49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I'd say we played like a B- overall type of game and still put up like 500 yards of offense lol...

it was a clinic.. scheming Deebo on that fat LB they spent a couple ones on

The Seahawks took away the medium deep between the numbers. Brock made them paid with the pin point deep throws.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So apparently Kyle promised a xmas gift to whoever was able to get under DK's skin yesterday. No wonder them boys were fighting over turnovers when Lock was targeting DK. 🤣 Fred Litterally stole an INT from the rook which is what caused the scrum at the end. The rook Brown would have had two on the day.

It's Michael Silver saying it soooo I'm guessing he pulled it outta his ass and is causing drama.

bounty gate 2.0

If it's true, I see no issue with it, so long as coaches didn't advocate anything dirty. I've never seen anything from our team that would indicate that we'd heinously target players. You can get under an opposing player's skin by smack talk and physical (but still legal) play.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So apparently Kyle promised a xmas gift to whoever was able to get under DK's skin yesterday. No wonder them boys were fighting over turnovers when Lock was targeting DK. 🤣 Fred Litterally stole an INT from the rook which is what caused the scrum at the end. The rook Brown would have had two on the day.

It's Michael Silver saying it soooo I'm guessing he pulled it outta his ass and is causing drama.

bounty gate 2.0

If it's true, I see no issue with it, so long as coaches didn't advocate anything dirty. I've never seen anything from our team that would indicate that we'd heinously target players. You can get under an opposing player's skin by smack talk and physical (but still legal) play.

Here's how you get under DKs skin, get within eyesight of DK

Let's say we ignore Kyle's blunder on that before halftime situation, shouldn't the clock have stopped anyway? It was a penalty on Seattle and even if there wasn't a penalty wouldn't still be an incompletion stopping the clock? I was so confused by that.

Originally posted by est1985:
Let's say we ignore Kyle's blunder on that before halftime situation, shouldn't the clock have stopped anyway? It was a penalty on Seattle and even if there wasn't a penalty wouldn't still be an incompletion stopping the clock? I was so confused by that.

Kyle has the choice to accept or decline the run off, he decided not to. It was an interesting choice to say the least, definitely a head scratcher.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by est1985:
Let's say we ignore Kyle's blunder on that before halftime situation, shouldn't the clock have stopped anyway? It was a penalty on Seattle and even if there wasn't a penalty wouldn't still be an incompletion stopping the clock? I was so confused by that.

Kyle has the choice to accept or decline the run off, he decided not to. It was an interesting choice to say the least, definitely a head scratcher.

I understand the runoff aspect. Doesn't the clock still stop after the runoff?

For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Yes in principle. Difference is the 1994 team was after over a decade of seeing similar offenses, so it was expected and felt like clockwork, with nearly zero tension around it. As well as the offense had played this year I still feel a bit in a dream expecting to wake up and for it to go away.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

not really...no...

Both teams had questionable o-line....so that is similar....but the offense is different.

This team runs the ball better for sure for starters....but.... Ricky Watters was a deeper threat in the passing game. Ricky Watters sure feels like a bigger part of the passing game then CMC feels to be...to me...they could end up with similar numbers at the end of the year...but it does feel different to me. Ricky lined up outside and did more WR things the way I remember it. Watters ended up that year with 700 yards through pass receptions on 88 targets. CMC right now is in the 400s with 50 targets.

The 94 team had a polar opposite passing game, and focus on shorter passes with more RAC.

Rice, Taylor and Jones were in the 13 yards per catch area, Deebo is at 16+ and BA is almost at 19 yards per catch.

19 YPC back then was rarer...that is flirting with Alvin "I only run go routs" Harper type stuff. No one ran crossing patterns at 20 yards as a bread and butter play back then.

I have never seen a 49er team throw the ball deep as often as this team. I have never seen a QB this good at going for the Jugular as often as I have seen Purdy do it.

Deebo has a little Rice in him, in that you have to hold your breath when he gets a ball in space...because he can break free and run....so there is that....but BA is no John Taylor...not even post injury level John Taylor. Even post injury Taylor was a better YAC guy then BA.

BA is probably a better WR than JT, but we never saw JT as a primary target.

So yeah...to me... it was just different.

I love young, I got lit-up in the Montana vs Young thread for saying I go with Young over Montana to build an offense from scratch due to mobility and Joe's injury issues....but Purdy is something else.... never seen a QB do what he is doing with the ball. Purdy is out QBing the 94 49ers this year.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
not really...no...

Both teams had questionable o-line....so that is similar....but the offense is different.

This team is run the ball better for sure for starters....but.... Ricky Watters was a deeper threat in the passing game. Ricky Watters sure feels like a bigger part of the passing game then CMC feels to be...to me...they could end up with similar numbers at the end of the year...but it does feel different to me. Ricky lined up outside and did more WR things the way I remember it. Watters ended up that year with 700 yards through pass receptions on 88 targets. CMC right now is in the 400s with 50 targets.

The 94 team had a polar opposite passing game, and focus on shorter passes with more RAC.

Rice, Taylor and Jones were in the 13 yards per catch area, Deebo is at 16+ and BA is almost at 19 yards per catch.

