49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socal1632:
Now you're going into next year depending on a DE with a history of 3 knees, to hold up. There is nothing else on that line, except run stuffers. You traded away Huff and Greenlaw. What is the point of this franchise. 32 years. 32 years. 32 years.

Some of you guys come in here simply just to complain. You're contradicting your thoughts in your own post.

You're concerned about injuries but in the next sentence complain about the team "trading" away Huf(Huff is the guy we traded for who is on the team...who also happens to be only a pass rusher which contradicts your run stuffer only point) and Greenlaw - both players who have a large injury history who also have nothing to do with line play since they're a safety and a linebacker.

What is the point of this franchise the man says...as they're in the playoffs despite crazy impact injuries in a retool season.

Folks can't keep s**t real. Complain about Greenlaw and Huff being gone, yet they couldn't stay on the field….then complaining about injured players. Lol

buddy acts like going to multiple SBs, NFCCs and taking a team that everyone thought was a sub .500 team to 12 wins and a playoff appearance is some s**tty thing isn't being serious with objective debating. They're simply hating and trying to cherry pick anything negative about Kyle all while contradicting themselves.

If they got out of their little Kyle hater club bubble they're understand how bad the coaching is in the NFL. Every yr it's like 6-10 teams looking for a new HC.

the takes are so f**king stupid in here. Bunch of whiny fans.

Yet two guys…Mike McDonald and Ben Johnson (both candidates that were brought up repeatedly when Kyle's fan club asked "well, who would you replace him with?") have their teams primed for a deep run.

Oh, and there's this guy that everyone laughed at…

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196292-two-wordshellipsean-payton/

Three potential quality candidates that could have replaced Shanahan and had this team primed for a SB run, but no….you guys like to pretend there are no good coaches around except for Shanahan

Mike McDonald isn't doing anything with the injuries that Shanahan had to deal with. Neither is Ben Johnson.

You were awfully quiet last week when Ben Johnson took an L by....oh yeah Kyle Shanahan.

Where was McDonald's brilliance week 1 when they lost to us? Shouldn't his brilliance allow him to beat Kyle always?

It must so much intestinal fortitude to stare logic and reason in the face and say "nah, no need for that. I'm just going to say whatever sounds good to me"

Also Mike McDonald took over a 9-8 team and got handed a beautiful situation thanks to that other guy you're propping up handing over a bunch of premium picks for a HORRIBLE contract in Russell Wilson.

Got a backup QB, starting TE and DT and 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks with Pete Carroll drafting most of those top players helping them now.

Things fell perfectly for Seattle under McDonald. Byron Murphy dropping cuz of the crazy rush of offensive players. Easily the best DT in the draft then got Emmanwori who is basically his Kyle Hamilton falling to them.

Wow what a masterful rebuild McDonald had to take on...

Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

Originally posted by DrEll:
Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

A real coach like McVay wouldve told Tartt to catch the ball

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

A real coach like McVay wouldve told Tartt to catch the ball

Or maybe….

Originally posted by DrEll:
Or maybe….

If they dont get it you'd blame him too. He'll if they did get it you'd just say he got lucky

Originally posted by DrEll:
Or maybe….

Definitely my least favorite decision of Kyle's tenure, or at least the one that stands out the most.

The reality is though he has improved in this area. He was one of the most conservative 4th down decision makers in the league for years and that hasn't been the case since 23. Still not aggressive enough for me personally, but much better.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

I have a hypothetical for you: Say, McVay coaches 10 more seasons for the Rams and doesn't win another Super Bowl, including this year.

Will you always consider him to be better than another comparable coach that does not win a SB, assuming said coach leads a consistently competitive team.

Similarly, is John Harbaugh a better coach than Shanahan simply because he won a SB 13 years ago without much to show for it since then, despite having some uber-talented rosters?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Or maybe….

If they dont get it you'd blame him too. He'll if they did get it you'd just say he got lucky

I guess we'll never know, not that you should be concerned about what I would say. Maybe turn your attention to the guy that had a chance to close the game out and passed rather than finding scapegoats just to prop him up all the time…

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

I have a hypothetical for you: Say, McVay coaches 10 more seasons for the Rams and doesn't win another Super Bowl, including this year.

