49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

This must be why you accused me of fabricating the fact that the 49ers led the league in penalties. I was talking about penalties that were called by the officials and those are simply opinions.

i didn't call you a liar. you said penalties, but weren't clear on which. not sure if you came back to clear that up or not.

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen

I responded to a comment in which someone mentioned the 49ers "39 penalties", all I said waas "The most in the NFL" and you said it was a fabrication which was "typical WooLick". I posted a link to backup my statement and you disappeared.

Originally posted by Follower:
do we really need to revisit the perception of Goff prior to McVays arrival.... this narrative of the Rams being this sleeping juggernaut is so overblown.... the 49ers missed on McVay, and now they have to deal with a steep KS learning curve.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

This must be why you accused me of fabricating the fact that the 49ers led the league in penalties. I was talking about penalties that were called by the officials and those are simply opinions.

i didn't call you a liar. you said penalties, but weren't clear on which. not sure if you came back to clear that up or not.

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen

I responded to a comment in which someone mentioned the 49ers "39 penalties", all I said waas "The most in the NFL" and you said it was a fabrication which was "typical WooLick". I posted a link to backup my statement and you disappeared.

we didn't lead the league in penalties until last night. if we didn't back then and you say we did. someone is making things up

Originally posted by 9moon:
ALL I KNOW IS WE COULDA EASILY BEEN A 4-1 TEAM..

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Good point.

We've also been a team out of rhythm. Teams that are in rhythm tend to mess up at the same time or all execute at the same time. For us, it's like we've had so many plays that are just one guy away from changing the game. We can't get that momentum and keep it sustained long enough. We'll do well, the someone holds, or PI, or whiffs a block or drops a pass or misses an open receiver or trips going through the hole or attacks the wrong gap or gives up contain....

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Good point.

We've also been a team out of rhythm. Teams that are in rhythm tend to mess up at the same time or all execute at the same time. For us, it's like we've had so many plays that are just one guy away from changing the game. We can't get that momentum and keep it sustained long enough. We'll do well, the someone holds, or PI, or whiffs a block or drops a pass or misses an open receiver or trips going through the hole or attacks the wrong gap or gives up contain....

This all sounds like the definition of a young team getting schemes installed. It takes time and looks like s**t while it's being installed but that's football.

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ALL I KNOW IS WE COULDA EASILY BEEN A 4-1 TEAM..

maybe with colin kaepernick as qb

Originally posted by Niners816:
This all sounds like the definition of a young team getting schemes installed. It takes time and looks like s**t while it's being installed but that's football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the ye with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying peanalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Good point.

We've also been a team out of rhythm. Teams that are in rhythm tend to mess up at the same time or all execute at the same time. For us, it's like we've had so many plays that are just one guy away from changing the game. We can't get that momentum and keep it sustained long enough. We'll do well, the someone holds, or PI, or whiffs a block or drops a pass or misses an open receiver or trips going through the hole or attacks the wrong gap or gives up contain....

This all sounds like the definition of a young team getting schemes installed. It takes time and looks like s**t while it's being installed but that's football.

This...that's what I've been saying

Originally posted by 9moon:
ALL I KNOW IS WE COULDA EASILY BEEN A 4-1 TEAM..

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Originally posted by 9moon:

ALL I KNOW IS WE COULDA EASILY BEEN A 4-1 TEAM..

maybe with colin kaepernick as qb