49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

and the same CYCLE will happen... the CORE of this team is now on the down side, either by age or by injury.. Brick by Brick Brothers will continue to reach for players who will continue to be such bust... 5 years from now, we'll continue to look competetive and be posting same pains that we are posting now..

It took the "Brick by Brick Brothers" 2 years starting with a much weaker roster to get the team to the SB.

I'll take that type of cycle because I believe much more in the QB we have now vs the guy who went to the SB with us that season.

ain't arguing that.. but the window is now close... they had their chances but it was just not enough.. ceiling reached and that's the bottom line.. BBB won't win one anyhow, why not test the water and see what happens.

A different coach who isn't as good isn't going to suddenly make the team a bigger contender. Tbh if they still had Fred and Bosa they'd be a real contender this year. Not top 3 yeah but a chance if they got hot at the right time.

Kyle is getting a lot of out a little right now and you don't replace that.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
and the same CYCLE will happen... the CORE of this team is now on the down side, either by age or by injury.. Brick by Brick Brothers will continue to reach for players who will continue to be such bust... 5 years from now, we'll continue to look competetive and be posting same pains that we are posting now..

It took the "Brick by Brick Brothers" 2 years starting with a much weaker roster to get the team to the SB.

I'll take that type of cycle because I believe much more in the QB we have now vs the guy who went to the SB with us that season.

ain't arguing that.. but the window is now close... they had their chances but it was just not enough.. ceiling reached and that's the bottom line.. BBB won't win one anyhow, why not test the water and see what happens.

A different coach who isn't as good isn't going to suddenly make the team a bigger contender. Tbh if they still had Fred and Bosa they'd be a real contender this year. Not top 3 yeah but a chance if they got hot at the right time.

Kyle is getting a lot of out a little right now and you don't replace that.

Not just Warner and Bosa. What about all the receivers they haven't had available.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Examples?

Deebo last year saying that he wasn't getting enough touches. Aiyuk has been mad since that Super Bowl. Jennings this year arguing with Shanahan in the sidelines.

You're reaching IMO.

WRs for the most part are divas. Aiyuk has never been a problem ON the field. A messy contract situation has nothing to do with how he acts on gameday.

Deebo b***hed about his targets then after Shanahan played into those comments rewarded us with a huge drop that possibly cost us a must have game. There is a reason he was traded away.

Jennings should be upset at himself, not Shanahan. He decided to pass up a pretty good offer and bet on himself and isn't getting the return he imagined. Now guys will be coming back soon and his targets will only drop. That's on him, not Kyle.

Those examples to show guys are getting "mad" is a major reach.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
and the same CYCLE will happen... the CORE of this team is now on the down side, either by age or by injury.. Brick by Brick Brothers will continue to reach for players who will continue to be such bust... 5 years from now, we'll continue to look competetive and be posting same pains that we are posting now..

It took the "Brick by Brick Brothers" 2 years starting with a much weaker roster to get the team to the SB.

I'll take that type of cycle because I believe much more in the QB we have now vs the guy who went to the SB with us that season.

ain't arguing that.. but the window is now close... they had their chances but it was just not enough.. ceiling reached and that's the bottom line.. BBB won't win one anyhow, why not test the water and see what happens.

A different coach who isn't as good isn't going to suddenly make the team a bigger contender. Tbh if they still had Fred and Bosa they'd be a real contender this year. Not top 3 yeah but a chance if they got hot at the right time.

Kyle is getting a lot of out a little right now and you don't replace that.

Not just Warner and Bosa. What about all the receivers they haven't had available.

Yeah I didn't have high expectations due to so many unknowns this year from young players but I think it's safe to say if our team was fully healthy we would 100% be in the NFC SB picture.

Hell we're still technically in it...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Examples?

Deebo last year saying that he wasn't getting enough touches. Aiyuk has been mad since that Super Bowl. Jennings this year arguing with Shanahan in the sidelines.

You're reaching IMO.

WRs for the most part are divas. Aiyuk has never been a problem ON the field. A messy contract situation has nothing to do with how he acts on gameday.

Deebo b***hed about his targets then after Shanahan played into those comments rewarded us with a huge drop that possibly cost us a must have game. There is a reason he was traded away.

Jennings should be upset at himself, not Shanahan. He decided to pass up a pretty good offer and bet on himself and isn't getting the return he imagined. Now guys will be coming back soon and his targets will only drop. That's on him, not Kyle.

Those examples to show guys are getting "mad" is a major reach.

I think Ray Ray McCloud made a comment after he left about the coaches playing favorites and there was Jimmy G's brother with that post about the "offensive genius". There are probably a couple others that we're forgetting. But for each of those, you can find a former player singing Kyle's praises (R. Sherman, J. Thomas), so we can take it all with a grain of salt. I'm assuming none of us have access to the locker room or practices, so it's all a guessing game as far as the real feelings behind closed doors.

