49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

It's different and the 49ers has a head coach who has a difficult time adapting to change

And what gives you that impression? Because players who worked with him have the opposite to say.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

It's different and the 49ers has a head coach who has a difficult time adapting to change

You NAILED it!!!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Examples?

Deebo last year saying that he wasn't getting enough touches. Aiyuk has been mad since that Super Bowl. Jennings this year arguing with Shanahan in the sidelines.

You're reaching IMO.

WRs for the most part are divas. Aiyuk has never been a problem ON the field. A messy contract situation has nothing to do with how he acts on gameday.

Deebo b***hed about his targets then after Shanahan played into those comments rewarded us with a huge drop that possibly cost us a must have game. There is a reason he was traded away.

Jennings should be upset at himself, not Shanahan. He decided to pass up a pretty good offer and bet on himself and isn't getting the return he imagined. Now guys will be coming back soon and his targets will only drop. That's on him, not Kyle.

Those examples to show guys are getting "mad" is a major reach.

I think Ray Ray McCloud made a comment after he left about the coaches playing favorites and there was Jimmy G's brother with that post about the "offensive genius". There are probably a couple others that we're forgetting. But for each of those, you can find a former player singing Kyle's praises (R. Sherman, J. Thomas), so we can take it all with a grain of salt. I'm assuming none of us have access to the locker room or practices, so it's all a guessing game as far as the real feelings behind closed doors.

The reality is that Kyle's a good coach/OC. But let's be honest, if he was great, he'd have at least one SB (2019, 2022, 2023 were all great opportunities to get one). My issue with him is that he hasn't been great in the biggest games. The biggest games for him as a HC are the 4 NFC Championship games and the 2 Super Bowls. In those games, he's 2-4. IMO, he was only great in 1 of them (2019 NFC Championship against GB). The others, there were a lot of questionable play calls, decisions, and missed opportunities. He was still Ok in those games, but champions bring their best during the biggest moments consistently and he hasn't shown me that he does that. If he can improve there or get more consistent, then maybe he can bring home #6. There's always hope.

I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Well, the situations that come to mind real quick would be the 3 and out (I think it was a 3 and out or a quick turnaround) after Fred Warner's interception in the SB 2019, not challenging the D. Smith catch on 4th down on the first drive for PHI in the NFC Championship 2022, the 3rd down play call at the 2 minute drill in SB 2023, the 3rd down play call in OT in SB 2023, choosing to be on offense first in SB 2023. I didn't like him going away from the run in SB 2023. I'd have to review the NFC Championship games against DET and LAR to give you some examples but I walked away from those games feeling like we didn't play our best and Kyle should bear a lot of responsibility for those things. I mean, he is he Head Coach and OC and I didn't think our offense was cooking for any of those games except the 2019 Championship game against the Packers.

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
Well, the situations that come to mind real quick would be the 3 and out (I think it was a 3 and out or a quick turnaround) after Fred Warner's interception in the SB 2019, not challenging the D. Smith catch on 4th down on the first drive for PHI in the NFC Championship 2022, the 3rd down play call at the 2 minute drill in SB 2023, the 3rd down play call in OT in SB 2023, choosing to be on offense first in SB 2023. I didn't like him going away from the run in SB 2023. I'd have to review the NFC Championship games against DET and LAR to give you some examples but I walked away from those games feeling like we didn't play our best and Kyle should bear a lot of responsibility for those things. I mean, he is he Head Coach and OC and I didn't think our offense was cooking for any of those games except the 2019 Championship game against the Packers.

Ok let's go through all of those.

3 and out after Warner's pick in the SB. - going to assume you meant Moore's pick cuz we scored a TD after Warner's pick. We didn't go 3 and out after Moore's pick either. It was a quick drive where Jimmy changed the play on 2nd down then couldn't complete it. How is that on Kyle?

Not challenging Smith's catch vs the Eagles was a tough one but it also should've been an easy overturn by NY that didn't happen. If Shanahan didn't have any players pushing for the review he's not going to risk it. I wish he did obviously but that wasn't the reason they lost that game...

