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Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

Great post.
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
They still have players on the team! And look at their early picks off the top of my head: walker charbonnet JSN and zabel.

you can't compare

They have had 11 top 52 picks since 2022. Holy s**t they've better have some hits
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
We took out the wrong head of two headed monster....walker is the one with the 1,000 yards rushing who ran for 116 and 3 TDs against us last weekend.

He's a FA as well

Sign em!
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
They still have players on the team! And look at their early picks off the top of my head: walker charbonnet JSN and zabel.

you can't compare

They have had 11 top 52 picks since 2022. Holy s**t they've better have some hits
No credit for them accumulating 11?
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

Great post.

+1
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Excellent post.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Right, and I badly want to win it all too. It's the whole reason we watch. I'm just not going to divorce my wife if occasionally she's not in the mood because I got spoiled by the past. Regardless of what the goal is, it can't be achieved all the time. Something as impractical as being 1st place of 32 is only going to happen so often no matter how good you are, and luck plays a huge role. For all the reasons I laid out, we've seen Kyle is good enough to win it all, and probably would have in 2022, 2023, or both if we didn't have horrible luck. And you can't reasonably blame him and him alone for that terrible luck. But people do, acting like anyone who doesn't have those standards that are aiming too low.

There is having high standards, and there is being unreasonable. I find the one note Kyle haters to be unreasonable. We all have the right to voice our opinion and to question the man with the most responsibility, but to act like he's incapable is simply misguided and based off of emotion and a small sample size. What is a big game becomes a moving target, and these types of fans simply will not come off their narrative that he can't get it done in their self appointed "biggest moments". This is a simplistic argument that they are convinced they are winning and nobody can talk them out of it. I happen to believe they are dead wrong, but I know the "haters" will only agree only the nearly impossible task of winning it all is achieved. And that was a nearly impossible task with the crippling luck we had in the NFCCG in 2022 and SB in 2023.
[ Edited by SweetOJ on Jan 19, 2026 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Right, and I badly want to win it all too. It's the whole reason we watch. I'm just not going to divorce my wife if occasionally she's not in the mood because I got spoiled by the past. Regardless of what the goal is, it can't be achieved all the time. Something as impractical as being 1st place of 32 is only going to happen so often no matter how good you are, and luck plays a huge role. For all the reasons I laid out, we've seen Kyle is good enough to win it all, and probably would have in 2022, 2023, or both if we didn't have horrible luck. And you can't reasonably blame him and him alone for that terrible luck. But people do, acting like anyone who doesn't have those standards that are aiming too low.

There is having high standards, and there is being unreasonable. I find the one note Kyle haters to be unreasonable. We all have the right to voice our opinion and to question the man with the most responsibility, but to act like he's incapable is simply misguided and based off of emotion and a small sample size. What is a big game becomes a moving target, and these types of fans simply will not come off their narrative that he can't get it done in their self appointed "biggest moments". This is a simplistic argument that they are convinced they are winning and nobody can talk them out of it. I happen to believe they are dead wrong, but I know the "haters" will only agree only the nearly impossible task of winning it all is achieved. And that was a nearly impossible task with the crippling luck we had in the NFCCG in 2022 and SB in 2023.

But you would divorce her if she never consummated the marriage.
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Right, and I badly want to win it all too. It's the whole reason we watch. I'm just not going to divorce my wife if occasionally she's not in the mood because I got spoiled by the past. Regardless of what the goal is, it can't be achieved all the time. Something as impractical as being 1st place of 32 is only going to happen so often no matter how good you are, and luck plays a huge role. For all the reasons I laid out, we've seen Kyle is good enough to win it all, and probably would have in 2022, 2023, or both if we didn't have horrible luck. And you can't reasonably blame him and him alone for that terrible luck. But people do, acting like anyone who doesn't have those standards that are aiming too low.

There is having high standards, and there is being unreasonable. I find the one note Kyle haters to be unreasonable. We all have the right to voice our opinion and to question the man with the most responsibility, but to act like he's incapable is simply misguided and based off of emotion and a small sample size. What is a big game becomes a moving target, and these types of fans simply will not come off their narrative that he can't get it done in their self appointed "biggest moments". This is a simplistic argument that they are convinced they are winning and nobody can talk them out of it. I happen to believe they are dead wrong, but I know the "haters" will only agree only the nearly impossible task of winning it all is achieved. And that was a nearly impossible task with the crippling luck we had in the NFCCG in 2022 and SB in 2023.

But you would divorce her if she never consummated the marriage.



Touché
Originally posted by jcs:
There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Which cost the team arguably the best coach ever.

Funny you never argued firing Harbaugh and he's now 0 for 6 with less playoff wins than Kyle.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Jan 19, 2026 at 1:50 PM ]
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
No credit for them accumulating 11?

What by trading Wilson lol? Good for them moving a QB most teams wanted at the time.

go be a Seattle fan man
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by jcs:
There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Which cost the team arguably the best coach ever.

Funny you never argued firing Harbaugh and he's now 0 for 6 with less playoff wins than Kyle.

Harbs should have been retained here but it became personal for ownership which shows another flaw that they have as owners. Harbs did leave here only getting 4 seasons vs 9 so far and counting for Kyle with that last season for Jim in which ownership was actively sabotaging him. Personally I don't see Kyle winning here any time soon with age catching up to his roster and his refusal to move declining talent or play younger alternatives when he doesn't have to.

Harbs did acomplish his goal of getting his alma mater a national championship victory since leaving us and beating their generational rival before coming back to the NFL to a team that went 5-12 the season prior that he has now taken to two back to back 11 win seasons. He might need a new QB in LA as the guy he inherited while talented seems flawed when the pressure hits. I think had he been given 9 years to figure it out like Kyle has we probably would have at least one championship since the Yorks took the Niners from Eddy.
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbs should have been retained here but it became personal for ownership which shows another flaw that they have as owners. Harbs did leave here only getting 4 seasons vs 9 so far and counting for Kyle with that last season for Jim in which ownership was actively sabotaging him. Personally I don't see Kyle winning here any time soon with age catching up to his roster and his refusal to move declining talent or play younger alternatives when he doesn't have to.

Harbs did acomplish his goal of getting his alma mater a national championship victory since leaving us and beating their generational rival before coming back to the NFL to a team that went 5-12 the season prior that he has now taken to two back to back 11 win seasons. He might need a new QB in LA as the guy he inherited while talented seems flawed when the pressure hits. I think had he been given 9 years to figure it out like Kyle has we probably would have at least one championship since the Yorks took the Niners from Eddy.

With Kyle having taken over a bad team, he gets a shot to rebuild. I think this offseason will be the push to get a SB. Maybe even 2027 if Trent stays or another great OT happens.

And if it does not happen you sell off and start cleaning dead cap space and building for the new CBA
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by jcs:
There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Which cost the team arguably the best coach ever.

Funny you never argued firing Harbaugh and he's now 0 for 6 with less playoff wins than Kyle.

These back in the day posters need to suck a fart out Joe Montana's ass and get over it lol. I mean that's why im a 49ers fan, but that s**t that was forever ago…the league is totally different. Measured in championships is silly logic given the only way you can have a dynasty these days is if you luck into having a generational QB.

and yes talk about about hypocrisy with harbs 🥴
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