49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

Won 10 games out of 32. Makes sense?

Originally posted by Joecool:

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

4th round picks that fail are major busts? Lol. Most 4th rounders don't make it to a second contract.

Kap was only good when opposing DC's struggled to defend the gimmick offense. Once they figured out how to slow it down we saw what kind of a QB he was. He was not a good QB, and struggled to go through his progressions. I doubt he could have run this playbook.

Hoyer was a veteran stopgap until the FQB was in place while CJ was a developmental pick much like the Pats did in 2011 when they took Mallett in the 3rd round.

Even the greatest coaches and personnel men in the league get it wrong. Can't be correct with every decision you make.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Kaep opted out of his contract with us, so we would have had to resign him. I would have been fine with bringing Kaep back, because he is better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

Won 10 games out of 32. Makes sense?

In sports we show record as 10-22 if you meant he won 10 of 32 games....

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

KS already posted that Kap opted out of his deal but it was a "You can't fire me, I quit!" situation. Writing was on the wall.

If he didn't opt out we'd be cutting him and rightfully so. Had nothing to do with his protest, he is not the type of QB who can execute Kyle's offense the way he wants it and there was no way we were going to pay him the money his contract called for.

Hoyer was a signing that made sense. He played well under Kyle and knew the offense. He was cheap and a total stop gap - someone who doesn't play well enough to push you out of a good draft pick but someone who you hope doesn't cause you to rush young players along.

Unfortunately....he did just that. He was brutal and forced us to rush out Beathard before he was ready.

The moves Kyle made made all the sense in the world. You bring in guys you're familiar with, who know your scheme or fit your scheme.

You can argue about the results and you can argue about the money we gave those guys but which move didn't make sense?

Brian Hoyer, QB - veteran QB, short/cheap contract for a guy familiar with the offense and worked with Kyle personally
Kyle Juszczyk, FB - gives Kyle a lot of options on offense and can line up all over the place
Pierre Garcon, WR - experience in the offense, veteran player Kyle worked with personally, actually played very well for us before his injury
Marquise Goodwin, WR - great signing for the $ we paid him. Looked like a #1 type WR with Jimmy to end 2017 but injuries and personal tragedy held him back last year
Logan Paulsen, TE - veteran experienced in Kyle's offense
Malcolm Smith, LB - worst signing given the result and money invested but it still made sense. Vet played familiar with the scheme we were implementing on D
Robbie Gould, K - obvious
3/10: Matt Barkley, QB - vet backup QB cheap contract
Aldrick Robinson, WR - cheap contract, familiar with the offense
Brock Coyle, LB - special teamer, cheap contract
Don Jones, DB - special teamer, cheap contract
3/18: Dekoda Watson, LB - special teamer, cheap contract
4/1: Tim Hightower, RB - depth
4/7: Jayson DiManche, LB - depth
4/18: Garry Gilliam, OL - swing tackle, fair contract
5/1: Brandon Fusco, OL - cheap contract, OL depth ended up starting for us
Tim Barnes, C - depth
6/2: Will Davis, CB - depth
6/8: Elvis Dumervil, DE - vet presence for the pass rush

Which of those moves didn't make sense? Don't forget players aren't exactly beating down the door trying to sign with a team which probably should've had the #1 overall pick but settled for #2. No QB in place and a historically awful defense.

Originally posted by Joecool:

The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Lol, Keapernick wasn't running Shanahan's offense.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Can you really call a 4th rounder a "bust" considering how frequently they flush out of the league? Every year we see 4th rounders getting cut just months after being drafted. It sucks that they missed on Williams but bringing in Breida was turning a frown upside down.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
That's not really true. Both times CJ has lost the job were due to injury and the guy replacing him playing too well to give the job back to CJ. Shanahan doesn't seem to like Mullens that much. I wouldn't be surprised if CJ "wins" the #2 job in training camp and we trade Mullens for a late pick.

You're right that Mullens went in after CJ got hurt but Kyle saw that Mullens was playing too well to put CJ back in. He does seem to want CJ to be the #2 guy. Could be because they used a 3rd rounder on him or maybe he just sees more potential. He already said there will be a battle in camp for the backup job. It's on CJ now to show he has learned the offense well enough that he doesn't have to hold the ball so long. I don't care who wins out as long as the best guy is in there when we need him.