The 3rd down call in the 2023 SB was not an issue in the least bit. Literally if Purdy throws to Aiyuk as McDuffie comes in on the blitz they win the game. The play was there to be made, Purdy didn't make the play.

3rd down in OT was the same thing - two open WRs on the play for a should be TD but Spencer Burford(only playing cuz Feliciano got hurt) literally goes against what he's coached to do and doesn't block the Chiefs best pass rusher. How is that on Kyle?

Kyle didn't go away from the run in that SB either. I thought the same thing watching the game but then went back to look at what happened. He didn't go away from it.

The decision to take the ball first also wasn't an issue except for hindsight. It was the right decision given the information he had at that time.

Reporter: You've said in the past that you don't usually take the playing surface into account when it comes to having a guy being ready or not. Does that hold true for Brock Purdy at MetLife?

Kyle Shanahan: Yes

😐

Originally posted by genus49:
I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Outside of Purdy's injury in the 2022 game, all of the other mentioned situations could have been prevented if Kyle put the team in a better position to win early on. I remember in 2019 right before the half 49ers have the ball and there's a shot of Lynch in the booth jumping up and down making a TO gesture as Kyle milks the clock to get it to half. 2023 we pick Mahomes off on the opening drive second half only to watch Kyle decide to call bone headed plays and not put pressure on KC. You're quick to point out all the faults that players and refs make, but completely ignore that Kyle Shanahan had ample opportunities in all of those games to put the opposing team out of their misery but didnt because of his shoddy play calls. For you the games begin when the opposing team is about to take a lead then you go into your rants about players not executing and refs making bad calls. How about holding your coach accountable for not holding 10 point leads in 3 crucial games (2 SBs and 1 NFCC) instead of blaming the ref, Tartt, and Burford which sounds more like sour grapes…

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
Well, the situations that come to mind real quick would be the 3 and out (I think it was a 3 and out or a quick turnaround) after Fred Warner's interception in the SB 2019, not challenging the D. Smith catch on 4th down on the first drive for PHI in the NFC Championship 2022, the 3rd down play call at the 2 minute drill in SB 2023, the 3rd down play call in OT in SB 2023, choosing to be on offense first in SB 2023. I didn't like him going away from the run in SB 2023. I'd have to review the NFC Championship games against DET and LAR to give you some examples but I walked away from those games feeling like we didn't play our best and Kyle should bear a lot of responsibility for those things. I mean, he is he Head Coach and OC and I didn't think our offense was cooking for any of those games except the 2019 Championship game against the Packers.

Ok let's go through all of those.

3 and out after Warner's pick in the SB. - going to assume you meant Moore's pick cuz we scored a TD after Warner's pick. We didn't go 3 and out after Moore's pick either. It was a quick drive where Jimmy changed the play on 2nd down then couldn't complete it. How is that on Kyle? COULD'VE HAD BETTER PLAYS ON ONE AN THIRD DOWNS SO WE WOULDNT JAVE TO FOCUS ON JIMMY'S SECOND DOWN CHANGE UP.

Not challenging Smith's catch vs the Eagles was a tough one but it also should've been an easy overturn by NY that didn't happen. If Shanahan didn't have any players pushing for the review he's not going to risk it. I wish he did obviously but that wasn't the reason they lost that game... IF HE THROWS THE FLAG, AND ITS OVERTURNED, AND THE EAGLES PUNT, MAYBE IT CHANGES THE PLAYCALLING TRAJECTORY. DIFFERENT MINDSET ON THE ROAD BEING DOWN 7-0 vs 0-0.

The 3rd down call in the 2023 SB was not an issue in the least bit. Literally if Purdy throws to Aiyuk as McDuffie comes in on the blitz they win the game. The play was there to be made, Purdy didn't make the play. SHOULD HAVE HAD BETTER CALLS ON FIRST AND SECOND SO WE DIDNT HAVE TO CONVERT A 3RD AND LONG.

3rd down in OT was the same thing - two open WRs on the play for a should be TD but Spencer Burford(only playing cuz Feliciano got hurt) literally goes against what he's coached to do and doesn't block the Chiefs best pass rusher. How is that on Kyle? SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN DOWN TO 3RD DOWN. COULD HAVE SCORED ON EARLIER DOWNS OR MAYNE NOT TAKE IT FIRST IN OT SO YOU HAVE 4 DOWNS TO WORK WITH IN THAT SCENARIO.

