49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
A week ago today, the 49ers led the league with 39 penalties. Today the 49ers lead the NFL with 49 penalties after the 10 penalties in the game yesterday. Seeing as the 49ers led the league in penalties going into the games yesterday, it appears you are making things up.

i wonder why when anyone dares to say anything negative about a 0-5 team, they are accused of making things up. just wondering

Originally posted by 951NINER:
I'm sure Kyle is as frustrated as us fans when we commit some of these stupid penalties.

oh, poor kyle,, a teams discipline is on the head of the head coach

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 951NINER:

I'm sure Kyle is as frustrated as us fans when we commit some of these stupid penalties.

oh, poor kyle,, a teams discipline is on the head of the head coach

What an incredibly simplistic and novice view of football....a coach controls the attitude and drive of a team. Penalites are a byproduct of several things and the HC is way down the list. But it sounds really good when you've got an axe to grind.

Originally posted by cciowa:

oh, poor kyle,, a teams discipline is on the head of the head coach

Care to counter this post then ?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Good point.

We've also been a team out of rhythm. Teams that are in rhythm tend to mess up at the same time or all execute at the same time. For us, it's like we've had so many plays that are just one guy away from changing the game. We can't get that momentum and keep it sustained long enough. We'll do well, the someone holds, or PI, or whiffs a block or drops a pass or misses an open receiver or trips going through the hole or attacks the wrong gap or gives up contain....

It is a good post with truth to it.

Originally posted by Niners816:
What an incredibly simplistic and novice view of football....a coach controls the attitude and drive of a team. Penalites are a byproduct of several things and the HC is way down the list. But it sounds really good when you've got an axe to grind.

When you are in the upper division of the nfl in penalties,. at some point in time, the responsibility of this is on the coaches. they are supposed to be teachers. if the players are not following the rules ,. it is their job to make sure they are. if the team lacks discipline and due to the fact they keep making the same mistakes over and over,. that is lack of discipline and again that is on the head of the coach. you can set there and tell me i have some ax to grind against kyle. but in reality whether it be mooch or jh or the last two clowns,. the team reflects the coach. that includes being disciplined or not in my opinion. joe joe the monkey boy could be the head coach and i would still always hold the head coach responsible for the conduct of his team

Originally posted by evil:
Care to counter this post then ?

It is a good post with truth to it.

i just did. now you will not like it but again, i did answer it with my opinion

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh, poor kyle,, a teams discipline is on the head of the head coach

Care to counter this post then ?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Good point.

We've also been a team out of rhythm. Teams that are in rhythm tend to mess up at the same time or all execute at the same time. For us, it's like we've had so many plays that are just one guy away from changing the game. We can't get that momentum and keep it sustained long enough. We'll do well, the someone holds, or PI, or whiffs a block or drops a pass or misses an open receiver or trips going through the hole or attacks the wrong gap or gives up contain....

It is a good post with truth to it.

Sure there is more to penalties than coaching. But it falls mostly on the HC. Whether that is Shanny, Bellichek or whoever. Bellichek isn't perfect. Just because his team makes a lot of mistakes and still wins doesn't mean Bellichek is absolved from the penalties His scheming and QB are good enough to overcome their mistakes, but its still on him. And if you look at the bottom of the list you'll also find some bad teams and coaches along with some good teams and coaches. It just depends.

For example: The Patriots apparently violated a pushing rule that states: "players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation."
"It's our job to understand the rules. Whatever the bottom line is, we didn't do it properly," Belichick said. "We are wrong."
Belichick took the blame off of Jones after the rookie said that it was his fault for getting penalized.
"I think Chris is obviously trying to do the right thing by stepping up and taking responsibility but that's not his responsibility, it's ours," Belichick said. "We just have to do a better job of coaching that. It's not his fault, that's on me [and] the coaching staff, we just have to do a better job there."

https://www.upi.com/blog/2013/10/22/Bill-Belichick-takes-blame-for-penalty-in-loss-We-are-wrong/2501382473291/

Is it just me or does there seem to be sort of a disconnect in the flow of his play calling.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Is it just me or does there seem to be sort of a disconnect in the flow of his play calling.

yeah when dudes keep dropping passes and hoyer keeps missing wide open guys

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Sure there is more to penalties than coaching. But it falls mostly on the HC. Whether that is Shanny, Bellichek or whoever. Bellichek isn't perfect. Just because his team makes a lot of mistakes and still wins doesn't mean Bellichek is absolved from the penalties His scheming and QB are good enough to overcome their mistakes, but its still on him. And if you look at the bottom of the list you'll also find some bad teams and coaches along with some good teams and coaches. It just depends.