The reality is that Kyle's a good coach/OC. But let's be honest, if he was great, he'd have at least one SB (2019, 2022, 2023 were all great opportunities to get one). My issue with him is that he hasn't been great in the biggest games. The biggest games for him as a HC are the 4 NFC Championship games and the 2 Super Bowls. In those games, he's 2-4. IMO, he was only great in 1 of them (2019 NFC Championship against GB). The others, there were a lot of questionable play calls, decisions, and missed opportunities. He was still Ok in those games, but champions bring their best during the biggest moments consistently and he hasn't shown me that he does that. If he can improve there or get more consistent, then maybe he can bring home #6. There's always hope.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Yeah this season is honestly outside of anything I can remember. Obviously 2022 was crazy in the fact that we kept getting hit at the most important position but ironically we wound up having our best QB out there...unfortunately until even he got injured. 4 QBs injured. 2 in the same game smh...

This year has been insane because we're getting hit not only at our best guys but same positions are getting gutted too.

WRs early on. Now our pass rushers. Kyle can scheme around the WR issues and CMC has been helping there(some have joked he's syphoning off all the other players' health to stay out there ) but when you're down your top 3 pass rushers, then arguably lose your 4th guy in that game it's too much to overcome especially when you don't have a Fred Warner out there.

Shanahan isn't going anywhere and I trust him to call the game more than others. He'll eventually get a SB I believe and I believe it will be with the Niners. This year? I don't think so. I think they are missing too many pieces both with injury and some positions. I want to see what they do before the trade deadline IF it makes sense long term. I think they are in the mold of playing now and building on what they have. I give credit to Shanahan for them being 5-3 and at least being in the race. If they can shore up a couple of positions with the trade deadline and do so with players that are under contract for a couple of more years, and then get healthy by the end of the season and peak at the right time . . . maybe, just maybe they can sneak in? I'm hopeful at least but we'll see. Right now it is just game by game. Let's see how Shanahan does with the Giants and then the Rams. Not looking past that at this time. Again though, Shanahan isn't going anywhere and I' m okay with that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
and the same CYCLE will happen... the CORE of this team is now on the down side, either by age or by injury.. Brick by Brick Brothers will continue to reach for players who will continue to be such bust... 5 years from now, we'll continue to look competetive and be posting same pains that we are posting now..

It took the "Brick by Brick Brothers" 2 years starting with a much weaker roster to get the team to the SB.

I'll take that type of cycle because I believe much more in the QB we have now vs the guy who went to the SB with us that season.

ain't arguing that.. but the window is now close... they had their chances but it was just not enough.. ceiling reached and that's the bottom line.. BBB won't win one anyhow, why not test the water and see what happens.

A different coach who isn't as good isn't going to suddenly make the team a bigger contender. Tbh if they still had Fred and Bosa they'd be a real contender this year. Not top 3 yeah but a chance if they got hot at the right time.

Kyle is getting a lot of out a little right now and you don't replace that.

Not just Warner and Bosa. What about all the receivers they haven't had available.

Yeah I didn't have high expectations due to so many unknowns this year from young players but I think it's safe to say if our team was fully healthy we would 100% be in the NFC SB picture.

Hell we're still technically in it...

FULLY AGREE ON ALL THE " WHAT IFs"

- Marty not faced Denver on those two AFCCG, he would have gone to 2 Super Bowls
- Ref saw the holding on the Baltimore Kick Return for a TD against us in the Super Bowl, the younger Harbaugh would be wearing a Super Bowl Ring
- Billups not drop a sure INT againt the 49ers in the Super Bowl, Joe would have had a one INT under his Super Bowl Stat
- Ditka wanted a TD for Walter, he would have handed him the ball 7x more than The Fridge

should we continue ??

Ever dawn on all your minds that maybe.... JUST maybe, Shanny just not gonna win a Super Bowl here? All the 7 Signs are there...

1) The Thomas over Mahomes Fiasco
2) The Turn Down (Brady)
3) The Turn Down II (Staff)
4) The KC Choke
5) The KC Choke II
6) The OL Theory
7) The Injuries

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Examples?

Deebo last year saying that he wasn't getting enough touches. Aiyuk has been mad since that Super Bowl. Jennings this year arguing with Shanahan in the sidelines.

You're reaching IMO.

WRs for the most part are divas. Aiyuk has never been a problem ON the field. A messy contract situation has nothing to do with how he acts on gameday.

Deebo b***hed about his targets then after Shanahan played into those comments rewarded us with a huge drop that possibly cost us a must have game. There is a reason he was traded away.

Jennings should be upset at himself, not Shanahan. He decided to pass up a pretty good offer and bet on himself and isn't getting the return he imagined. Now guys will be coming back soon and his targets will only drop. That's on him, not Kyle.

Those examples to show guys are getting "mad" is a major reach.