Kyle didn't go away from the run in that SB either. I thought the same thing watching the game but then went back to look at what happened. He didn't go away from it. HE DID GO AWAY FROM IT. ONLY IN YOUR BIASED MIND HE DIDNT.

The decision to take the ball first also wasn't an issue except for hindsight. It was the right decision given the information he had at that time. WAS ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG DECISION. THATS BEEN DEBATED MANY TIMES THROUGH AND MOST PPL OUTSIDE OF KYLE FANS AGREE HE BOTCHED IT.

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Examples?

Deebo last year saying that he wasn't getting enough touches. Aiyuk has been mad since that Super Bowl. Jennings this year arguing with Shanahan in the sidelines.

You're reaching IMO.

WRs for the most part are divas. Aiyuk has never been a problem ON the field. A messy contract situation has nothing to do with how he acts on gameday.

Deebo b***hed about his targets then after Shanahan played into those comments rewarded us with a huge drop that possibly cost us a must have game. There is a reason he was traded away.

Jennings should be upset at himself, not Shanahan. He decided to pass up a pretty good offer and bet on himself and isn't getting the return he imagined. Now guys will be coming back soon and his targets will only drop. That's on him, not Kyle.

Those examples to show guys are getting "mad" is a major reach.

I think Ray Ray McCloud made a comment after he left about the coaches playing favorites and there was Jimmy G's brother with that post about the "offensive genius". There are probably a couple others that we're forgetting. But for each of those, you can find a former player singing Kyle's praises (R. Sherman, J. Thomas), so we can take it all with a grain of salt. I'm assuming none of us have access to the locker room or practices, so it's all a guessing game as far as the real feelings behind closed doors.

The reality is that Kyle's a good coach/OC. But let's be honest, if he was great, he'd have at least one SB (2019, 2022, 2023 were all great opportunities to get one). My issue with him is that he hasn't been great in the biggest games. The biggest games for him as a HC are the 4 NFC Championship games and the 2 Super Bowls. In those games, he's 2-4. IMO, he was only great in 1 of them (2019 NFC Championship against GB). The others, there were a lot of questionable play calls, decisions, and missed opportunities. He was still Ok in those games, but champions bring their best during the biggest moments consistently and he hasn't shown me that he does that. If he can improve there or get more consistent, then maybe he can bring home #6. There's always hope.

I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Well, the situations that come to mind real quick would be the 3 and out (I think it was a 3 and out or a quick turnaround) after Fred Warner's interception in the SB 2019, not challenging the D. Smith catch on 4th down on the first drive for PHI in the NFC Championship 2022, the 3rd down play call at the 2 minute drill in SB 2023, the 3rd down play call in OT in SB 2023, choosing to be on offense first in SB 2023. I didn't like him going away from the run in SB 2023. I'd have to review the NFC Championship games against DET and LAR to give you some examples but I walked away from those games feeling like we didn't play our best and Kyle should bear a lot of responsibility for those things. I mean, he is he Head Coach and OC and I didn't think our offense was cooking for any of those games except the 2019 Championship game against the Packers.

I didn't like him going away from the run in 2023.... lol
Imagine if KS went to your job and started to talk s**t about what he didnt like about what you do not knowing s**t about how your job is done. Id love for KS to come to my job and tell me how to run payroll for 50 states and US territories... then talk some s**t about Brazilian payroll too! Results matter, and his results are better than any coach we've had in the last 4 decades INCLUDING Jim Harbaugh (and I loved JH's grit). With the injuries that have devastated this team to be 5-3 is absolutely ridiculous. I was at the Texans game this week and yeah was disappointed but f**k man... Practice squad players trying to rush the passer? You all can say what you want about Mac Jones, hes NOT mobile and with this OL will not be as good as BP13

