49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:
If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Because that 7th round pick they used to move up was invaluable?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Tha Pats had a HOF qb when they took Mallet.
The 49ers had a desperate need for a FQB and then passed on Mahomes and chose CJ.

Chose CJ to be a long term backup. No one takes a guy at 104 and thinks they are their long term answer.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:
They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

Yeah and our boy Kyle wanted him bad until Lynch had to talk him into taking a good look at Jimmy G and the trade value. If it was up to Kyle, we would have been diving head first into Cousins for some years.

All I am saying as that based on the last two years, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, has been below average.

However, Kyle Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, has been exactly as advertised.

I just don't see how 49ers fans refuse to separate the two when they read or hear of a realistic take on the last two years.

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

I know he's a bit of a blowhard, but Cowherd had some complimentary things to say about Shanahan that I think people might be interested in. He starts about halfway through the vid.

wish he would have talked about how Shanny somehow kept the 49ers offense moving and competent with Cj Beathard and Nick Mullens. That right there is a miracle.

He didn't mentioned the injuries to the Arby's. Kyle reaching deep to get a legit run game the whole year. And then had to reuse a gimpy Breida. Unreal coaching job.

I'm willing to say he did a better coaching job than 2017, though the record doesn't reflect that.

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:


I know he's a bit of a blowhard, but Cowherd had some complimentary things to say about Shanahan that I think people might be interested in. He starts about halfway through the vid.

wish he would have talked about how Shanny somehow kept the 49ers offense moving and competent with Cj Beathard and Nick Mullens. That right there is a miracle.

So Kyle is a great coordinator. We already knew that. That is what Cowherd says as well which is his reasoning that Kyle will have success. I think Kyle will have success as well...BUT, BUT, BUT, so far, he has been a great OC but a below average HC.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Rams, Ravens, Patriots, Giants...

So all 20 years ago plus references.

How'd Houston do when Watson got hurt? Colts without Luck? Colts without Peyton? Packers without Rodgers?

Eagles

Kyle the bad HC:

• He should have had ST coming off the bench or he should have override DC strategy to put ST on the outside. This is a sign of a coach not putting his player in a position to succeed.
• He should have not forced Foster to play with a limp shoulder.
• Jimmy Ward
• Arik Armstead
• Odd CB to FS to CB shuffling: Kyle needs to establish consistency here with the DC

I am sure there are more but I will state one that Kyle should look ahead to and that is starting the process to move McGlinchy to Left Tackle.

These are all head coaching decisions and Kyle keeps missing on them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Rams, Ravens, Patriots, Giants...

So all 20 years ago plus references.

How'd Houston do when Watson got hurt? Colts without Luck? Colts without Peyton? Packers without Rodgers?

I don't consider HOU and Colts as having top head coaches. And McCloughan...please, don't get me started. There's only about 10 coaches who have continuously made solid team managing decisions year in and year out, maybe less. Let's not put Kyle in that category as he has done anything but make solid team management decisions.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

He's actually neither of those. Cousins is 30, which by QB standards is pretty much the prime of your career. The "mediocre" season that people are complaining about saw him throw for 4,200 yards, 30 TDs and have a passer rating of 100 while his in over his head OC got canned.


The 49ers haven't had production like that from a QB since Jeff Garcia. If that is mediocrity, sign me up.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

Yeah and our boy Kyle wanted him bad until Lynch had to talk him into taking a good look at Jimmy G and the trade value. If it was up to Kyle, we would have been diving head first into Cousins for some years.

All I am saying as that based on the last two years, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, has been below average.

However, Kyle Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, has been exactly as advertised.

I just don't see how 49ers fans refuse to separate the two when they read or hear of a realistic take on the last two years.

Kyle has a winning record with Jimmy. He also has a winning record with Jimmy and the presumed backup Mullens combined, 9-7 while rebuilding. He has a 1-15 record with two guys who nobody wants to see throw a ball in a regular season game as a niner anytime soon, IRMA GERD. That's the reality, keep judging him for his record under those two guys if it makes you feel better I suppose. I'll go ahead and look forward to seeing more of what hes done with our first and second string guys at QB.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:
They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

Yeah and our boy Kyle wanted him bad until Lynch had to talk him into taking a good look at Jimmy G and the trade value. If it was up to Kyle, we would have been diving head first into Cousins for some years.

All I am saying as that based on the last two years, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, has been below average.

However, Kyle Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, has been exactly as advertised.

I just don't see how 49ers fans refuse to separate the two when they read or hear of a realistic take on the last two years.

Kyle has a winning record with Jimmy. He also has a winning record with Jimmy and the presumed backup Mullens combined, 9-7 while rebuilding. He has a 1-15 record with two guys who nobody wants to see throw a ball in a regular season game as a niner anytime soon, IRMA GERD. That's the reality, keep judging him for his record under those two guys if it makes you feel better I suppose. I'll go ahead and look forward to seeing more of what hes done with our first and second string guys at QB.

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

Why do we keep measuring Kyle based on offense function alone? From what we have heard, if Kyle was making decisions, our QBs would be Cousins and CJ. Kyle is lucky Lynch has the New England connection and Kyle is lucky that CJ got hurt last season. And the defensive decisions have been a mess. Let's see if we can turn that around with signing and drafting some top talent.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

Yeah and our boy Kyle wanted him bad until Lynch had to talk him into taking a good look at Jimmy G and the trade value. If it was up to Kyle, we would have been diving head first into Cousins for some years.

All I am saying as that based on the last two years, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, has been below average.

However, Kyle Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, has been exactly as advertised.

I just don't see how 49ers fans refuse to separate the two when they read or hear of a realistic take on the last two years.

Kyle has a winning record with Jimmy. He also has a winning record with Jimmy and the presumed backup Mullens combined, 9-7 while rebuilding. He has a 1-15 record with two guys who nobody wants to see throw a ball in a regular season game as a niner anytime soon, IRMA GERD. That's the reality, keep judging him for his record under those two guys if it makes you feel better I suppose. I'll go ahead and look forward to seeing more of what hes done with our first and second string guys at QB.

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

Why do we keep measuring Kyle based on offense function alone? From what we have heard, if Kyle was making decisions, our QBs would be Cousins and CJ. Kyle is lucky Lynch has the New England connection and Kyle is lucky that CJ got hurt last season. And the defensive decisions have been a mess. Let's see if we can turn that around with signing and drafting some top talent.

So using the record of you head coaches first and second string QB is picking and choosing your posts are filled with hilarious opinions, I'll give you that much.

Originally posted by Joecool:

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

And what would have been wrong with that? Cousins threw for 4,000+ yards and 30 TDs with the worst OC in football calling the plays. Do people honestly believe that the guy who hand-picked him wouldn't have been able to get more out of him? I would have been perfectly fine with Cousins. He's not Drew Brees but with the right offense, I think he is absolutely a QB you can win with.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

And what would have been wrong with that? Cousins threw for 4,000+ yards and 30 TDs with the worst OC in football calling the plays. Do people honestly believe that the guy who hand-picked him wouldn't have been able to get more out of him?

Kyle sucks, haven't you been following the posts.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Tha Pats had a HOF qb when they took Mallet.
The 49ers had a desperate need for a FQB and then passed on Mahomes and chose CJ.

You have an unhealthy obsession with the Mahomes thing.

More than 10 teams passed over Mahomes. If he was such a home run, he would never have fallen.

Does not matter that they had a HOF QB. Walsh picked GC who was another miss, Reid picked Kevin Kolb and passed over Russell Wilson. Welcome to the NFL where the draft especially with QB's is tough to find consistent success.