49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

That's the exact reason I didn't "want" him. I thought he was Uber talented just didn't think he fit.

I long since thought QBs need the right system to succeed. Though it's probably best described as the great OCs need the right QBs to run their system.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

This roster isn't far off from the 2017 roster.

We have maybe 5 or 6 guys on D who should be starters next year. Bosa has missed two years. Mykel Williams is coming off a major injury. We have no pass rushing DT's. Fred Warner will be 30 and coming off a major injury and has maybe 3 or 4 quality years left. We have no-one other than him at LB. The secondary needs two safeties.

On offense we have no receivers if Jennings leaves. Pearsall can't stay healthy. Kittle will be 33 and can't stay healthy. Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. CMC last lost a step as a RB and will probably be hurt next year as is his trend after a heavy workload season. The Oline needs work and is in serious trouble if Trent leaves.

It's a top heavy, injury prone roster.

We have glaring weaknesses at over half the positions. Do we have the drafting record or personnel decision makers to rebuild it again?

And the nonsense keeps going.
I mean some of you are just cringe.
You guys just want to be right and have the so called "yes fans" like me tell you how great you are.
It's just an ego trip at this point. Or you're all really that stupid.
Meanwhile Shanahan is busy gameplanning for maybe the 40th 49ers win in PO history which would be a record.
Yeah the guy who apparently doesn't know how to build a good roster with John Lynch is actually only thinking about winning a PO game in a year where the Niners have been ravaged by injuries.
And as far as draft records, they had some misses but guess what like everyone in the league.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

That's the exact reason I didn't "want" him. I thought he was Uber talented just didn't think he fit.

I long since thought QBs need the right system to succeed. Though it's probably best described as the great OCs need the right QBs to run their system.

It's not just QBs. Good teams always try and draft players they feel will fit their system. Teams that play a lot of complicated zone D might go for DBs that they feel are really smart and versatile over a guy that is highly athletic but better suited for man coverage. Teams that like to throw a lot of deep passes are more likely to go after a WR that is really fast over one that is better at getting open in the shorter routes and has really good hands.

It's not always the best player on paper that makes the best pick.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's not just QBs. Good teams always try and draft players they feel will fit their system. Teams that play a lot of complicated zone D might go for DBs that they feel are really smart and versatile over a guy that is highly athletic but better suited for man coverage. Teams that like to throw a lot of deep passes are more likely to go after a WR that is really fast over one that is better at getting open in the shorter routes and has really good hands.

It's not always the best player on paper that makes the best pick.

I agree with this. As they should. However, Its also not the player that fits best on paper that makes the best pick.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Much of what you say is true but sometimes teams need to get to this point before they can rebuild or restock. Bite the bullet and let some high priced players move on or trade them if possible. A couple of bad or below average years and you can get higher draft picks. No team stays on top forever.

Kyle and John built this team from the trash heap. It too them 2 years to reach the SB. If they can rebuild the team in 2 years again I'll be happy.

So we just keep going round and round again? Rebuild the team, lose a SB or two and rebuild again in 10 years??

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is getting old. As we've established McVay was with Stafford and his wife eating dinner having contract talks while Kyle was getting some beauty rest. His friend told him that he needs to talk to Stafford NOW and he went to bed instead. Few months later traded 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR A BUST !

You didn't establish a thing considering that's not what happened. Have you ever tried being honest with your takes?

They got together for dinner after the trade was already completed because Stafford and his wife, McVay and his wife....as well as Kyle and his wife among other NFL people were all in Cabo at the same time after the season.

You're as disingenuous as it gets around here.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Arm was special. So was Jamarus Russel. Milton, Kap, Vick etc….That system he was in was not conducive to NFL offenses at the time. s**t load of backyard football, pretty big projection.

There was some back yard ball for sure. I cant speak to what you saw in comparison to the guys you named but I can assure my take away from Mahomes was clearly different than yours. Those guys was not in the same realm throwing the football in my eyes.

NY, honest brah... did you even watch games of Jamarcus, Milton, Kap and Vick in college ??

those bazooka arms of theirs are god given, but they are not REAL QBs when I saw them in college.. KAP, brah, he can't event complete a slant !! dude a pitcher !!

You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

It sucks that Lynch tried to get Shanny to open his eyes for Mahomes and he didn't bother .

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
This roster isn't far off from the 2017 roster.

We have maybe 5 or 6 guys on D who should be starters next year. Bosa has missed two years. Mykel Williams is coming off a major injury. We have no pass rushing DT's. Fred Warner will be 30 and coming off a major injury and has maybe 3 or 4 quality years left. We have no-one other than him at LB. The secondary needs two safeties.

On offense we have no receivers if Jennings leaves. Pearsall can't stay healthy. Kittle will be 33 and can't stay healthy. Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. CMC last lost a step as a RB and will probably be hurt next year as is his trend after a heavy workload season. The Oline needs work and is in serious trouble if Trent leaves.

It's a top heavy, injury prone roster.

We have glaring weaknesses at over half the positions. Do we have the drafting record or personnel decision makers to rebuild it again?

You either didn't follow this team in 2017 or you don't remember where we were at that point.

Tho funny enough...we totally rebuilt the team in 2 years after that and opened up our SB window and this time we have a better QB in place to do it. Sounds like another ringing endorsement of Kyle Shanahan. I knew you had it in you.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is getting old. As we've established McVay was with Stafford and his wife eating dinner having contract talks while Kyle was getting some beauty rest. His friend told him that he needs to talk to Stafford NOW and he went to bed instead. Few months later traded 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR A BUST !

