49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Draft picks in the first round since 2017.

2017.....Rueben Foster.....
2017.....Solomon Thomas.....
2018.....Mike McGlinchey.....
2019.....Nick Bosa.....
2020.....Brandon Aiyuk.....
2020.....Javon Kinlaw.....
2021......Trey Lance..... (3 1st round picks. We didn't have any in 2022 and 2023)
2024.....Ricky Pearsall.....
2025.....Mykel Williams.....

I got 1/9 picks and some traded away that we didn't have. Somebody should be fired for this. Yet this is the guy who is perfect, irreplaceable and nobody else can ever coach this team. You can't win like this.

If your intent here is to make your takes treated like jokes then you're doing a great job.

I don't care how the Aiyuk situation ended up pretending that was a bad pick is at best a terrible take.

Also making the equivalent of Javon Kinlaw with Pearsall and Williams given how long they've been here also doesn't help you be taken seriously.

Also...this doesn't belong in this thread.

Aiyuk would've been a fine pick if they would've let him walk after his rookie contract or traded him when they were suppose to. Still, you draft a player in the first round with the expectation that they play with the team longer than their first contract. So in that case, Aiyuk was a massive failure.

I'm sorry this is a completely disingenuous take. Brandon Aiyuk was a terrific draft pick. He was everything you can ask for as a WR and gave this team a lot of great plays including a critical catch in the NFCCG that allowed us to make the SB and the guy was in position to make several likely SB winning catches.

What happened after the contract was signed nobody could predict both in the injury front and whatever happened with Aiyuk mentally.

Was Andrew Luck a massive failure of a pick for the Colts? Sean Taylor for the Redskins?

Sean Taylor and Andrew Luck? What horrible comparisons lmaoooo for starters Sean Taylor was literally KILLED in his house. WTH

You're the one claiming if players don't make it to their 2nd contract it's a massive failure…

if you laugh at your own take being thrown back in your face then maybe you should rethink your criteria for massive failure of draft picks.

When did I drafting him was "massive failure"? Only the extension. They should've been done with him after he was being a weirdo all during the 2024 offseason. And how is Aiyuk comparable to Andrew Luck(who many would say had a disappointing career) and Sean Taylor getting killed in his own home? Some of you act like Aiyuk was some angel warning signs were there

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Celebrating is not a sign lol

signs would be missing meetings or some type of team detrimental

Talking about money after a big win was a sign, clearly obviously it's all he cared about

Lol it is slow news time if we are talking about this fool. Talking about getting money was a sign? Pretty sure T.O. talked about that, and many others. T.O. was clearly a bust lol. T.O. also blew through his money too..kinda maybe like B.A. is doing.

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol it is slow news time if we are talking about this fool. Talking about getting money was a sign? Pretty sure T.O. talked about that, and many others. T.O. was clearly a bust lol. T.O. also blew through his money too..kinda maybe like B.A. is doing.

T.O. Was a way bigger and better competitor than Aiyuk. One loved the game despite his flaws, the other clearly was only in it for the money. Lol

not really sure what you guys are defending here? Are you guys still trying to justify the Aiyuk contract?

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
When did I drafting him was "massive failure"? Only the extension. They should've been done with him after he was being a weirdo all during the 2024 offseason. And how is Aiyuk comparable to Andrew Luck(who many would say had a disappointing career) and Sean Taylor getting killed in his own home? Some of you act like Aiyuk was some angel warning signs were there

This is what you said

"Still, you draft a player in the first round with the expectation that they play with the team longer than their first contract. So in that case, Aiyuk was a massive failure."

There were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None. He did everything perfectly once he learned to give his all at practice. Route running, clutch catches, run blocking and he never complained about not getting the football.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Celebrating is not a sign lol

signs would be missing meetings or some type of team detrimental

Talking about money after a big win was a sign, clearly obviously it's all he cared about

Find what you're talking about...

Young players wanting to get paid isn't new and it won't be the last time you hear it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
When did I drafting him was "massive failure"? Only the extension. They should've been done with him after he was being a weirdo all during the 2024 offseason. And how is Aiyuk comparable to Andrew Luck(who many would say had a disappointing career) and Sean Taylor getting killed in his own home? Some of you act like Aiyuk was some angel warning signs were there

This is what you said

"Still, you draft a player in the first round with the expectation that they play with the team longer than their first contract. So in that case, Aiyuk was a massive failure."

