QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
We're interested in Tony Romo?

I mean he'd make a good stop gap but why would he want to come here, again?

Doesn't hurt to keep the option open, even if there is very little mutual interest. I'd expect Romo to land in Denver or Houston, but if that doesn't work out for whatever reason, its good to at least let Romo's representatives know SF could be an option.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

This Posts assumes a few things that you or I don't know. Considering what Harbaugh ran and the ZBS we employed under Tomsula Kaep is most likely familiar with the concepts of Shanahans offense. The verbiage will be different but the play understanding is similar. Hell, Shanahan ran quite a few of the same plays we ran with Harbaugh. Also, Shanahan will Taylor the offense to the QB as he said in his presser.

I really don't get this. Shanahan and Harbaugh ran the same offense? Tomsula ran the Shanahan system? That's just really not true at all and you are reaching so far that you teeter on the edge of the credibility abyss.

Wtf are you talking about. Read what I wrote again. I used the words similar` and `familiar` which are BOTH true. The fact that you didn't comprehend or didn't watch what Atlanta ran is on you.

I highlighted and underlined your words for you so you can go back and recall what you said. Even having different verbiage is a huge matter, but you indicate the schemes were similar. OK...you got me! They are both football offenses.

Well as long as it is a "football offense" Kap should be able to excel !LMFAO!

What sdaddy says is kind of true with regards to Harbaugh and Tomsula running familiar concepts to Shanahan. Harbaugh used WCO terminolgy, those long 8-12 word playcalls. Probably one reason AS and CK needed a wristband to help them out. The presnap shifts, multiple personnel groups, and formations that Shanahan uses was seen in Harbaugh's offense. The big differences are Harbaugh's predominant gap blocking scheme, and Shanahan has more creative route concepts, from what I've seen on film. Harbaugh's route combos were very much 'by the book'.

Like Shanahan, Tomsula/Geep ran a lot of outside zone, and playaction bootlegs off of that. So there's definitely crossover from Habaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. Perhaps the biggest differences is Shanahan has been commended for how he calls plays, exploits mismatches, and designs an offense towards player strengths.

It is "kind of true". But a stretch.

But to imply Kaepernick would be functional in a Shanahan offense is just flat out funny to me. Just my opinion of course but I think he would be more lost than a deer in the headlights. After an entire off season studying Kelly's offense, training camp, where he got two weeks running it, and taking 50% of the first team snaps during practice, he didn't look ready half way through the season when he got his chance. I absolutely can not imagine him being even functional in a WCO like Shanahan wants to run, without at least two full seasons under his belt. And no way on earth is he starting here for the next two years.

As you say the complex terminology,play calls, pre snap shifts,multiple personnel groups, different formations ... And then have him make the correct read on the defense? I think we would see a hell of a lot of sacks, and him just saying screw it, I am running the ball. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This Posts assumes a few things that you or I don't know. Considering what Harbaugh ran and the ZBS we employed under Tomsula Kaep is most likely familiar with the concepts of Shanahans offense. The verbiage will be different but the play understanding is similar. Hell, Shanahan ran quite a few of the same plays we ran with Harbaugh. Also, Shanahan will Taylor the offense to the QB as he said in his presser.

I really don't get this. Shanahan and Harbaugh ran the same offense? Tomsula ran the Shanahan system? That's just really not true at all and you are reaching so far that you teeter on the edge of the credibility abyss.

Wtf are you talking about. Read what I wrote again. I used the words similar` and `familiar` which are BOTH true. The fact that you didn't comprehend or didn't watch what Atlanta ran is on you.

I highlighted and underlined your words for you so you can go back and recall what you said. Even having different verbiage is a huge matter, but you indicate the schemes were similar. OK...you got me! They are both football offenses.

Well as long as it is a "football offense" Kap should be able to excel !LMFAO!

What sdaddy says is kind of true with regards to Harbaugh and Tomsula running familiar concepts to Shanahan. Harbaugh used WCO terminolgy, those long 8-12 word playcalls. Probably one reason AS and CK needed a wristband to help them out. The presnap shifts, multiple personnel groups, and formations that Shanahan uses was seen in Harbaugh's offense. The big differences are Harbaugh's predominant gap blocking scheme, and Shanahan has more creative route concepts, from what I've seen on film. Harbaugh's route combos were very much 'by the book'.

