49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

You're so salty Jimmy played well. LOL. Plus Stafford got worked again so 9ers4eva and you had a really rough day. We're here to get you through it though! LOL

Yeah, Jimmy mentioned he and Kittle's communication was off on that one but I wasn't sure what Jimmy was expecting him to do there? He sat down thinking it was a blitz? Keep going with the route? Either way that was Bad Jimmy there on the throw.

so you go on about cleaning things up and agree with me on jimmy on this play and you calling me salty lol

I still haven't seen you post a positive thing on Jimmy's play!

If I missed it, apologies.

I'm mostly playing...but yes, definitely agree with you on that one for sure.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Since it was Kyle's, the defense's and others fault for losing not jimmy's.. then they should get all the credit for the win right ? lol

Makes perfect sense to me. I mean that is completely different than its been over the past few years. Jimmy gets all the credit when we win and Kyle gets all the blame when we lose.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

Jimmy basically had at least one play to satisfy every fan's Good Jimmy Wishlist.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

If he was in the slot next to Kittle before the snap than yes he was close. That ball was thrown way too high for Wilson to have been the target.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasnt on the field on the play I'm talking about.

Its at :43