Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Marino is a consensus top 10 QB of all time even without a SB win.
Shanahans not even in the same ballpark.
Prescotts an okay game manager QB. You can win games with him with a good stacked roster. He's a franchise QB.
The reality is shanahans basically the same. This year was his best year coaching. He actually won games he shouldn't have because this teams a pretender that should have been like 6-11, however, Saleh pulled out a ton of the wins this year making adjustments in the second half allowing the offense to average like 20 pts a game and win. He gets some credit for bringing him in.
The niners had an easy schedule. The SB niners rosters were stacked. Part of that's just getting bosa. Lately the drafts have been pretty mediocre outside minor bright spots.
There's not much to look forward to going forward though and that's why 9 years in he's just a good but not great coach.
You guys need to understand. The 49ers aren't the Seahawks. There's not going to be a light bulb moment next year with bosa back, mcaffrey a year older, Trent a year older etc... we are more like the warriors. An aging dynasty that keeps trying to hold on thinking these dudes are going to turn back time...
Basically already at the purging point where you have to turn the roster again. Ie rebuild 2-3 years before were SB contenders again. This year was wide open. Injuries ruined it so now we're talking 12-13 years of shanahan before maybe having another SB chance if they draft good.
The QB to HC analogies were made to try to reason with some of you guys...clearly it still failed. The whole point was one game, even if it's the SB shouldn't overshadow a vast resume.
As for the rest of your post I find it laughable that you give credit to Saleh and then put in the little "he gets some credit for bringing him in" does he? Do we need to go back to 2018 Saleh thread days? Cuz it was probably like 80% FIRE SALEH!!!
Shanahan brought him in with no coordinator experience and stuck with him. Saleh owes just as much to Kyle as Kyle owes to him this season, if not more. Shanahan identified two great coordinators in Saleh and Demeco. Unfortunately due to being right on them he lost them at one of the most critical times. I have 0 doubt that if Saleh or Demeco were coaching defense for us in 2023 we win that SB. Heck if they were just coaching in OT for us.
But I love when you guys pick and choose when to credit the other coordinators. Don't see you blaming Wilks for the SB loss. And I would certainly say Kyle's offense when healthy was more than able to carry their weight this season. Saleh was brought in for big $ and allowed to run the defense as he saw fit. The moves we made were ok'd by him and he clearly had majority say in the draft.
As for the 49ers not being the Seahawks...ok? What light bulb moment did Seattle have exactly? They were a 9-8 team in Pete Carroll's last season. They were never terrible. They got lucky to trade away Russell Wilson before he collapsed and received a major haul for him. Got even more lucky in 2024 when the draft shook out the way it did(Rams as well) with the first half of the first round being all offense with Seattle and Rams both needing help on defense.
Clearly where we fall to the back is in the front office department and I will agree there. It has to improve. We're having a tough time letting vets go at the right moment. The only guy we allowed to leave was Buckner and we blew that pick with Kinlaw. The other guys we can't seem to get value for them. Deebo tailed off and walked for peanuts. Aiyuk totally f'd us and we'll be lucky to get anything for him.
Kyle and John simply haven't been able to get that type of trade where we move a piece for a big return to infuse lots of talent onto the roster. Having said that we're not behind Seattle because of their QB situation. Seahawk and Ram fans know if our team wasn't beat to a pulp missing key pieces on both sides of the ball we're hosting the playoffs at Levis.
The team is older yes, we have some glaring holes to fill and god forbid one of our heavy hitters retire. But I still trust Shanahan to keep the team winning because he's shown the ability to do that.
What worries me is our drafting...specifically with Kyle pulling the strings early and I talked about it. THAT to me is a legit conversation. Not Kyle's coaching.
To me it's all in the Kyle shanahan regime whether it's drafting or coaching.
On the coaching side related to the drafting side the issue is we see players show flashes (gurrendo breaking some big runs, watkins making some clutch down field catch, tonges making toe tapping insane catches from the tight end spot, Mason averaging 5 ypc slamming it hard up the middle) except shanahan can't find a way to consistently get those guys in the field.
I expect a coach that can recognize potential and find a way to integrate these guys before he's forced to.
I mean they have to know at some point that we have both the slowest wr core in the NFL and probably the slowest RB in the NFL right now...
They say they use the gps in practice and that's why yuk couldn't get back in the field. How about measuring mcaffreys acceleration since the injury? The guys obviously lost a step.
Mckivitz can't deal with a speed rusher so he needs to have a chip if anybody fast at all is on his side. That's a set in stone fact or he crumbles and gets purdy killed. Coaching needs to recognize and account for it.
They lost 3 first round picks from the lance debacle. It's only been 8 drafts so that hurts. That really hurts. More than has even been expressed here.
He's also terrible at challenging. The AJ Brown not catch was such a game breaking miss.
To me you have these critical things like the first round picks lost and the miss on the AJ Brown catch that literally are the difference between winning and losing a SB. I haven't seen much in the way of any improvement.
We are still drafting rbs and wrs high and not seeing them on the field. Find a way to get speed so purdy doesn't have to do it all.
You take purdy away and this offense is a 20 pt per game max average offense. The defense is terrible because there's not that much talent there.
It's not just one thing that makes shanahan just good enough to not win a SB. He's had chances and blown them.
His play calling is excellent. He's just not doing the little stuff to maximize his chances to win.
Some teams are going to be weaker up the middle so you need to run more up the middle and not just zone on those teams. Some teams are bad covering the tight ends so you target kittle and tonges more... Etc... you also have to have speed or it's way too much on purdy to try to throw into a minefield every game with the safeties sucked down and loaded boxes/middle all the time. You need to have a home run threat on the field.
