyle Shanahan's fateful playcalling strategy possibly ended up netting him his future franchise QB.

Yeah, if Brady loses the last Superbowl, Tom's traded, and Jimmy leads New England to 19-0 this season. Brady beating Montana's ring count was the best thing to happen to us. The bad karma we've grieved over passing Tom in the draft has finally mended. Everything is full circle. The solar eclipse decided it.

Let's say we are in that same situation next year in the Super Bowl. Would you rather have the ball in Jimmy Gs hands or Hydes?

Let's hope we have a defense that's better than Atlanta's! That's for sure!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
We had a very conservative and safe style of offense. It was running game and defense, as well as Alex taking care of the ball. Did we ever rank top 20 in offense with Harbaugh? we were always top 5 almost every category on Defense

Not just the yards. They were consistently inept in the red zone and on 3rd down, the most important metrics of an offense. When the Harbaugh offense faced a 3rd and 7 you knew the 9ers would be punting shortly. You see the same issues happening at Michigan.

Yup, the Bo Shembechler run first offense. I was totally frustrated with that. You can't overpower people at the NFL level, you have to trick them.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

We had a very conservative and safe style of offense. It was running game and defense, as well as Alex taking care of the ball. Did we ever rank top 20 in offense with Harbaugh? we were always top 5 almost every category on Defense

Not just the yards. They were consistently inept in the red zone and on 3rd down, the most important metrics of an offense. When the Harbaugh offense faced a 3rd and 7 you knew the 9ers would be punting shortly. You see the same issues happening at Michigan.

Yup, the Bo Shembechler run first offense. I was totally frustrated with that. You can't overpower people at the NFL level, you have to trick them.

Strength and tricks, or power and scheme. Must have both but the HC must know when and where to use going into each game. That's what make Walsh WCO so good. The opponents coming out losers thinking they got tricked, when in reality they got manhandled mentally and physically.

I see Shanny the same way

Good qb play is the best way to be a contender for a decade. I'll take that over a great d even if the d gives you better year to year odds.

Shanny and Jimmy G is a match made in Heaven.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Niners99:

The crazy thing is, had Kyle Shanahan gone conservative in the Super Bowl and burned clocked with a big lead, the Falcons likely win in a route. Brady looks old, and the image of him diving into a faceplant going after his pick 6 defines his Super Bowl.

The Patriots maybe then decide that Brady is mortal, and probably is nearing the end. They then choose to keep Garoppolo to carry on the torch, and trade Brady away.

So in a way, Kyle Shanahan's fateful playcalling strategy possibly ended up netting him his future franchise QB.

Yeah, if Brady loses the last Superbowl, Tom's traded, and Jimmy leads New England to 19-0 this season. Brady beating Montana's ring count was the best thing to happen to us. The bad karma we've grieved over passing Tom in the draft has finally mended. Everything is full circle. The solar eclipse decided it.

Let's say we are in that same situation next year in the Super Bowl. Would you rather have the ball in Jimmy Gs hands or Hydes?

It would be Breida because Hyde was hurt and out of the game and Kilgore was playing on one leg (almost literally).

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
We had a very conservative and safe style of offense. It was running game and defense, as well as Alex taking care of the ball. Did we ever rank top 20 in offense with Harbaugh? we were always top 5 almost every category on Defense

Not just the yards. They were consistently inept in the red zone and on 3rd down, the most important metrics of an offense. When the Harbaugh offense faced a 3rd and 7 you knew the 9ers would be punting shortly. You see the same issues happening at Michigan.

Yup, the Bo Shembechler run first offense. I was totally frustrated with that. You can't overpower people at the NFL level, you have to trick them.

Strength and tricks, or power and scheme. Must have both but the HC must know when and where to use going into each game. That's what make Walsh WCO so good. The opponents coming out losers thinking they got tricked, when in reality they got manhandled mentally and physically.

I see Shanny the same way

Good point, I agree. Maybe you can manhandle the Browns or the Bears, but not teams like the Jags or Vikings. Those teams you have to fool.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Good qb play is the best way to be a contender for a decade. I'll take that over a great d even if the d gives you better year to year odds.

Shanny and Jimmy G is a match made in Heaven.

I'd take a great QB, good receivers, good RBs, and an elite Defense any time. That equals 2 super bowls. '84 niners had a 15th ranked passing attack and nearly had a perfect season. the '81 niners had Dwight and Solomon and a below average Patton as the RB and had an elite defense, 13-3 and a super bowl win. Good offense + outstanding defense = super bowl win. An extreme case is Baltimore in 2000, Dilfer and a 20th ranked offense + lights out defense = Super bowl win.

Defense wins super bowls.

Look what we just did to the Jaguars and compare it to how Harbaugh's teams played the Seahawks. It's the difference between a good and great scheme.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Look what we just did to the Jaguars and compare it to how Harbaugh's teams played the Seahawks. It's the difference between a good and great scheme.