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:
I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Outside of Purdy's injury in the 2022 game, all of the other mentioned situations could have been prevented if Kyle put the team in a better position to win early on. I remember in 2019 right before the half 49ers have the ball and there's a shot of Lynch in the booth jumping up and down making a TO gesture as Kyle milks the clock to get it to half. 2023 we pick Mahomes off on the opening drive second half only to watch Kyle decide to call bone headed plays and not put pressure on KC. You're quick to point out all the faults that players and refs make, but completely ignore that Kyle Shanahan had ample opportunities in all of those games to put the opposing team out of their misery but didnt because of his shoddy play calls. For you the games begin when the opposing team is about to take a lead then you go into your rants about players not executing and refs making bad calls. How about holding your coach accountable for not holding 10 point leads in 3 crucial games (2 SBs and 1 NFCC) instead of blaming the ref, Tartt, and Burford which sounds more like sour grapes…

Once again you're being completely unserious with these takes.

You can't give me a single legit example of Kyle not putting the team in position to win early. You're literally arguing against yourself with that considering you love to claim Shanahan can't hold a lead. Which is it? He's not setting them up for success early or he can't coach with a lead late?

This is why these narratives are so lazy.

Players have to make the plays on the field. Coaches can only do so much and in every single one of those games outside the Eagles, Kyle had the team ready to play above their expectations. Sour grapes to you is logic to most. When you hold a coach responsible for a player freelancing on a key play that's your bias showing. That's not being a serious person.

I'll hold Harbaugh accountable for blowing the SB vs the Ravens. A game we should've ran away with since we were better than them almost across the board and yet we were nearly blown out and even with a chance to finally get the lead we don't run our best player once and his horrible method of calling plays at the goal line cost us a timeout and killed the likely walk in game leading TD.

THAT is poor coaching. And yet your opinion is Harbaugh > Shanahan.

Not only are your takes lazy but you're inconsistent with them too.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:
I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Outside of Purdy's injury in the 2022 game, all of the other mentioned situations could have been prevented if Kyle put the team in a better position to win early on. I remember in 2019 right before the half 49ers have the ball and there's a shot of Lynch in the booth jumping up and down making a TO gesture as Kyle milks the clock to get it to half. 2023 we pick Mahomes off on the opening drive second half only to watch Kyle decide to call bone headed plays and not put pressure on KC. You're quick to point out all the faults that players and refs make, but completely ignore that Kyle Shanahan had ample opportunities in all of those games to put the opposing team out of their misery but didnt because of his shoddy play calls. For you the games begin when the opposing team is about to take a lead then you go into your rants about players not executing and refs making bad calls. How about holding your coach accountable for not holding 10 point leads in 3 crucial games (2 SBs and 1 NFCC) instead of blaming the ref, Tartt, and Burford which sounds more like sour grapes…

Once again you're being completely unserious with these takes.

You can't give me a single legit example of Kyle not putting the team in position to win early. You're literally arguing against yourself with that considering you love to claim Shanahan can't hold a lead. Which is it? He's not setting them up for success early or he can't coach with a lead late?

This is why these narratives are so lazy.

Players have to make the plays on the field. Coaches can only do so much and in every single one of those games outside the Eagles, Kyle had the team ready to play above their expectations. Sour grapes to you is logic to most. When you hold a coach responsible for a player freelancing on a key play that's your bias showing. That's not being a serious person.

I'll hold Harbaugh accountable for blowing the SB vs the Ravens. A game we should've ran away with since we were better than them almost across the board and yet we were nearly blown out and even with a chance to finally get the lead we don't run our best player once and his horrible method of calling plays at the goal line cost us a timeout and killed the likely walk in game leading TD.

THAT is poor coaching. And yet your opinion is Harbaugh > Shanahan.

Not only are your takes lazy but you're inconsistent with them too.

You know fans across the league view shanahan as a choker and a loser. Even in that eagles game he failed to challenge the early catch by Smith. Even on that play where purdy gets injured he has the back up te blocking their best rusher. Even after all that before the half with their fourth qb down 14-7 instead of taking it to the half he decides to air it out causing a fumble and going into half down 21-7.

Enough. His in game adjustments have to be the worst I've ever seen.

There's a reason he was 0-44 or something like that being down by 8 going into the 4th.