I know he's a bit of a blowhard, but Cowherd had some complimentary things to say about Shanahan that I think people might be interested in. He starts about halfway through the vid.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

4th round picks that fail are major busts? Lol. Most 4th rounders don't make it to a second contract.

Kap was only good when opposing DC's struggled to defend the gimmick offense. Once they figured out how to slow it down we saw what kind of a QB he was. He was not a good QB, and struggled to go through his progressions. I doubt he could have run this playbook.

Hoyer was a veteran stopgap until the FQB was in place while CJ was a developmental pick much like the Pats did in 2011 when they took Mallett in the 3rd round.

Even the greatest coaches and personnel men in the league get it wrong. Can't be correct with every decision you make.

Tha Pats had a HOF qb when they took Mallet.
The 49ers had a desperate need for a FQB and then passed on Mahomes and chose CJ.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Kaep would have been better than Hoyer, but he always would have just been a bridge QB until KS got the ideal QB for his system. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Hoyer and CJ were never meant to be the long term starters at QB though. They were always just a placeholder until someone like Kirk Cousins became available. Hoyer made more sense than Kaep, because he was already familiar with the offense. Now, whether Kirk Cousins would have been a good QB for us is debatable, but is irrelevant because JG became available.

If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

KS already posted that Kap opted out of his deal but it was a "You can't fire me, I quit!" situation. Writing was on the wall.

If he didn't opt out we'd be cutting him and rightfully so. Had nothing to do with his protest, he is not the type of QB who can execute Kyle's offense the way he wants it and there was no way we were going to pay him the money his contract called for.

Hoyer was a signing that made sense. He played well under Kyle and knew the offense. He was cheap and a total stop gap - someone who doesn't play well enough to push you out of a good draft pick but someone who you hope doesn't cause you to rush young players along.

Unfortunately....he did just that. He was brutal and forced us to rush out Beathard before he was ready.

The moves Kyle made made all the sense in the world. You bring in guys you're familiar with, who know your scheme or fit your scheme.

You can argue about the results and you can argue about the money we gave those guys but which move didn't make sense?

Brian Hoyer, QB - veteran QB, short/cheap contract for a guy familiar with the offense and worked with Kyle personally
Kyle Juszczyk, FB - gives Kyle a lot of options on offense and can line up all over the place
Pierre Garcon, WR - experience in the offense, veteran player Kyle worked with personally, actually played very well for us before his injury
Marquise Goodwin, WR - great signing for the $ we paid him. Looked like a #1 type WR with Jimmy to end 2017 but injuries and personal tragedy held him back last year
Logan Paulsen, TE - veteran experienced in Kyle's offense
Malcolm Smith, LB - worst signing given the result and money invested but it still made sense. Vet played familiar with the scheme we were implementing on D
Robbie Gould, K - obvious
3/10: Matt Barkley, QB - vet backup QB cheap contract
Aldrick Robinson, WR - cheap contract, familiar with the offense
Brock Coyle, LB - special teamer, cheap contract
Don Jones, DB - special teamer, cheap contract
3/18: Dekoda Watson, LB - special teamer, cheap contract
4/1: Tim Hightower, RB - depth
4/7: Jayson DiManche, LB - depth
4/18: Garry Gilliam, OL - swing tackle, fair contract
5/1: Brandon Fusco, OL - cheap contract, OL depth ended up starting for us
Tim Barnes, C - depth
6/2: Will Davis, CB - depth
6/8: Elvis Dumervil, DE - vet presence for the pass rush

Which of those moves didn't make sense? Don't forget players aren't exactly beating down the door trying to sign with a team which probably should've had the #1 overall pick but settled for #2. No QB in place and a historically awful defense.

Hoyer didn't make sense. He was terrible under Shanahan and had his best years under another coach.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:


I know he's a bit of a blowhard, but Cowherd had some complimentary things to say about Shanahan that I think people might be interested in. He starts about halfway through the vid.

wish he would have talked about how Shanny somehow kept the 49ers offense moving and competent with Cj Beathard and Nick Mullens. That right there is a miracle.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Rams, Ravens, Patriots, Giants...

So all 20 years ago plus references.

How'd Houston do when Watson got hurt? Colts without Luck? Colts without Peyton? Packers without Rodgers?