Like Shanahan, Tomsula/Geep ran a lot of outside zone, and playaction bootlegs off of that. So there's definitely crossover from Habaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. Perhaps the biggest differences is Shanahan has been commended for how he calls plays, exploits mismatches, and designs an offense towards player strengths.

It is "kind of true". But a stretch.

But to imply Kaepernick would be functional in a Shanahan offense is just flat out funny to me. Just my opinion of course but I think he would be more lost than a deer in the headlights. After an entire off season studying Kelly's offense, training camp, where he got two weeks running it, and taking 50% of the first team snaps during practice, he didn't look ready half way through the season when he got his chance. I absolutely can not imagine him being even functional in a WCO like Shanahan wants to run, without at least two full seasons under his belt. And no way on earth is he starting here for the next two years.

As you say the complex terminology,play calls, pre snap shifts,multiple personnel groups, different formations ... And then have him make the correct read on the defense? I think we would see a hell of a lot of sacks, and him just saying screw it, I am running the ball. Just my opinion.

I'm not implying Kap can functionally run Shanahan's complete offense, just that he would be familiar with a lot of what Shanahan wants to do - familiar with, not good at. Just pointing out the similarities in concepts between Harbaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. I've always thought Kap would be best suited in an Air Coryell offense that pushes the ball downfield, with smaller emphasis on the short passing game.

I think the Pats are just trying to set the bar high. If they don't trade JG this year, they will lose him next and get nothing. With that said go with a QB in the later rounds. Let others fish and draft the top three high, just not the niners unless they drop back past the top 10.

If the Pats don't trade JG this year and the skins don't sign cousins to a long term, they will be available next year with a better bunch QBs available (on paper) in the draft. For all we know the top three, one of them drops into the second, then it won't be so bad taking them.

What I am hoping for is that Cleveland gets blown away by one of the top three and takes one of them with the first pick, then we gete Myles. Or maybe trade ours first and get the Browns second pick along with the 2nd and third rounders and a pick next year. We then take bpa. Then using the our two 2nd and third rounders move back into the first twice. Pick up three first rounder who will be with us for 5 years at least. Of course this is hoping that the current FO p/u good players with the picks.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

This Posts assumes a few things that you or I don't know. Considering what Harbaugh ran and the ZBS we employed under Tomsula Kaep is most likely familiar with the concepts of Shanahans offense. The verbiage will be different but the play understanding is similar. Hell, Shanahan ran quite a few of the same plays we ran with Harbaugh. Also, Shanahan will Taylor the offense to the QB as he said in his presser.

I really don't get this. Shanahan and Harbaugh ran the same offense? Tomsula ran the Shanahan system? That's just really not true at all and you are reaching so far that you teeter on the edge of the credibility abyss.

Wtf are you talking about. Read what I wrote again. I used the words similar` and `familiar` which are BOTH true. The fact that you didn't comprehend or didn't watch what Atlanta ran is on you.

I highlighted and underlined your words for you so you can go back and recall what you said. Even having different verbiage is a huge matter, but you indicate the schemes were similar. OK...you got me! They are both football offenses.

Well as long as it is a "football offense" Kap should be able to excel !LMFAO!

What sdaddy says is kind of true with regards to Harbaugh and Tomsula running familiar concepts to Shanahan. Harbaugh used WCO terminolgy, those long 8-12 word playcalls. Probably one reason AS and CK needed a wristband to help them out. The presnap shifts, multiple personnel groups, and formations that Shanahan uses was seen in Harbaugh's offense. The big differences are Harbaugh's predominant gap blocking scheme, and Shanahan has more creative route concepts, from what I've seen on film. Harbaugh's route combos were very much 'by the book'.

Like Shanahan, Tomsula/Geep ran a lot of outside zone, and playaction bootlegs off of that. So there's definitely crossover from Habaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. Perhaps the biggest differences is Shanahan has been commended for how he calls plays, exploits mismatches, and designs an offense towards player strengths.

It is "kind of true". But a stretch.

