49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

One thing Kyle has done is improved the locker room and the vibe of the team. But he has missed on decisions that affect performance/results more often than he has hit.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

Respectfully disagree with ya. Kyle is generational talent, best coach in NFL today, his coaching, game planning, is second to none.

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

Respectfully disagree with ya. Kyle is generational talent, best coach in NFL today, his coaching, game planning, is second to none.

Never said anything about his game plan and play designs. Talking about his head coaching/personnel decisions. There's more to a team than offensive game plan/play design.

If that was the case, Norv Turner would be one of the best head coaches in the NFL.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

Whos overcome QB injuries outside of Philly?

Originally posted by All22:

Gore had some great games against Seattle.

But Davis and Walker were the engines of our offense.
Defenses couldn't load up against Gore when they've been on the field all game (thanks D and Tony Montana squad!!!) and we're threatening the deep ball out of 22 personnel.

My favorite play and game from the Harbaugh era:
?t=105

Moss, Walker, Davis, Gore, and Miller on the field.
NE goes cover 3 to keep 8 in the box.
Safety goes to double Moss on the streak while Walker and Davis put deep stretch on the cover 3 corner.
Moss had a TD on a similar play earlier in the game too.

And then we lay a fat f'n egg next week at seattle

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
yes, because people gave them a pass for their top paid QB being injured. You also didn't have two premier edge players on the defense.

although, I will say. If Garrapolo gets injured again, I will have some reservations myself about whether or not he really is the guy. You can't be Jimmie Ward at the quarterback position.

I wouldn't call that a pass, id call it a realistic scenario when you lose your starting QB then your backup qb...you're probably gonna fail. People don't really like to accept that I guess.

If JG gets hurt again then we most likely have to start checking out other QBs that contract is totally moveable after this season.

If that's the case, the resident draft nerds will have to help me out.

Having said that, I think Jimmy GQ will be fine this year. He has Brady helping him out.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

Whos overcome QB injuries outside of Philly?

Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Can't believe how many people are satisfied winning 6-8 games this year. f**k that it's year 3 and we have all the pieces in place. Playoffs or bust!!

Persecution complex from the Fartsula and Kelly abortion eras. Fans just get used to the team sucking. Last year's team was good enough to get to the playoffs, we just had bad luck with Jimmy going down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So a 4 win team should be a 10 win team the next yr or heads will spin? Don't think it's as simple as that....Baldy needs a little more context (and I'm a fan of him).

I'm cool with throwing a little pressure on them though

Our FQB was out for the season. With any other team that would have needed no explanation. Why now?

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Also, when teams could actually stop Gore (Seahawks in Seattle), his offense was done.

I still remember that first game Kap played in St. Louis (the one with the long scramble at the end, and the game given away by a stupid lateral). In it, the Rams managed to stop Gore a few times, and I saw a preview of 2015 like I never wanted to see.

Boldin probably singlehandedly should have been team MVP in 2013 for being able to catch balls in traffic like no other WR we've had since TO and since 2015...

Have a lot of the games from 2011 and 2012 on Youtube. Watching those games alongside anything from 2011, 2013 and 2014 and it's same old story. Offense can't move the ball against a quality defense consistently. Everything is a huge struggle. The defense just kept giving up possessions in great spots and we'd kick enough fg's or Kap would make a play and it'd be enough.

If the D can give this current offense the same types of opportunities I fully expect Kyle to get things rolling smoother.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did the Ravens make it to the Wild Card despite a piss poor season by Flacco and then playing a raw rookie QB?

That's besides the fact. Don't change the discussion. This isn't about making the playoffs. It is about incorrect decisions Kyle has made and a poor record to show for it.

If he had drafted a better RB than Joe Williams or didn't put all his eggs in the McKinnon basket, we would have possibly overcome the RB injury. If he acquired QBs other than Hoyer and CJ, or tried out Keep since we didn't have s**t at QB, we could have performed better.

So 9ers should've had a 1st round qb waiting behind Hoyer and Jimmy like the Ravens?

Injuries suck. It sucks McKinnon got hurt. Guys get hurt. What running back is sure to be healthy?

All the eggs aren't in the Mckinnon basket this year. So do you credit him for signing Coleman?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seriously though, as a head coach, he is unproven.

On his QB evaluations...it is still to be determined and here's why:

1. Dude thinks Kirk Cousins is a transcending QB
2. Dude vetted to move up to acquire CJ Beathard.
3. Dude couldn't tell in practice that Mullens throwing ability is much better than CJ's.
4. Dude was not the one to consider Jimmy G, it was Lynch.
5. Dude vetted for Joe Williams.
6. Dude vetted highly for Jerrick McKinnon who didn't appear to be all that special running the ball from behind the OL.

So far, Kyle has struck out on just about every personnel decision. Fingers crossed on Deebo and Pettis, guys who seemed to by Kyle's guys.

And most of all: Dude is 10-32 in two seasons. Other teams have overcome RB and QB injuries. And our backup RB did well but we couldn't do anything on offense that had a record breaking TE.

All he needs to do is get one right and I believe Jimmy is that one. Hell, even the great Walsh thought Gio Carmazzi was a FQB and passed on Tom Brady.

The argument here seems to be about his player evaluation and selections in the draft. It is on him to evaluate the talent when the team acquires it but the overall selection process is a combined effort between Kyle, Lynch and the scouts. If you're going to put all the blame on Kyle for the guys that didn't pan out then you have to give him credit for the ones that did. He finally did see that Mullens was more ready than CJ and made the change even though he sees more potential in CJ because of size and arm strength. He saw Kittle's potential and used it to the max. My point is every coach/team makes mistakes and also finds hidden gems.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument here seems to be about his player evaluation and selections in the draft. It is on him to evaluate the talent when the team acquires it but the overall selection process is a combined effort between Kyle, Lynch and the scouts. If you're going to put all the blame on Kyle for the guys that didn't pan out then you have to give him credit for the ones that did. He finally did see that Mullens was more ready than CJ and made the change even though he sees more potential in CJ because of size and arm strength. He saw Kittle's potential and used it to the max. My point is every coach/team makes mistakes and also finds hidden gems.

My pet peeve is that Kyle's not been able to do or find the stuff you described above, on the defensive side of the ball. But he's a young coach, and finally he as his Aldon Smith - that should make his coaching IQ go up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

The argument here seems to be about his player evaluation and selections in the draft. It is on him to evaluate the talent when the team acquires it but the overall selection process is a combined effort between Kyle, Lynch and the scouts. If you're going to put all the blame on Kyle for the guys that didn't pan out then you have to give him credit for the ones that did. He finally did see that Mullens was more ready than CJ and made the change even though he sees more potential in CJ because of size and arm strength. He saw Kittle's potential and used it to the max. My point is every coach/team makes mistakes and also finds hidden gems.

Certain misses are singled out because the organization has said more than once on picks Kyle personally wanted.