Will you always consider him to be better than another comparable coach that does not win a SB, assuming said coach leads a consistently competitive team.

Similarly, is John Harbaugh a better coach than Shanahan simply because he won a SB 13 years ago without much to show for it since then, despite having some uber-talented rosters?

I don't care about who's better. But a SB ring buys you an extended leash. How long is that leash ? I don't know because I've never experienced it, and never put much thought into what other teams should do with their SB winning coaches when they don't bring home a trophy after a certain period of time.

But I do know one thing. The Eagles kept Reid around for an extended period of time and got nothing for it. Got rid of him, brought some change, and now they have 2 rings in less than 10 years.

Every time we lose, this thread explodes.

WZ Niner fans are exhausting.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Every time we lose, this thread explodes.

WZ Niner fans are exhausting.

We had a 6 game winning streak. A lot of pent up hate to unleash.

IMO This whole season has been the result of coaching. With all the players out, and to have the record we have is due to coaching.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Yet two guys…Mike McDonald and Ben Johnson (both candidates that were brought up repeatedly when Kyle's fan club asked "well, who would you replace him with?") have their teams primed for a deep run.

Oh, and there's this guy that everyone laughed at…

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196292-two-wordshellipsean-payton/

Three potential quality candidates that could have replaced Shanahan and had this team primed for a SB run, but no….you guys like to pretend there are no good coaches around except for Shanahan

Ben Johnson? You mean the guy we just beat and lost yesterday? You mean Ben Johnson who had the biggest meltdown in Lions playoff history? So god damn hypocritical

Last I checked McDonald and Ben haven't done more than Kyle. Both dudes could be one and done in the playoffs just as easy and you know it….only difference is you will have all kinds of excuses for them. They don't win the SB then what?? They suck according to your logic.

Let's use some more of your logic. Payton is being propped up with a #1 defense not his 15th ranked offense that is suppose to be all him.

McDonald's offense only got what 13 pts vs SFs JV defense? Wow really primed up lol. Good job Seattle you guys are mostly healthy right now why we're forced to toss out our backups to the backups.

Isn't that funny ? You and genus waste thousands of words explaining to us that it wasn't Kyle's fault, but the players fault for not executing at the end of the game that cost us the SB. But it was Ben Johnson's fault for the Lions meltdown.

You guys waste thousands of words explaining to us how we can't blame Kyle for the Atlanta loss bc he was only the OC. But then you turn around and blame Ben Johnson for the "meltdown".

talk about hypocritical

I'm sorry that you're not able to understand someone using YOUR argument against you.

Nobody here actually blamed Ben Johnson for that Lions collapse. The blame went to the rightful place - Dan Campbell by being over aggressive and giving away points.

Glad you now agree how stupid blaming the OC for a loss like that is. I'm sure you'll learn a valuable lesson from this and stop making similar idiotic points.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Tonges and kittle have been on the field together 7 times this season.
that's a helluva way to maximize your roster Kyle.

What's wild is that we've been clamoring for a good backup TE for an eternity. Now we have one…and we don't play him.

Tonges is good as a receiver but he's not a good blocker. Scheme wise he's basically TE3. How many 3 TE sets do we run? That takes Juice off the field.

Maybe it's something we do in the playoffs but let's not act like Tonges is the key to unlocking the offense lol. When Seattle is able to stop our run game playing nickel...a TE who's not a great blocker isn't going to suddenly break things open.

Yeah that should happen because juice sucks.

There's a reason teams don't use a fullback.

Tell me what he's actually good at that tonges is not better at?

He can't win on short yardage runs and hes a slow ass receiver that can't break tackles... IE he's worthless...

Ohh but the block....ohh but the blocking... Tonges blocking so underrated....

Dumbest argument ever.

lol you literally have people breaking down the impact Juice is having to the offense and how beneficial he is but here you are acting like you know more.

Dumbest argument ever...cuz you don't understand what's happening out there.

You have a 230 lb dude who run like a 5 in the 40 and regularly is tackled by 180 lb dbs. Tonges could line up as FB and do better than juice.