He will always be viewed as a huge loser unless he somehow manages to win it all.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You know fans across the league view shanahan as a choker and a loser. Even in that eagles game he failed to challenge the early catch by Smith. Even on that play where purdy gets injured he has the back up te blocking their best rusher. Even after all that before the half with their fourth qb down 14-7 instead of taking it to the half he decides to air it out causing a fumble and going into half down 21-7.

Enough. His in game adjustments have to be the worst I've ever seen.

There's a reason he was 0-44 or something like that being down by 8 going into the 4th.

He will always be viewed as a huge loser unless he somehow manages to win it all.

You mean the trolls or casuals? Cuz if you ask anyone who actually respects the game and follows it closely doesn't make those comments.

You're back posting nonsense. First of all those numbers are updated. Second it's absolutely idiotic to claim the guy is a huge loser after what he's done as a HC.

And once again you just like DrEll are arguing against your own takes as long as it puts Kyle in a bad light.

Not challenging the Smith reception is not something that lost that game. It was not an easy thing to see and the guys near the play weren't adamant it was dropped, wasting a timeout and a challenge that early in the game when you don't have guys yelling that it was a drop for sure is a big gamble. The fact that it was so clear on camera means the NFL office in NY should've overturned it...instead they claimed they didn't have that angle which was an absolute joke.

The Purdy injury wasn't on Kyle. Brock makes that play every time the following season. If he steps up or throws with anticipation that's a huge play to Aiyuk if not a possible TD. Both things Brock improved on as a result of that play.

As for the last part this is where you're just b***hing against your own narratives. First of all everyone here knows you would've absolutely been blasting Kyle for being too conservative for not trying to get points with over a minute left in the half. Yet somehow Johnson being unable to field a standard shotgun snap is on Shanahan for not just running out the clock and going into the half down by a TD with your 4th string QB...

Absolutely laughable hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Every team does have injuries. It differs from year to year but obviously some team is going to have the most. How many did the #2 team have. What about #3. The raw numbers don't differentiate between starters and backups. It's not the number of injuries as much as who is getting injured. This year has been especially brutal with the starting QB injured, the #1 and #2 receivers out, a pro bowl edge rusher out for the year and a future HOF LB out for the year.

It's interesting that the 49ers went to 2 SBs during that period. Both times they had fewer injuries.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Every team does have injuries. It differs from year to year but obviously some team is going to have the most. How many did the #2 team have. What about #3. The raw numbers don't differentiate between starters and backups. It's not the number of injuries as much as who is getting injured. This year has been especially brutal with the starting QB injured, the #1 and #2 receivers out, a pro bowl edge rusher out for the year and a future HOF LB out for the year.

It's interesting that the 49ers went to 2 SBs during that period. Both times they had fewer injuries.

2023 was our least injury riddled season and unfortunately we got bit with injuries at key spots in that last game.

2019 we were still one of the top injured teams but battled through it. Both Staley and McGlinchey missed a bunch of time. Key depth injuries hurt us for that SB as well.

Richburg, DJ Jones, Ronnie Blair, Jason Verrett. All could've been key contributors in that game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Every team does have injuries. It differs from year to year but obviously some team is going to have the most. How many did the #2 team have. What about #3. The raw numbers don't differentiate between starters and backups. It's not the number of injuries as much as who is getting injured. This year has been especially brutal with the starting QB injured, the #1 and #2 receivers out, a pro bowl edge rusher out for the year and a future HOF LB out for the year.

It's interesting that the 49ers went to 2 SBs during that period. Both times they had fewer injuries.

2023 was our least injury riddled season and unfortunately we got bit with injuries at key spots in that last game.

2019 we were still one of the top injured teams but battled through it. Both Staley and McGlinchey missed a bunch of time. Key depth injuries hurt us for that SB as well.

Richburg, DJ Jones, Ronnie Blair, Jason Verrett. All could've been key contributors in that game.

I wonder how they calculate that number? There were 139 games played from 2017 until last week's game. 139 into 2035 comes out to 14.5. I don't think the Niners have had an average of nearly 15 players listed as out every week. I'm curious where they come up with the numbers.