There were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None. He did everything perfectly once he learned to give his all at practice. Route running, clutch catches, run blocking and he never complained about not getting the football.

Massive failure as far as extending and hoping he would be a long term blue chip player for years to come, Yes. That's usually the hope/expectations for most if not all first round picks. But before 2024, it was good, mostly.

And just because you say "there were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None" doesn't mean there wasn't any. There was a reason he was in the dog house in 2021, and his attitude was part of it, even when things were going good, he never really felt like he was part of the team the way guys like Kittle, CMC, Fred Warner, Deebo, Bosa,Trent Williams, or even Jimmy G, he was the loner of the team who was more focus on his phone than being present with them, not saying all loners are all gonna turnout to be wack job weirdos, but that should've been a que to sus him out, only money being on the mind after wins?, and saw rumors that he was upset about getting the pro bowl snub in 2023 mostly due to it being a factor during contract negotiations aka it will be more difficult to ask for more money. And even if you still choose to ignore all that, there's still the 2024 offseason where he acted like a complete weirdo child, too many examples to remember, and had his family come out and say "he doesn't want to play for the 49ers anymore" just hours after the Super Bowl. Deebo might've acted like a diva during his extension but at least he was coming off a special season and was loved in the locker room. Aiyuk came off a pretty good 2023 season, but that's it

so back to the original post. The 49ers have been terrible, at drafting in the first round. Only Nick Bosa has turned out successful, and that was an obvious pick.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Celebrating is not a sign lol

signs would be missing meetings or some type of team detrimental

Talking about money after a big win was a sign, clearly obviously it's all he cared about

Find what you're talking about...

Young players wanting to get paid isn't new and it won't be the last time you hear it.

I think you all have a point. BA had 0 issues aside Kyle getting on him about working harder his rookie year which to me, is a nothing burger.

The first time everyone said huh??? .. was after the SB loss. He and his family were acting incredibly weird right after. I remember to this day thinking wth is that about and we kind of knew he was going to be a drama queen about his contract. Now when I say drama queen I still don't think anyone thought it would play out like THAT either.

After the contract was done I am not sure because when he spoke to the media he admitted he made it harder than it needed to be but was happy. He was playing and I don't recall any drama. Then he unfortunately blew out his knee, and he seems to have spiraled out of his damn mind since.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Massive failure as far as extending and hoping he would be a long term blue chip player for years to come, Yes. That's usually the hope/expectations for most if not all first round picks. But before 2024, it was good, mostly.

And just because you say "there were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None" doesn't mean there wasn't any. There was a reason he was in the dog house in 2021, and his attitude was part of it, even when things were going good, he never really felt like he was part of the team the way guys like Kittle, CMC, Fred Warner, Deebo, Bosa,Trent Williams, or even Jimmy G, he was the loner of the team who was more focus on his phone than being present with them, not saying all loners are all gonna turnout to be wack job weirdos, but that should've been a que to sus him out, only money being on the mind after wins?, and saw rumors that he was upset about getting the pro bowl snub in 2023 mostly due to it being a factor during contract negotiations aka it will be more difficult to ask for more money. And even if you still choose to ignore all that, there's still the 2024 offseason where he acted like a complete weirdo child, too many examples to remember, and had his family come out and say "he doesn't want to play for the 49ers anymore" just hours after the Super Bowl. Deebo might've acted like a diva during his extension but at least he was coming off a special season and was loved in the locker room. Aiyuk came off a pretty good 2023 season, but that's it

so back to the original post. The 49ers have been terrible, at drafting in the first round. Only Nick Bosa has turned out successful, and that was an obvious pick.

Yes he was a young player who had bad practice habits because like many in the same situation always got by on their talent alone.

He went into the doghouse, came out of it learning he needs to give max effort and did just that becoming our best WR shortly after that happened.

And you're just making things up. Aiyuk literally took Deebo's negotiation methods and did the same thing Deebo did. The only difference was unlike Deebo he never complained about his lack of targets and if we're being real...he had a lot to be upset about after that SB. He was open for the would be game winning play at the 2 minute warning and he was open again in OT for a TD we failed to convert.

I'm going to need you to find the video you're talking about because I don't remember where "only money being on the mind after wins"

You make a statement like that then you need to back it up. Know what is a big factor in contract negotiations? Receptions, yards and TDs and those are things he can't get as much without getting fed the ball and 0 from him about wanting the ball more unlike Deebo.

