49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

So 9ers should've had a 1st round qb waiting behind Hoyer and Jimmy like the Ravens?

Injuries suck. It sucks McKinnon got hurt. Guys get hurt. What running back is sure to be healthy?

All the eggs aren't in the Mckinnon basket this year. So do you credit him for signing Coleman?

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

The argument here seems to be about his player evaluation and selections in the draft. It is on him to evaluate the talent when the team acquires it but the overall selection process is a combined effort between Kyle, Lynch and the scouts. If you're going to put all the blame on Kyle for the guys that didn't pan out then you have to give him credit for the ones that did. He finally did see that Mullens was more ready than CJ and made the change even though he sees more potential in CJ because of size and arm strength. He saw Kittle's potential and used it to the max. My point is every coach/team makes mistakes and also finds hidden gems.

That's not really true. Both times CJ has lost the job were due to injury and the guy replacing him playing too well to give the job back to CJ. Shanahan doesn't seem to like Mullens that much. I wouldn't be surprised if CJ "wins" the #2 job in training camp and we trade Mullens for a late pick.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

So 9ers should've had a 1st round qb waiting behind Hoyer and Jimmy like the Ravens?

Injuries suck. It sucks McKinnon got hurt. Guys get hurt. What running back is sure to be healthy?

All the eggs aren't in the Mckinnon basket this year. So do you credit him for signing Coleman?

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

So the answer is no.....They didn't have a first round QB sitting behind Jimmy. You know what else they didn't have that Baltimore has? A defense that's finished in the top 10 vs points each of the last 3 years and last year was 2nd vs points and 1st vs yards...and also a roster who's worst record since 2016 is 8-8.

You listed 6 things....I don't recall Kyle saying anything about Cousins being "Transcendent" and also where was it said as fact that John Lynch went rouge and sprung Jimmy G on Kyle? Basically you're b***hing about a 4th round HB and a 3rd round QB.

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

NOW....I am mad. No playoffs and we've had 10 extra games over the rest of the league to try to get in.....

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

So guess you missed the league's move to the 21 game regular season?

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

NOW....I am mad. No playoffs and we've had 10 extra games over the rest of the league to try to get in.....

42 games in the last 2 years. No wonder the s**t load of injuries.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

This is a rare case where a HC's W-L record is a piss-poor gauge to judge them on. Since the team/organization is clearly on the road back to elite status I will take a 6-10 and 4-12 record from a Shanahan coached team over an 8-8 record from Jim Harbaugh, or a 5-11 Chip Kelly, or a 6-10 and 8-8, 7-9, 5-11 seasons from Mike Singletary and Mike Nolan. Kyle Shanahan is the best HC we've had since George Seifert, or really since Bill Walsh. Under Shanahan the 49ers are in the midst of a real offensive renaissance, not the fake one that never materialized under Harbaugh. This talk of firing KS or that he is on the hot seat is absolutely ridiculous. If we fired KS we would be right back to the Nolan's, Singletary's, Tomsula's, and Kelly's of the NFL world. F that. I'll stick with Shanahan. Health permitting we have as good a chance as any team to win it all this year and a great deal of that is due to Shanahan.

He has to show he can be a winner HC some time and that time is 2019.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons.

NOW....I am mad. No playoffs and we've had 10 extra games over the rest of the league to try to get in.....

42 games in the last 2 years. No wonder the s**t load of injuries.

Rookie coach mistake there....way too many games scheduled and also not near enough directional schools scheduled for a rebuilding team....

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

Whos overcome QB injuries outside of Philly?

Rams, Ravens, Patriots, Giants...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

So 9ers should've had a 1st round qb waiting behind Hoyer and Jimmy like the Ravens?

Injuries suck. It sucks McKinnon got hurt. Guys get hurt. What running back is sure to be healthy?

All the eggs aren't in the Mckinnon basket this year. So do you credit him for signing Coleman?

Breida > McKinnon

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
This is a rare case where a HC's W-L record is a piss-poor gauge to judge them on. Since the team/organization is clearly on the road back to elite status I will take a 6-10 and 4-12 record from a Shanahan coached team over an 8-8 record from Jim Harbaugh, or a 5-11 Chip Kelly, or a 6-10 and 8-8, 7-9, 5-11 seasons from Mike Singletary and Mike Nolan. Kyle Shanahan is the best HC we've had since George Seifert, or really since Bill Walsh. Under Shanahan the 49ers are in the midst of a real offensive renaissance, not the fake one that never materialized under Harbaugh. This talk of firing KS or that he is on the hot seat is absolutely ridiculous. If we fired KS we would be right back to the Nolan's, Singletary's, Tomsula's, and Kelly's of the NFL world. F that. I'll stick with Shanahan. Health permitting we have as good a chance as any team to win it all this year and a great deal of that is due to Shanahan.

He has to show he can be a winner HC some time and that time is 2019.

Personally, my gut feeling says he has one more year after this one.

Now if he goes 4-12 again, that might be out the window. But if he gets 8-8, I think he has a good chance of going all 6 years, simply because I suspect Jed's been effectively kicked out of management and is taking cues from Mom.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

What is Matt Brieda?

Originally posted by Joecool:
They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

It is 100% okay to evaluate Kyle's decisions and outcomes in the past couple of years. Let's not be blind in that.

And while criticizing those moves, it is okay to still believe in Kyle. That's my mentality. He has been far from perfect, but he still has more good things to offer.

If we can't predict the future then how can you assume McKinnon would not be a good back in this scheme, or how could you be sure Kaep would be better than CJ, Hoyer or LJ?

C'mon man.

What am I predicting? I'm talking about the last 2 years and the personnel decisions did not go in the right direction. Keap > Hoyer and CJ. Kyle picked Hoyer and CJ over Keap. Didn't turn out well because we had to acquire Jimmy G. The decision to let Keap go was not the correct decision.

Matt Brieda would have still been on the team if we didn't draft Joe Williams. We could have drafted a better player if Kyle had trusted the scouting staff. Fact is, Joe Williams was a major bust.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

So 9ers should've had a 1st round qb waiting behind Hoyer and Jimmy like the Ravens?

Injuries suck. It sucks McKinnon got hurt. Guys get hurt. What running back is sure to be healthy?

All the eggs aren't in the Mckinnon basket this year. So do you credit him for signing Coleman?

They had Kaep and decided they didn't need him. With the zone stretch, I am sure Kaep could perform better in this offense than CJ, Hoyer, or Lamar Jackson.

As for Coleman, I think it is a great move but we can't predict the future. All we can analyze is what has happened and the critical misses Kyle has.

So the answer is no.....They didn't have a first round QB sitting behind Jimmy. You know what else they didn't have that Baltimore has? A defense that's finished in the top 10 vs points each of the last 3 years and last year was 2nd vs points and 1st vs yards...and also a roster who's worst record since 2016 is 8-8.

You listed 6 things....I don't recall Kyle saying anything about Cousins being "Transcendent" and also where was it said as fact that John Lynch went rouge and sprung Jimmy G on Kyle? Basically you're b***hing about a 4th round HB and a 3rd round QB.

Yeah, they just had a QB who took the 49ers to the Super Bowl and they let him walk without even giving it a chance.