But to imply Kaepernick would be functional in a Shanahan offense is just flat out funny to me. Just my opinion of course but I think he would be more lost than a deer in the headlights. After an entire off season studying Kelly's offense, training camp, where he got two weeks running it, and taking 50% of the first team snaps during practice, he didn't look ready half way through the season when he got his chance. I absolutely can not imagine him being even functional in a WCO like Shanahan wants to run, without at least two full seasons under his belt. And no way on earth is he starting here for the next two years.

As you say the complex terminology,play calls, pre snap shifts,multiple personnel groups, different formations ... And then have him make the correct read on the defense? I think we would see a hell of a lot of sacks, and him just saying screw it, I am running the ball. Just my opinion.

I'm not implying Kap can functionally run Shanahan's complete offense, just that he would be familiar with a lot of what Shanahan wants to do - familiar with, not good at. Just pointing out the similarities in concepts between Harbaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. I've always thought Kap would be best suited in an Air Coryell offense that pushes the ball downfield, with smaller emphasis on the short passing game.

I happen to agree. My posts was in response to, and directed at the earlier one that implied Kap would be a fit for Shanahan because of his familiarity with it. I always appreciate your responses.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

would it be so tragic for our team to sign both hoyer and mccown. draft a kid at say number three. spend our first two picks on some quality defensive players. maybe use free agency is spice up the wide out game or o line or both and see what we have. if the quarterbacks who end up on our roster are not what we want moving forward. we can look to get a quality free agent next year. of course we all want the team to do what they did when jh first took over but i think with our team and the makeup of the so called talent on the team,,, it really is a marathon and not a sprint

I'm good with bringing in a vet like hoyer, drafting a qb in the mid rds, then going all in on a qb next yr.

I will say if Kyle and lynch fall in love for Mitch I will be okay with it.

Yep. I am planning n going for whatever Lynch does this year, unless it is gob-smackingly stupid. On the basis that right now there are a number of options open to us and Shanahan knows more about qb's than I do. I took the same approach with Nolan and with Harbaugh/Baalke so I am hoping for 3rd time lucky!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

would it be so tragic for our team to sign both hoyer and mccown. draft a kid at say number three. spend our first two picks on some quality defensive players. maybe use free agency is spice up the wide out game or o line or both and see what we have. if the quarterbacks who end up on our roster are not what we want moving forward. we can look to get a quality free agent next year. of course we all want the team to do what they did when jh first took over but i think with our team and the makeup of the so called talent on the team,,, it really is a marathon and not a sprint

I'm good with bringing in a vet like hoyer, drafting a qb in the mid rds, then going all in on a qb next yr.

I will say if Kyle and lynch fall in love for Mitch I will be okay with it.

Yep. I am planning n going for whatever Lynch does this year, unless it is gob-smackingly stupid. On the basis that right now there are a number of options open to us and Shanahan knows more about qb's than I do. I took the same approach with Nolan and with Harbaugh/Baalke so I am hoping for 3rd time lucky!

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
We're interested in Tony Romo?

I mean he'd make a good stop gap but why would he want to come here, again?

Doesn't hurt to keep the option open, even if there is very little mutual interest. I'd expect Romo to land in Denver or Houston, but if that doesn't work out for whatever reason, its good to at least let Romo's representatives know SF could be an option.

I mean of course we are interested, he is the best option out there if you want to be good for a few years and grab a kid who needs time to cook as well. He is perfect...problem is I am sure he has zero interest in coming here. That dude wants a ring.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by cciowa:
losing ck is a plus. bringing cutler in is a disaster , hoyer would be more than fine

I'd rather deal through the rookies ups n downs than have the sellout who admitted he wasn't focused on football, and whose GF heavily influences him (basically wears the pants).

I also don't want to see Cutty. Hoyer would be a cheap bridge and that's fine with me.

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting.

Hoyer coming in, helping to install Shanahan's offense and teaching the rookie the verbiage IS a lot better than Kaepernick coming back to SF learning the offense at $8 million dollars or so. What could Kaepernick teach a rookie about Shanahan's offense?