Juice is a slow wuss just like most of the slow team.

The clinging on to these dudes who have no explosiveness is the reason shanahan is just going to keep choking away sb and and playoff appearances.

Getting rid of juice is addition by subtraction.

The same thing as jennings. 7 of purdys 10 interceptions this year have come while targeting Jennings... That should tell you something right there.

Juice sucks, jennings sucks also this year and has been hit too many times and lost his toughness. Both are slow and need to go.

Mcaffrey has no burst anymore either.

The offensive line and the game plan wasn't the reason the Seahawks just crushed the niners. It's the fact that you had no one to stretch the defense and keep the safeties from creeping up. Then you had slow mcaffrey working his season average of 3 ypc...

Coaching staff needs to make changes no stay the same and keep slamming their heads against a wall.

Guys like you basically have the following logic.

Play Tonges cuz he had a big game against the Bears
...
Bears defense sucks who cares how well the offense played with him, Juice offers nothing special against a real defense.

Basically everyone sucks except for the next guy. Same logic a bunch of people have here wanting to fire Shanahan. The next guy will definitely be better...

Whatever the reason, good or bad, Shanahan has one for not playing Tonges more when Kittle is healthy. Him not being a great blocker is one of them. Luke Farrell gets more snaps when Kittle is active.

Whether you like it or not Juszcszyk provides schematic advantages that Kyle uses to help the offense. Tonges doesn't.

No it should be obvious to anyone watching the games tonges has talent above a third string tight end. The dudes making toe tapping touchdown catches and finds the hole every time he's on the field.

It's lack of creativity from shanahan that's the problem. Which is basically what you're alluding to.

The thing that's amazing is there's already rumors that the bills might fire mcdermott if they don't win the SB this year.

Him and shanahan have very similar results yet you hear opposite stories. Both fail to win SB and have some level of success in the "other games"

Shanahan is a great play designer. He's lucky to have Brock purdy who is undoubtedly a great QB.

He has big weaknesses though. The dudes terrible at planning for specific players, his own or opponents, clock management is bad. Even creativity beyond his basic play sheet sucks.

That's why we never saw Mason and mcaffrey on the field at the same time. Won't see tonges with kittle etc...

Dude gets lost in the trees and misses the forest all over the place.

Every year he falls farther behind new and upcoming peers.

He's done enough this year that it won't even be considered for a couple more years entertaining bringing in someone new.

I'm sorry but you're just talking out of you know what with this. There is nothing to show that he's somehow falling behind. The guy is literally in the coach of the year conversations despite insane injuries on the team and you're claiming he's behind his peers.

When you keep throwing out wild and totally unfounded statements with nothing behind them but lots of words...there is nothing to your point in the first place.

Who are these new and upcoming peers who are leaping him? Please do tell us.

Nothing is more annoying than fans who don't really understand the game simply throwing things out there like it's just that simple. And I'm not even implying that I'm some X's and O's wizard...I'm not but I've followed this sport long enough to understand that defenses aren't going to magically stop playing well just cuz you put two players out there at the same position...

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socal1632:
Now you're going into next year depending on a DE with a history of 3 knees, to hold up. There is nothing else on that line, except run stuffers. You traded away Huff and Greenlaw. What is the point of this franchise. 32 years. 32 years. 32 years.

Some of you guys come in here simply just to complain. You're contradicting your thoughts in your own post.

You're concerned about injuries but in the next sentence complain about the team "trading" away Huf(Huff is the guy we traded for who is on the team...who also happens to be only a pass rusher which contradicts your run stuffer only point) and Greenlaw - both players who have a large injury history who also have nothing to do with line play since they're a safety and a linebacker.

What is the point of this franchise the man says...as they're in the playoffs despite crazy impact injuries in a retool season.

Folks can't keep s**t real. Complain about Greenlaw and Huff being gone, yet they couldn't stay on the field….then complaining about injured players. Lol

buddy acts like going to multiple SBs, NFCCs and taking a team that everyone thought was a sub .500 team to 12 wins and a playoff appearance is some s**tty thing isn't being serious with objective debating. They're simply hating and trying to cherry pick anything negative about Kyle all while contradicting themselves.