I blame Baalke more than Harbaugh for those losses to Seadderall. When we had Delanie and Vernon we won those games with Seadderall. The TE really can carve up the 4-3 under if you have a great one, or a couple of good ones. That's the weakness of that scheme. When Baalke let Delanie walk, that was the end of our offensive effectiveness against that team. I think Baalke is the one that destroyed this franchise. Harbaugh - if given the chance - would have had us in the playoff hunt. But yeah, right this minute, I'd rather have Kyle's offense and his mind than Harbaugh's rah rah. Nothing wrong with Rah rah, but I think good scheme is more consistent in getting wins than rah rah. Remember those Win win win loss patterns? I think that's because of Jim's Rah rah style. Kyle's style is - 4 straight wins now? That's the difference between Rah rah and a guy that knows X's and O's.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I blame Baalke more than Harbaugh for those losses to Seadderall. When we had Delanie and Vernon we won those games with Seadderall. The TE really can carve up the 4-3 under if you have a great one, or a couple of good ones. That's the weakness of that scheme. When Baalke let Delanie walk, that was the end of our offensive effectiveness against that team. I think Baalke is the one that destroyed this franchise. Harbaugh - if given the chance - would have had us in the playoff hunt. But yeah, right this minute, I'd rather have Kyle's offense and his mind than Harbaugh's rah rah. Nothing wrong with Rah rah, but I think good scheme is more consistent in getting wins than rah rah. Remember those Win win win loss patterns? I think that's because of Jim's Rah rah style. Kyle's style is - 4 straight wins now? That's the difference between Rah rah and a guy that knows X's and O's.

They got absolutely trounced in late 2012. Vernon got his manhood knocked out of him in that game. The 49ers best success against Seattle came when Russell Wilson wasn't even on the team.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I blame Baalke more than Harbaugh for those losses to Seadderall. When we had Delanie and Vernon we won those games with Seadderall. The TE really can carve up the 4-3 under if you have a great one, or a couple of good ones. That's the weakness of that scheme. When Baalke let Delanie walk, that was the end of our offensive effectiveness against that team. I think Baalke is the one that destroyed this franchise. Harbaugh - if given the chance - would have had us in the playoff hunt. But yeah, right this minute, I'd rather have Kyle's offense and his mind than Harbaugh's rah rah. Nothing wrong with Rah rah, but I think good scheme is more consistent in getting wins than rah rah. Remember those Win win win loss patterns? I think that's because of Jim's Rah rah style. Kyle's style is - 4 straight wins now? That's the difference between Rah rah and a guy that knows X's and O's.

They got absolutely trounced in late 2012. Vernon got his manhood knocked out of him in that game. The 49ers best success against Seattle came when Russell Wilson wasn't even on the team.

If I remember correctly, Delanie got injured. Jaw broken or something like that. It really hurts a run dominated offense if one of your prime targets as a pass receiver gets hurt, and also he's a blocker on the run game.

Originally posted by Giedi:
If I remember correctly, Delanie got injured. Jaw broken or something like that. It really hurts a run dominated offense if one of your prime targets as a pass receiver gets hurt, and also he's a blocker on the run game.

Both Delanie and Vernon played in that game. They got the hell beat out of them on offense, defense and special teams. That was a brutal game.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
If I remember correctly, Delanie got injured. Jaw broken or something like that. It really hurts a run dominated offense if one of your prime targets as a pass receiver gets hurt, and also he's a blocker on the run game.

Both Delanie and Vernon played in that game. They got the hell beat out of them on offense, defense and special teams. That was a brutal game.

Delanie was injured in 2011

Originally posted by Giedi:

I blame Baalke more than Harbaugh for those losses to Seadderall. When we had Delanie and Vernon we won those games with Seadderall. The TE really can carve up the 4-3 under if you have a great one, or a couple of good ones. That's the weakness of that scheme. When Baalke let Delanie walk, that was the end of our offensive effectiveness against that team. I think Baalke is the one that destroyed this franchise. Harbaugh - if given the chance - would have had us in the playoff hunt. But yeah, right this minute, I'd rather have Kyle's offense and his mind than Harbaugh's rah rah. Nothing wrong with Rah rah, but I think good scheme is more consistent in getting wins than rah rah. Remember those Win win win loss patterns? I think that's because of Jim's Rah rah style. Kyle's style is - 4 straight wins now? That's the difference between Rah rah and a guy that knows X's and O's.

The 9ers were never effective under Harbaugh against Seattle. I don't believe the offense ever got to 25 against them. Kyle just hung up 37 on Jax.

I haven't seen anything on the NFL level from Harbaugh that would indicate that he would've kept 9ers a playoff contender. 8-8 7-9 area isn't really in the playoff hunt to me.

When the offense is bad on 3rd downs outside of qb scrambles and bad in red zone it's going to make it tough to consistently win.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
If I remember correctly, Delanie got injured. Jaw broken or something like that. It really hurts a run dominated offense if one of your prime targets as a pass receiver gets hurt, and also he's a blocker on the run game.

Both Delanie and Vernon played in that game. They got the hell beat out of them on offense, defense and special teams. That was a brutal game.

Well, they were a good team back then, now they are in decline. Point being a great TE or a good *pair* of TE will give that 4-3 under defense problems. Harbaugh's scheme's were never pass first offense with all the multiple variations that Kyle Shanahan's offense offered. Harbaugh really needed superior physical players that could dominate the point of attack and run the Bo Shembechler offense, and I think Baalke was trying to draft a WCO style type offense. On top of that he was a terrible judge of talent. They were never on the same page and the result was a mis-match of players for Harbaugh's offense. I think Harbaugh's offense with Kaep and better drafting at the WR position for *speed* would have helped Kaep develop. But that's all *what ifs* and those debates have run their course.

Kyle's offense is so much more fun to watch, specially with the correct QB that's running the offense.