19 YPC back then was rarer...that is flirting with Alvin "I only run go routs" Harper type stuff. No one ran crossing patterns at 20 yards as a bread and butter play back then.

I have never seen a 49er team throw the ball deep as often as this team. I have never seen a QB this good at going for the Jugular as often as I have seen Purdy do it.

Deebo has a little Rice in him, in that you have to hold your breath when he gets a ball in space...because he can break free and run....so there is that....but BA is no John Taylor...not even post injury level John Taylor. Even post injury Taylor was a better YAC guy then BA.

BA is probably a better WR than JT, but we never saw JT as a primary target.

So yeah...to me... it was just different.

I love young, I got lit-up in the Montana vs Young thread for saying I go with Young over Montana to build an offense from scratch due to mobility and Joe's injury issues....but Purdy is something else.... never seen a QB do what he is doing with the ball. Purdy is out QBing the 94 49ers this year.

Lol… rightfully so, though those are two things to throw in Steve's bucket for the comparison. Steve was my favorite player but Joe was just a smarter QB.

Wonder how long its going to be before Purdy is thrown in the mix in comparison, beyond just saying he's the best QB we've had since Garcia. Probably not long, especially if we grab a ring.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Similar in that we have a lot of ways to beat you. You have to look for a way to beat certain teams. I don't think our current team is built to simply drop back and throw all day. Only BA reliably uncovers, and we don't have a bunch of great pass protectors. When we lost, it was no Trent, we couldn't run and we struggled to pass as well. We became more one dimensional.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Similar in that we have a lot of ways to beat you. You have to look for a way to beat certain teams. I don't think our current team is built to simply drop back and throw all day. Only BA reliably uncovers, and we don't have a bunch of great pass protectors. When we lost, it was no Trent, we couldn't run and we struggled to pass as well. We became more one dimensional.

still feel like they should have won 1 or 2 of those even without those guys.

8Originally posted by Heroism:For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Hero, I was thinking more of the glory days of the 80s. Steve was a running QB, or whenever he got some open field, he ran it. He was a great passer, but his running is what i remember most, including even young guys have seen of Steve's TD run after 13 guys tried to tackle him and he kept going. Classic in 9er hx.

So I think more of the cerebral, great faking, cool under pressure, able to scramble when needed, cool hand Joe…who was looked up to by every guy on the team and not just 9er fans. Joe was something special, he could read a D in an instant, and he was a pinpoint passer. He also had the GOAT HC , AND , some fairly decent help from JT, Jerry, Brent, Ricky Watters, Rath (?), and so on. The West coast O was gradually picked up by virtually everyone.

Compare that to the best OC/HC in the league (already with 3 former DCs or OCs now HCs elsewhere), and the virtual scheming of ball handlers to get open. Naturally Kyle has an exquisite basically rook QB, (he's now played one yr's worth of games), some fair talent in #85 , #71, Brandon, CMC, au Jus, Deebo of course, and one helluva D (and a DC who is not all that bad either). Plus we got Nick, Arik, Chase, et all plus league's best two LB tandem.

Talent wise, this team is actually more talented than Joe's teams were, but Joe was a magician with the ball…sometimes you could follow the ball, and sometimes it was a magic trick and disappeared. Brock is an excellent faker , as was Joe. Brock is a wizard at rapidly reading Ds, and then knows where the play is going. Joe was excellent at reading Ds, and knowing where the ball had to go. Watching JT , Jerry and Joe was like the best movie you ever saw. Watching Kittle, BA, Deebo, and CMC playing catch with Brock is very similar…but bigger yards with Kyle / Brock. The blocking scheme , Inside or outside zone is just a thing of beauty to watch. I can't recall the OL run blocking being so fantastic way back then, which was basically just man/power.. These guys, startling with # 71 is just like watching a perfect ballet, except on grass with stripes every 10 yards.

When i put it all together Hero, this team reminds me a lot of Jerry, JT, Joe, Coach Walsh . I see some similarities to the 94 team, but overall, this team reminds me of the glory days of the 80's. Joe, Jerry , and Coach Walsh were like a mystic thruout the league. Now we are seeing Kyle start to become recognized as the best OC/HC out there. He's not in the Walsh category, but you can sort of seeing it coming. Brock is a little different, in that he is so young. But even so, he is leading NFL in 4 QB categories, (% completion passes, QBR, TD/INT ratio, etc). Brock is better than Joe was early on, altho you could see Joe start to bring it more and more with each passing game. Brock OTOH, started 48 games in Big 10 football which is more than Joe had gotten to do at ND.

Honestly, i feel it in my bones that Brock is following in Joe's footsteps, and had a shot at winning it all with just a partial season his first yr here. Only injury kept that from telling the tale. Brock is not Joe. He is Brock and who knows how we'll look at him five yrs down the road. And he has to stay injury free. If he stays healthy, i really think we have another Joe in the making, altho Brock will be his own man and will be Brock…not Joe. Joe was a one of a kind, and is still worshipped now, some 40 yrs later. Brock has got some work to do to accomplish in a different manner, the greatness of Joe.

But yeah, our team now reminds me of the Joe/Jerry/GOAT HC teams.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Recently It does from the standpoint that I feel like we can score from anywhere and expect to score on every possession