For example: The Patriots apparently violated a pushing rule that states: "players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation."
"It's our job to understand the rules. Whatever the bottom line is, we didn't do it properly," Belichick said. "We are wrong."
Belichick took the blame off of Jones after the rookie said that it was his fault for getting penalized.
"I think Chris is obviously trying to do the right thing by stepping up and taking responsibility but that's not his responsibility, it's ours," Belichick said. "We just have to do a better job of coaching that. It's not his fault, that's on me [and] the coaching staff, we just have to do a better job there."

https://www.upi.com/blog/2013/10/22/Bill-Belichick-takes-blame-for-penalty-in-loss-We-are-wrong/2501382473291/

So if it was on the HC, what happen to Bill from 2013 to 2014? Penalites almost doubled yet he actually got better results the year his team was "undisiplined". To me this speaks to there being more random and arbitrary reasons for penalites.

Basically, IMO there's nothing a coach can say or do that gonna stop an OL from false starts or holding. They all know it's wrong and you shouldn't do it. It's just an error and errors happen when humans are envolved. It's like blaming a baseball manager for his SS kicking the ball around.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Sure there is more to penalties than coaching. But it falls mostly on the HC. Whether that is Shanny, Bellichek or whoever. Bellichek isn't perfect. Just because his team makes a lot of mistakes and still wins doesn't mean Bellichek is absolved from the penalties His scheming and QB are good enough to overcome their mistakes, but its still on him. And if you look at the bottom of the list you'll also find some bad teams and coaches along with some good teams and coaches. It just depends.

For example: The Patriots apparently violated a pushing rule that states: "players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation."
"It's our job to understand the rules. Whatever the bottom line is, we didn't do it properly," Belichick said. "We are wrong."
Belichick took the blame off of Jones after the rookie said that it was his fault for getting penalized.
"I think Chris is obviously trying to do the right thing by stepping up and taking responsibility but that's not his responsibility, it's ours," Belichick said. "We just have to do a better job of coaching that. It's not his fault, that's on me [and] the coaching staff, we just have to do a better job there."

https://www.upi.com/blog/2013/10/22/Bill-Belichick-takes-blame-for-penalty-in-loss-We-are-wrong/2501382473291/

So if it was on the HC, what happen to Bill from 2013 to 2014? Penalites almost doubled yet he actually got better results the year his team was "undisiplined". To me this speaks to there being more random and arbitrary reasons for penalites.

Basically, IMO there's nothing a coach can say or do that gonna stop an OL from false starts or holding. They all know it's wrong and you shouldn't do it. It's just an error and errors happen when humans are envolved. It's like blaming a baseball manager for his SS kicking the ball around.

I think coaching definitely sets the tone for how disciplined and precise a team is during games.

Brooks and Lynch seem to be able to jump offsides at least once a game regardless of the head coach.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Sure there is more to penalties than coaching. But it falls mostly on the HC. Whether that is Shanny, Bellichek or whoever. Bellichek isn't perfect. Just because his team makes a lot of mistakes and still wins doesn't mean Bellichek is absolved from the penalties His scheming and QB are good enough to overcome their mistakes, but its still on him. And if you look at the bottom of the list you'll also find some bad teams and coaches along with some good teams and coaches. It just depends.

For example: The Patriots apparently violated a pushing rule that states: "players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation."
"It's our job to understand the rules. Whatever the bottom line is, we didn't do it properly," Belichick said. "We are wrong."
Belichick took the blame off of Jones after the rookie said that it was his fault for getting penalized.
"I think Chris is obviously trying to do the right thing by stepping up and taking responsibility but that's not his responsibility, it's ours," Belichick said. "We just have to do a better job of coaching that. It's not his fault, that's on me [and] the coaching staff, we just have to do a better job there."

https://www.upi.com/blog/2013/10/22/Bill-Belichick-takes-blame-for-penalty-in-loss-We-are-wrong/2501382473291/

A real coach steps up at takes the blame when his team makes mistakes like this, high school college or the pros. a real coach does not have to hide behind a bunch of people on a forum making excuses for him., coaching is about teaching. our team got lousy teaching in the last two years,. heck maybe they did with jh but they were super talented. its up to the coaches to make sure the players know the rules or as coach said the bottom line. the buck always stops with the coach

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
yeah when dudes keep dropping passes and hoyer keeps missing wide open guys

wonder why we always get guys who drop balls?

Originally posted by Tman:
Brooks and Lynch seem to be able to jump offsides at least once a game regardless of the head coach.

brooks also got the quarterback. how is his replacement eli doing there