This Posts assumes a few things that you or I don't know. Considering what Harbaugh ran and the ZBS we employed under Tomsula Kaep is most likely familiar with the concepts of Shanahans offense. The verbiage will be different but the play understanding is similar. Hell, Shanahan ran quite a few of the same plays we ran with Harbaugh. Also, Shanahan will Taylor the offense to the QB as he said in his presser.

Verbiage, route concepts, pass protection and overall footwork to go along with the system will be different. Sure some things might be the same, but there's a reason Alex Smith struggled when he had a different system year in and year out. Shoot it took Matt Ryan a year to learn the system and his mechanics and footwork are light years better than Kaepernick's, not to mention he reads the field much better than Kaepernick.

Again, unless Kaepernick is willing to come in for $5 mil to be a stop gap or bridge QB then maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath for him.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

We're interested in Tony Romo?

I mean he'd make a good stop gap but why would he want to come here, again?

Yea it would be pretty damn impressive if Lynch could convince him to sign, but there's no way.

Originally posted by thl408:
What sdaddy says is kind of true with regards to Harbaugh and Tomsula running familiar concepts to Shanahan. Harbaugh used WCO terminolgy, those long 8-12 word playcalls. Probably one reason AS and CK needed a wristband to help them out. The presnap shifts, multiple personnel groups, and formations that Shanahan uses was seen in Harbaugh's offense. The big differences are Harbaugh's predominant gap blocking scheme, and Shanahan has more creative route concepts, from what I've seen on film. Harbaugh's route combos were very much 'by the book'.

Like Shanahan, Tomsula/Geep ran a lot of outside zone, and playaction bootlegs off of that. So there's definitely crossover from Habaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. Perhaps the biggest differences is Shanahan has been commended for how he calls plays, exploits mismatches, and designs an offense towards player strengths.

The original post that brought this debate to my attention is below--

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

My problem is not with the idea there are similarities between the offenses but with the notion a guy who has never played for Shanahan would be able to be a player/coach at the level as a guy who had played in his system. The previous post was taking about a bridge QB whereas some evidently believe Kaepernick will be (or should be) the starter for the foreseeable future. And I can't assume Hoyer would be a better teacher than Kaepernick but he is in a better position to be.

Edit: and with the condescending tone.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Verbiage, route concepts, pass protection and overall footwork to go along with the system will be different. Sure some things might be the same, but there's a reason Alex Smith struggled when he had a different system year in and year out. Shoot it took Matt Ryan a year to learn the system and his mechanics and footwork are light years better than Kaepernick's, not to mention he reads the field much better than Kaepernick.

Again, unless Kaepernick is willing to come in for $5 mil to be a stop gap or bridge QB then maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath for him.

And I'd say even after year 2, he's still got another full year to go at least. That's the WCO in a nutshell. It's worth it though...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

What sdaddy says is kind of true with regards to Harbaugh and Tomsula running familiar concepts to Shanahan. Harbaugh used WCO terminolgy, those long 8-12 word playcalls. Probably one reason AS and CK needed a wristband to help them out. The presnap shifts, multiple personnel groups, and formations that Shanahan uses was seen in Harbaugh's offense. The big differences are Harbaugh's predominant gap blocking scheme, and Shanahan has more creative route concepts, from what I've seen on film. Harbaugh's route combos were very much 'by the book'.

Like Shanahan, Tomsula/Geep ran a lot of outside zone, and playaction bootlegs off of that. So there's definitely crossover from Habaugh/Tomsula and Shanahan. Perhaps the biggest differences is Shanahan has been commended for how he calls plays, exploits mismatches, and designs an offense towards player strengths.

The original post that brought this debate to my attention is below--

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

My problem is not with the idea there are similarities between the offenses but with the notion a guy who has never played for Shanahan would be able to be a player/coach at the level as a guy who had played in his system. The previous post was taking about a bridge QB whereas some evidently believe Kaepernick will be (or should be) the starter for the foreseeable future. And I can't assume Hoyer would be a better teacher than Kaepernick but he is in a better position to be.

Even though I hate the idea we may be reduced to signing Hoyer, I agree with your reasoning.

yay, interest in romo.

Originally posted by mojave45:
Even though I hate the idea we may be reduced to signing Hoyer, I agree with your reasoning.

Originally posted by PacTiger:
yay, interest in romo.