If they got out of their little Kyle hater club bubble they're understand how bad the coaching is in the NFL. Every yr it's like 6-10 teams looking for a new HC.

the takes are so f**king stupid in here. Bunch of whiny fans.

Yet two guys…Mike McDonald and Ben Johnson (both candidates that were brought up repeatedly when Kyle's fan club asked "well, who would you replace him with?") have their teams primed for a deep run.

Oh, and there's this guy that everyone laughed at…

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196292-two-wordshellipsean-payton/

Three potential quality candidates that could have replaced Shanahan and had this team primed for a SB run, but no….you guys like to pretend there are no good coaches around except for Shanahan

Mike McDonald isn't doing anything with the injuries that Shanahan had to deal with. Neither is Ben Johnson.

You were awfully quiet last week when Ben Johnson took an L by....oh yeah Kyle Shanahan.

Where was McDonald's brilliance week 1 when they lost to us? Shouldn't his brilliance allow him to beat Kyle always?

It must so much intestinal fortitude to stare logic and reason in the face and say "nah, no need for that. I'm just going to say whatever sounds good to me"

Also Mike McDonald took over a 9-8 team and got handed a beautiful situation thanks to that other guy you're propping up handing over a bunch of premium picks for a HORRIBLE contract in Russell Wilson.

Got a backup QB, starting TE and DT and 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks with Pete Carroll drafting most of those top players helping them now.

Things fell perfectly for Seattle under McDonald. Byron Murphy dropping cuz of the crazy rush of offensive players. Easily the best DT in the draft then got Emmanwori who is basically his Kyle Hamilton falling to them.

Wow what a masterful rebuild McDonald had to take on...

Oh look more regular season celebrations. That's why Kyle's supporters think he's better than McVay. McVay beats him in the NFCC and follows it up with a SB. Kyle fans say Kyle is better because he beat him more times in the regular season…

Doesn't stop you from pretending Ben Johnson is somehow already better than Shanahan. What exactly has he won? What has Mike McDonald won?

How about I put you on timeout until Ben Johnson wins the SB since you're feeling so confident in him being able to do something Kyle apparently can't do?

Kyle "fans" say Kyle is better because he has a proven track record even if you believe his resume is worthless because there isn't a SB win in there somewhere.

I also wouldn't say he's better than McVay. I would say they're very close to each other and I have a lot of respect for Sean and think Kyle can be a better coach and talent evaluator if he took some things from Sean. However as always you don't deal with facts. You deal with absolutes.

McVay won that day so he's the better HC. Reality is Kyle was a much better HC that day. The only difference was Sean's players made more plays. Including Matt Stafford making a no look pass to beat our defense, after our safety dropped a likely game sealing interception thrown right to him. Who cares if Sean made two terrible challenges in that game and lost. Who cares if he blew several timeouts. All those bad coaching decisions(actual coaching decisions not based on players doing anything) and just cuz Rams won the game in your mind that's better coaching.

Once again...you don't play in reality.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You do none of that, you do nothing but nonstop troll then play victim when you get called out. There are plenty of people, myself included, who have called out KS for various things, they don't get "mocked" .

Have you really?

See just shows you do nothing but provide s**tty little one liner drive by's. Troll behavior

Troll behavior is making claims without any proof.

C'mon, show us how critical of Shanahan have you been in the past.

Your posts speak for themselves. Stop
playing victim. Just because I don't s**t on him 24/7 doesn't mean I've never been or not been critical. Lol That's you and DrEli go to. Be better

Talk about hyperbole.

Just take a look at my PPD number. Hardly a 24/7 job

Ok bud Just like when we did this song and dance before I did a 2 day sample size of all your posts that highlighted nothing but smarmy one liners and you got all pissy

And all you could come up with was yours and GGG's own posts

Nope that was a totally different instance where you got caught b******tting
oh and btw it was not just me and ggg it was you in there clearly admitting you hadn't watched the game in question after saying "prove where I ever said I don't watch games "