You didn't establish a thing considering that's not what happened. Have you ever tried being honest with your takes?

They got together for dinner after the trade was already completed because Stafford and his wife, McVay and his wife....as well as Kyle and his wife among other NFL people were all in Cabo at the same time after the season.

You're as disingenuous as it gets around here.

He's actually right. McVay and Stafford talked before the trade. That's how he knew he wanted out of Detroit. Then the trade happened. Then the dinner. All while Kyle slept.

I don't agree with his Shanahan takes but in this instance he is correct.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Arm was special. So was Jamarus Russel. Milton, Kap, Vick etc….That system he was in was not conducive to NFL offenses at the time. s**t load of backyard football, pretty big projection.

There was some back yard ball for sure. I cant speak to what you saw in comparison to the guys you named but I can assure my take away from Mahomes was clearly different than yours. Those guys was not in the same realm throwing the football in my eyes.

NY, honest brah... did you even watch games of Jamarcus, Milton, Kap and Vick in college ??

those bazooka arms of theirs are god given, but they are not REAL QBs when I saw them in college.. KAP, brah, he can't event complete a slant !! dude a pitcher !!

You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

It sucks that Lynch tried to get Shanny to open his eyes for Mahomes and he didn't bother .

Call me crazy but I don't have remorse about not drafting Mahomes for the reasons I mentioned. We don't know what would've happened with him in Kyle's scheme if he was forced to start without a real QB to sit and learn behind.

My bigger regret in hindsight is the Jimmy G trade. I loved it at the time, I appreciate what Jimmy did here. But the bigger what if to me is if Kyle actually played out his vision which was to bring in Kirk Cousins.

There were also reports that Kyle liked Josh Allen a lot, not sure he would've passed up on Kirk given their relationship but maybe we would've double tapped. Who knows. Either way I wonder if we get over the hump with Kirk as the QB instead of Jimmy.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Do you take away from Bill Walsh's greatness because he had Joe Montana ? I get it. It's hard to cope when there's a guy in your own division, let alone the league, that has a higher rank than you.

it is what it is…

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Arm was special. So was Jamarus Russel. Milton, Kap, Vick etc….That system he was in was not conducive to NFL offenses at the time. s**t load of backyard football, pretty big projection.

There was some back yard ball for sure. I cant speak to what you saw in comparison to the guys you named but I can assure my take away from Mahomes was clearly different than yours. Those guys was not in the same realm throwing the football in my eyes.

NY, honest brah... did you even watch games of Jamarcus, Milton, Kap and Vick in college ??

those bazooka arms of theirs are god given, but they are not REAL QBs when I saw them in college.. KAP, brah, he can't event complete a slant !! dude a pitcher !!

You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

It sucks that Lynch tried to get Shanny to open his eyes for Mahomes and he didn't bother .

Call me crazy but I don't have remorse about not drafting Mahomes for the reasons I mentioned. We don't know what would've happened with him in Kyle's scheme if he was forced to start without a real QB to sit and learn behind.

My bigger regret in hindsight is the Jimmy G trade. I loved it at the time, I appreciate what Jimmy did here. But the bigger what if to me is if Kyle actually played out his vision which was to bring in Kirk Cousins.

There were also reports that Kyle liked Josh Allen a lot, not sure he would've passed up on Kirk given their relationship but maybe we would've double tapped. Who knows. Either way I wonder if we get over the hump with Kirk as the QB instead of Jimmy.

Even if you are right , Shannys rigid inclusion / exclusion criteria didn't allow a work out where who knows if Mahomes and Shanny hit it off .

but he seems to have learned from it bc I doubt Trey Lance was pigeon holed the same way. Looking back on the Trey Lance ..... seems like the NfL and especially us had a fear of missing out on that QB class .

I don't know how Shanny haters can hate on what he has done with Purdy and this depleted roster this year

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Do you take away from Bill Walsh's greatness because he had Joe Montana ? I get it. It's hard to cope when there's a guy in your own division, let alone the league, that has a higher rank than you.

it is what it is…

Im talking about McVay. You sir are the one who gave him a pass for not being able to score more than 3 points in a SB

You are the one illustrating to us all that McVay isn't good enough to win it all or even score more than 3 points in a SB without HOF caliber at QB.

Basically McVay needed a crutch to carry him, can't walk on his own. That's what your saying, your words not mine.

I mean basically going off your logic Kyle has never had a HOF caliber QB so it wouldn't be a fair to compare him to McVay unless you think it's OK to compare apples to oranges.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is getting old. As we've established McVay was with Stafford and his wife eating dinner having contract talks while Kyle was getting some beauty rest. His friend told him that he needs to talk to Stafford NOW and he went to bed instead. Few months later traded 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR A BUST !

You didn't establish a thing considering that's not what happened. Have you ever tried being honest with your takes?

They got together for dinner after the trade was already completed because Stafford and his wife, McVay and his wife....as well as Kyle and his wife among other NFL people were all in Cabo at the same time after the season.

You're as disingenuous as it gets around here.

He's actually right. McVay and Stafford talked before the trade. That's how he knew he wanted out of Detroit. Then the trade happened. Then the dinner. All while Kyle slept.

I don't agree with his Shanahan takes but in this instance he is correct.

He's not right. That Stafford wanted out was well known by everyone. The dinner he's talking about happened AFTER the trade happened.

Everything that was said of how it all went down shows the Lions weren't interested in negotiating with the 49ers. Painting it like Shanahan fumbled the deal is an absurd take with nothing behind it.