49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasnt on the field on the play I'm talking about.

Its at :43

That is the same play I am referring to. If it isn't CMC than who is the receiver in the slot between Kittle and Aiyuk before the snap?

Willie Snead.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasnt on the field on the play I'm talking about.

Its at :43

That is the same play I am referring to. If it isn't CMC than who is the receiver in the slot between Kittle and Aiyuk before the snap?

83 is the number

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

If he was in the slot next to Kittle before the snap than yes he was close. That ball was thrown way too high for Wilson to have been the target.

in the area maybe.. but when looking at the EZ view only ramsey wilson kittle and had a chance at it.. well only ramsey since he broke it up before

Again, Ramsey had to high point that ball to break up the pass. If that ball was intended for Wilson than it was a terrible throw by Jimmy.

Willie 'Ghost' Snead.. when you are so subtle out there.. ppl don't even know you are playing

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasnt on the field on the play I'm talking about.

Its at :43

That is the same play I am referring to. If it isn't CMC than who is the receiver in the slot between Kittle and Aiyuk before the snap?

83 is the number

All I saw was the 3 and a white guy. 🤣

Apparently it wasn't even a white guy. 😅

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I may be getting it mixed.. I thought ya'll were talking about the TD to CMC with Kittle in the area..

Seems you may be fixated on an incomplete pass? I predict that will be the focal point. JG has that kind of game.. and we will spend two weeks talking about Ramsey getting his hand on a ball.. this is the NT I know

instead of getting all hurt, jump into the convo

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasn't close .. jimmy threw a 33/33/33 ball to Ramsey/Wilson/Kittle

If he was in the slot next to Kittle before the snap than yes he was close. That ball was thrown way too high for Wilson to have been the target.

in the area maybe.. but when looking at the EZ view only ramsey wilson kittle and had a chance at it.. well only ramsey since he broke it up before

Again, Ramsey had to high point that ball to break up the pass. If that ball was intended for Wilson than it was a terrible throw by Jimmy.

jimmy is known for high throws.. ramsey is in front of Wilson and kittle.. so he may have done it on purpose .. like the high throw to Deebo in the first Rams match up

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I may be getting it mixed.. I thought ya'll were talking about the TD to CMC with Kittle in the area..

Seems you may be fixated on an incomplete pass? I predict that will be the focal point. JG has that kind of game.. and we will spend two weeks talking about Ramsey getting his hand on a ball.. this is the NT I know

instead of getting all hurt, jump into the convo

There are multiple convos..

For example I read this:

Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

And also yes there are folks wanting to zoom in on an incomplete pass in a great team win and say what's up Jimmy? It wouldn't be NT without that.. I feel at home

Originally posted by YACBros85:
All I saw was the 3 and a white guy. 🤣

Apparently it wasn't even a white guy. 😅

i saw the 3 and assumed .. your last comment = lol

He's doing pretty good right now. The only thing I would quit is stop sending Ray Ray McCloud deep down the field for bombs. He's a little guy with short little arms. He doesn't high point well. I don't understand the obsession with sending him deep down the middle in every game. Somebody else. Anybody else. Anybody with taller height and longer arms. He's a good return man. Let him do that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I may be getting it mixed.. I thought ya'll were talking about the TD to CMC with Kittle in the area..

Seems you may be fixated on an incomplete pass? I predict that will be the focal point. JG has that kind of game.. and we will spend two weeks talking about Ramsey getting his hand on a ball.. this is the NT I know

instead of getting all hurt, jump into the convo

There are multiple convos..

For example I read this:

Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

And also yes there are folks wanting to zoom in on an incomplete pass in a great team win and say what's up Jimmy? It wouldn't be NT without that.. I feel at home

its more than just an incomplete pass tho

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's doing pretty good right now. The only thing I would quit is stop sending Ray Ray McCloud deep down the field for bombs. He's a little guy with short little arms. He doesn't high point well. I don't understand the obsession with sending him deep down the middle in every game. Somebody else. Anybody else. Anybody with taller height and longer arms. He's a good return man. Let him do that.

Have to put it on film so teams will at least respect it somewhat and waste time preparing for it. Also we all know shanahan loves to call plays that set up other plays, I believe this is one of them. Chess not checkers

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
All I saw was the 3 and a white guy. 🤣

Apparently it wasn't even a white guy. 😅

i saw the 3 and assumed .. your last comment = lol

Who I was referring to was irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. You were the one still hung up on the name even after I explained that I was referring to the guy in the slot.

we don't leave the west for the rest of the season and have a stretch of 3 home games in a row, we really are set up to stack wins and get into the playoffs. our worst enemy will be coming out flat vs teams like the chargers, raiders, commanders, etc.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

CMC wasnt on the field on the play I'm talking about.

Its at :43

That is the same play I am referring to. If it isn't CMC than who is the receiver in the slot between Kittle and Aiyuk before the snap?

83 is the number

All I saw was the 3 and it was a white guy. ????

It's kind of hard to tell since the routes are at the edge of the screen. It looks like Snead and Kittle run In routes past the 1st down marker, while Wilson runs a Texas route. Ramsey plays the middle zone.

- Wilson definitely ran his route too deep. He should be available as an underneath option, should Ramsey play deeper to cover Snead or Kittle.
- From there, I'm not too sure what the play is supposed to be. I THINK Snead is supposed to be the first option. And I think Kittle might pick Ramsey, hence Kittle's contact there.
- Jimmy seemed to have Snead open for a moment, but he didn't throw and pump-faked. Not sure if he hesitated, or was trying to move Ramsey toward Snead... to free up Kittle?
- Then he tried to float it over to Kittle toward the right hash, but Ramsey sat there and made a very athletic play to tip the ball.
- Given that Ramsey sat there, the play probably should've had Wilson run a more shallow route and Jimmy should've just dumped it off to him and given him a chance to run for the 1st down marker.