So back to the original post...you're still wrong about him being a bad pick and your own point is invalid since he DID get a 2nd contract. The reason the situation is falling apart has nothing to do with his play on the field.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think you all have a point. BA had 0 issues aside Kyle getting on him about working harder his rookie year which to me, is a nothing burger.

The first time everyone said huh??? .. was after the SB loss. He and his family were acting incredibly weird right after. I remember to this day thinking wth is that about and we kind of knew he was going to be a drama queen about his contract. Now when I say drama queen I still don't think anyone thought it would play out like THAT either.

After the contract was done I am not sure because when he spoke to the media he admitted he made it harder than it needed to be but was happy. He was playing and I don't recall any drama. Then he unfortunately blew out his knee, and he seems to have spiraled out of his damn mind since.

That's the thing. I believe if that injury doesn't happen he's still here without any issues. I'm not sure if that alone led to the fallout.

The story Mike Silver pushed out about the 49ers having instant buyers remorse with Aiyuk happened AFTER the injury.

I don't want to make excuses for Aiyuk but imagine you're a player who has been healthy his whole career and you get a pretty significant injury playing for a team who puts out that type of story. Now personally I think(hard to know without actually being in that situation) that I could just deal with it for the sake of the money but clearly Aiyuk couldn't.

No matter what ROS wants to claim there were 0 indicators that something like this would happen. Tough negotiations happen all the time. You have guys saying they will never play a down for that team and then get paid and it's water under the bridge.

There is 0 projection to something like this happening. Just like there is 0 projection for a player suddenly retiring early or god forbid getting killed in a home invasion. These things are just unfortunate events that really couldn't be controlled and certainly not something you can foresee when drafting a player.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think you all have a point. BA had 0 issues aside Kyle getting on him about working harder his rookie year which to me, is a nothing burger.

The first time everyone said huh??? .. was after the SB loss. He and his family were acting incredibly weird right after. I remember to this day thinking wth is that about and we kind of knew he was going to be a drama queen about his contract. Now when I say drama queen I still don't think anyone thought it would play out like THAT either.

After the contract was done I am not sure because when he spoke to the media he admitted he made it harder than it needed to be but was happy. He was playing and I don't recall any drama. Then he unfortunately blew out his knee, and he seems to have spiraled out of his damn mind since.

That's the thing. I believe if that injury doesn't happen he's still here without any issues. I'm not sure if that alone led to the fallout.

The story Mike Silver pushed out about the 49ers having instant buyers remorse with Aiyuk happened AFTER the injury.

I don't want to make excuses for Aiyuk but imagine you're a player who has been healthy his whole career and you get a pretty significant injury playing for a team who puts out that type of story. Now personally I think(hard to know without actually being in that situation) that I could just deal with it for the sake of the money but clearly Aiyuk couldn't.

No matter what ROS wants to claim there were 0 indicators that something like this would happen. Tough negotiations happen all the time. You have guys saying they will never play a down for that team and then get paid and it's water under the bridge.

There is 0 projection to something like this happening. Just like there is 0 projection for a player suddenly retiring early or god forbid getting killed in a home invasion. These things are just unfortunate events that really couldn't be controlled and certainly not something you can foresee when drafting a player.

I think the same. One thing that stuck in my head was some ex-players saying how some guys just don't love the game, only the $ etc. TJ was referencing BA when saying that.

Now with that in mind its pure speculation by me, but sure you could imagine the team sensed this and paid a guy who is hardly motivated now etc. Maybe that happened? Who knows.

In the end I think three things for sure: 1. He does not love football; the contract was his ultimate goal. I get that's true to some degree in every case, but he appears to be way more of a "this is true" in his case. 2. He is surrounded by people giving him incredibly terrible advice. 3. He is not very bright.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think the same. One thing that stuck in my head was some ex-players saying how some guys just don't love the game, only the $ etc. TJ was referencing BA when saying that.

Now with that in mind its pure speculation by me, but sure you could imagine the team sensed this and paid a guy who is hardly motivated now etc. Maybe that happened? Who knows.

In the end I think three things for sure: 1. He does not love football; the contract was his ultimate goal. I get that's true to some degree in every case, but he appears to be way more of a "this is true" in his case. 2. He is surrounded by people giving him incredibly terrible advice. 3. He is not very bright.