I think Ray Ray McCloud made a comment after he left about the coaches playing favorites and there was Jimmy G's brother with that post about the "offensive genius". There are probably a couple others that we're forgetting. But for each of those, you can find a former player singing Kyle's praises (R. Sherman, J. Thomas), so we can take it all with a grain of salt. I'm assuming none of us have access to the locker room or practices, so it's all a guessing game as far as the real feelings behind closed doors.

The reality is that Kyle's a good coach/OC. But let's be honest, if he was great, he'd have at least one SB (2019, 2022, 2023 were all great opportunities to get one). My issue with him is that he hasn't been great in the biggest games. The biggest games for him as a HC are the 4 NFC Championship games and the 2 Super Bowls. In those games, he's 2-4. IMO, he was only great in 1 of them (2019 NFC Championship against GB). The others, there were a lot of questionable play calls, decisions, and missed opportunities. He was still Ok in those games, but champions bring their best during the biggest moments consistently and he hasn't shown me that he does that. If he can improve there or get more consistent, then maybe he can bring home #6. There's always hope.

I think it was Willie Snead you're talking about, though McCloud could've said something similar. Reality is there are roster politics at play in most cases. I'd say 49ers under Kyle do that less than most teams - just look at all the UDFAs who make the roster. And it's kind of silly to bring up those guys complaining about not getting their time as if they're worth playing...I'll take guys like Joe Thomas and Sherm who have been around some great and bad coaches and know what they're talking about more than scrubs being upset they didn't get playing time over higher drafted scrubs.

And I'm sorry no matter how people present the "you're only great if you win the SB" thing I just can't take that talk seriously. Coaches do not play in games. Can you show me those big games and tell me how many the team came in unprepared for? Or how many of them the players weren't put in a position to succeed?

Coaches can't make the plays for the players. The fact that the 49ers were in the SB in 2019 should be a major feather in Shanahan's coaching cap and yet you guys use it as a negative because we lost that game. I can show you countless plays that were missed by Garoppolo in that game that Kyle dialed up. I can show you Jimmy G audibling to a pass play in the 4th quarter then not completing it. I can show you the overthrow to Sanders who was open for a TD. I can show you Chris Jones simply making a great play to knock down a pass to an open George Kittle that would've kept the drive and clock going with us holding a lead. I can show you the misplay by our defense on the 3rd and 15 conversion by Mahomes. That's not even getting into the terrible officiating discrepancy we had vs KC in that game.

In 2021 you had the Tartt dropped pick. You had the failure to convert on 2nd/3rd and short. And once again that was a team that had no business being in the NFCCG vs that Rams squad. Yet here you are putting that L on Shanahan.

2022 in the NFCCG with QB3 and we want to blame Shanahan for that loss too with no QB out there?

2023 injuries mid game to Greenlaw and Feliciano, muffed punt by McCloud(who should keep his mouth shut for that f up), Burford doing his own thing on a would be TD play in OT. Defense making it easy for Mahomes in OT.

Why don't you remind me of those questionable playcalls, decisions and missed opportunities that are coaching related. I'd love to understand your POV on this one.

Originally posted by 9moon:
FULLY AGREE ON ALL THE " WHAT IFs"

- Marty not faced Denver on those two AFCCG, he would have gone to 2 Super Bowls
- Ref saw the holding on the Baltimore Kick Return for a TD against us in the Super Bowl, the younger Harbaugh would be wearing a Super Bowl Ring
- Billups not drop a sure INT againt the 49ers in the Super Bowl, Joe would have had a one INT under his Super Bowl Stat
- Ditka wanted a TD for Walter, he would have handed him the ball 7x more than The Fridge

should we continue ??

Ever dawn on all your minds that maybe.... JUST maybe, Shanny just not gonna win a Super Bowl here? All the 7 Signs are there...

1) The Thomas over Mahomes Fiasco
2) The Turn Down (Brady)
3) The Turn Down II (Staff)
4) The KC Choke
5) The KC Choke II
6) The OL Theory
7) The Injuries

I honestly have no idea what you're babbling about.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
FULLY AGREE ON ALL THE " WHAT IFs"

- Marty not faced Denver on those two AFCCG, he would have gone to 2 Super Bowls
- Ref saw the holding on the Baltimore Kick Return for a TD against us in the Super Bowl, the younger Harbaugh would be wearing a Super Bowl Ring
- Billups not drop a sure INT againt the 49ers in the Super Bowl, Joe would have had a one INT under his Super Bowl Stat
- Ditka wanted a TD for Walter, he would have handed him the ball 7x more than The Fridge

should we continue ??

Ever dawn on all your minds that maybe.... JUST maybe, Shanny just not gonna win a Super Bowl here? All the 7 Signs are there...

1) The Thomas over Mahomes Fiasco
2) The Turn Down (Brady)
3) The Turn Down II (Staff)
4) The KC Choke
5) The KC Choke II
6) The OL Theory
7) The Injuries

I honestly have no idea what you're babbling about.

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Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

It's different and the 49ers has a head coach who has a difficult time adapting to change