We'll never know probably what happened. I will say the "don't love the game thing" is overrated. Yes you want guys who love the game because they're self starters and they tend to squeeze more juice out of their career.

However you still have guys like Curtis Martin who make the HOF and admit in their speech they didn't love the game, it was a paycheck.

We will see what happens with Aiyuk the rest of his career but regardless of how it goes for him I think it's crazy to list him as a bad draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Massive failure as far as extending and hoping he would be a long term blue chip player for years to come, Yes. That's usually the hope/expectations for most if not all first round picks. But before 2024, it was good, mostly.

And just because you say "there were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None" doesn't mean there wasn't any. There was a reason he was in the dog house in 2021, and his attitude was part of it, even when things were going good, he never really felt like he was part of the team the way guys like Kittle, CMC, Fred Warner, Deebo, Bosa,Trent Williams, or even Jimmy G, he was the loner of the team who was more focus on his phone than being present with them, not saying all loners are all gonna turnout to be wack job weirdos, but that should've been a que to sus him out, only money being on the mind after wins?, and saw rumors that he was upset about getting the pro bowl snub in 2023 mostly due to it being a factor during contract negotiations aka it will be more difficult to ask for more money. And even if you still choose to ignore all that, there's still the 2024 offseason where he acted like a complete weirdo child, too many examples to remember, and had his family come out and say "he doesn't want to play for the 49ers anymore" just hours after the Super Bowl. Deebo might've acted like a diva during his extension but at least he was coming off a special season and was loved in the locker room. Aiyuk came off a pretty good 2023 season, but that's it

so back to the original post. The 49ers have been terrible, at drafting in the first round. Only Nick Bosa has turned out successful, and that was an obvious pick.

Yes he was a young player who had bad practice habits because like many in the same situation always got by on their talent alone.

He went into the doghouse, came out of it learning he needs to give max effort and did just that becoming our best WR shortly after that happened.

And you're just making things up. Aiyuk literally took Deebo's negotiation methods and did the same thing Deebo did. The only difference was unlike Deebo he never complained about his lack of targets and if we're being real...he had a lot to be upset about after that SB. He was open for the would be game winning play at the 2 minute warning and he was open again in OT for a TD we failed to convert.

I'm going to need you to find the video you're talking about because I don't remember where "only money being on the mind after wins"

You make a statement like that then you need to back it up. Know what is a big factor in contract negotiations? Receptions, yards and TDs and those are things he can't get as much without getting fed the ball and 0 from him about wanting the ball more unlike Deebo.

So back to the original post...you're still wrong about him being a bad pick and your own point is invalid since he DID get a 2nd contract. The reason the situation is falling apart has nothing to do with his play on the field.

"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
When did I drafting him was "massive failure"? Only the extension. They should've been done with him after he was being a weirdo all during the 2024 offseason. And how is Aiyuk comparable to Andrew Luck(who many would say had a disappointing career) and Sean Taylor getting killed in his own home? Some of you act like Aiyuk was some angel warning signs were there

This is what you said

"Still, you draft a player in the first round with the expectation that they play with the team longer than their first contract. So in that case, Aiyuk was a massive failure."

There were no warning signs with Aiyuk. None. He did everything perfectly once he learned to give his all at practice. Route running, clutch catches, run blocking and he never complained about not getting the football.

It would be nice to keep a player longer than 4 years but the reality is many teams will let a player leave rather than overpay unless he's a real difference maker. The way they have salaries structured now we see more and more teams building around a QB on his first contract. That allows them to keep quality at other key positions and build some depth.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

Once again his behavior and whether he was a good draft pick are two different things. I am in no way defending his behavior. I am simply pointing out that he was a great player who didn't give any indication that something like this would happen AFTER the contract was completed.

If you give me a single example of something like this going down with the so called warning signs being in that other case then I will admit I'm wrong. However I think it's completely disingenuous to pretend Aiyuk was a bad draft pick and use him to lump on the idea that the 49ers don't know how to draft in the first round.

And no...Randy Moss didn't put in enough effort virtually his whole career, was he a bad draft pick for the Vikings too? A ton of guys who have won in college mostly cuz of their talent level being superior learn to put in more in the NFL. The ones who don't rarely continue to play well unless they are top tier guys like Moss.