QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

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AJ McCarron a better trade target than Garoppolo?

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Originally posted by LVJay:


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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
That would be like hitting the lottery for the 49ers. Cousins is the best option possibly available this off season, and im not sure its close. Garoppolo is the consolation prize. I Like Garo, but would take Cousins in a heart beat over him for the 49ers under shanny.

Cousins in Shanny offense will be about as perfect of a combo we could hope for in year one. These kind of pieces dont often fall into the right place. If we can make it happen, we need to do so.

If we can land Cousins, then we can invest heavily in supporting him with the rest of the draft and cap space.

The likelihood is practically 0%, but i would love it if the 49ers snagged Cousins, and then Drafted Fournette at #2.

IMO with those two players and a WR like Garcon, and a rookie, and we are well on our way to building a legit offense.

Hyde is a huge liability at this point. i like him, but he is overrated.

But if we are able to get cousins or Garo, i will call it a successful offseaosn when it comes to addressing the QB spot. Do not want a rookie QB at #2.

Agree. Cousins and Shanahan is an ideal pairing, and I think the interest between them is mutual. Its no secret Shanahan is high on Cousins, and now reports of Cousins wanting out of Washington....its easy to connect the dots. I'll take a QB that completes close to 70% of his passes at 8 yards per attempt any day of the week. That is outstanding efficiency, and he knows the system already. Couldn't think of a better scenario.

I'd be pretty hyped if took Fournette in the draft. Is it the most pressing need? No....but with Fournette you're talking about the odds on favorite to be offensive rookie of the year. Ezekiel Elliott was tremendous value last year at 4th overall. Its more rare these days, but RBs that talented are worth the pick. I like a lot too, but he's going into Year 4 having never finished a season healthy.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I think you are selling John Lynch short. I hope and expect he is a better negotiator than that.

If we assume Kirk wants out of Washington and wants to come here, which I do, you use that to your advantage.

Here's my prediction. Washington will tag Cousins. Cousins will continue to be "salty" with them, and make it very very clear that he will Never sign another contract with them. They keep that tag in their hip pocket, which is very expensive and a close call for them anyway, but then try to trade for or draft a more lasting solution for them at qb. If they do that, they rescind the tag, and Jed, John, and Kyle immediately fly to Washington to pick up their new quarterback. No compensation required.

Worst case, they fail to make a trade, or draft who they may target, in which case they keep the tag, Cousins plays it out, and then Jed, John, and Kyle immediately fly to Washington to pick up their new quarterback next March. No compensation required.

Either way, we will pay him a bundle, but will front load it when we don't have a team to pay as well, and then his cap number will be reasonable down the road when we do. We keep all our picks, so whenever he gets here, he will have some targets, a running game, and a defense, so the people on this board will not be screaming for John, Kyle, and Kirk's head from the gitgo.

2019 brings us Lombardi VI. (mike hits the floor) !

You could be right! I'm just throwing out some compensation scenarios based on past history, but if Lynch can leverage the situation and get him for pennies on the dollar that'd be awesome.

Originally posted by LVJay:

AJ McCarron a better trade target than Garoppolo?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786482/article/aj-mccarron-a-better-trade-target-than-garoppolo

Poor man's Alex Smith IMO. Outside of a game versus a beleaguered 49ers defense, he really wasnt very impressive considering all the weapons that he had at his disposal.

It should be pointed out, though, that McCarron's effectiveness waned after showing initial promise. He failed to convert a single third down in the regular-season finale versus the Ravens and was shut out for three quarters in the rain as the Bengals lost a memorable playoff bout with the Steelers.

Sure seems like most of the criticisms of Cousins sound similar to the criticisms you heard about Matt Ryan prior to this year. He's not clutch. He's a stat compiler but can't win big games. Given the QB situation around here over the last couple of years, I'm willing to gamble that Shanahan can do for Cousins what he did for Ryan and the extent to which that makes the 49ers a SB contender will depend as much on how the rest of the team develops as it does on whether Cousins gets better under Shanahan.

For what its worth, after hearing Shanahan and Lynch over the last 10+ days or so, it sounds like the most likely scenario is: Cousins get the franchise tag and plays for Washington this year; the 49ers sign Schaub and/or Hoyer in free agency and draft a QB in the 3rd round or later to develop. The rest of free agency and the draft is devoted to finding play makers on both sides of the ball. 2017 basically becomes a transition year to shed the dead weight of the prior regimes, change the culture and get this moving in the right direction. The 49ers probably are not much better record wise and end up with somewhere between 2 to 6 wins (at the most).

2018 then becomes the key year. The Redskins don't make the playoffs in 2017 and it results in a coaching and/or front office upheaval with Cousins being allowed to hit free agency because of the cost of tagging him again. The 49ers either end up signing Cousins or then drafting their franchise QB in the 2018 draft (Darnold, Rosen, who know who else might emerge). If Counsins doesn't sign, they still have the bridge QB in place, the young back-up from the 2017 draft and then the rookie franchise QB in place to go forward and battle it out in TC to see who starts game 1 of the 2018 season with the rest of team then being supplemented with the results of two free agency periods and two drafts. They end up winning 6-8 games and by the end of the 2018 season, the 49ers look like that up and coming young team for 2019 with their franchise QB in place.

If Cousins does sign, the bridge QB and the 2017 draftee battle it out to be the back-up and the 49ers probably become a fringe playoff team.

If Cousins wants out like Kaep wanted out last year, I hope they ate less stubborn about compensation that the 49ers were.

Looks like people on this forum are digging Cousins even more than I thought. The exceptions that come to mind are Rascal and ChazBoner.

The way I see it, we're a 2-14 team that literally has no QB the moment Kap opts out. Beggars can't be choosers. If we somehow get Cousins, sign Shaub and draft someone in the middle rounds, we just went from nothing to a nice trio of quarterbacks, the first of which can start immediately.

Personally though, I think I'm getting a bit too hyped. I'm expecting the Redskins to get something done. It's pretty inevitable. I mean how can you let a current top 10 QB walk for nothing? And everyone here thinks our FO is bad.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Looks like people on this forum are digging Cousins even more than I thought. The exceptions that come to mind are Rascal and ChazBoner.

The way I see it, we're a 2-14 team that literally has no QB the moment Kap opts out. Beggars can't be choosers. If we somehow get Cousins, sign Shaub and draft someone in the middle rounds, we just went from nothing to a nice trio of quarterbacks, the first of which can start immediately.

Personally though, I think I'm getting a bit too hyped. I'm expecting the Redskins to get something done. It's pretty inevitable. I mean how can you let a current top 10 QB walk for nothing? And everyone here thinks our FO is bad.

If he wants out they only have two choices. Tag him, or let him walk.

Cousins wants out of WAS?

Cousins is a dream!

Once you start playing you forget about everything except winning!

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree. Cousins and Shanahan is an ideal pairing, and I think the interest between them is mutual. Its no secret Shanahan is high on Cousins, and now reports of Cousins wanting out of Washington....its easy to connect the dots. I'll take a QB that completes close to 70% of his passes at 8 yards per attempt any day of the week. That is outstanding efficiency, and he knows the system already. Couldn't think of a better scenario.

I'd be pretty hyped if took Fournette in the draft. Is it the most pressing need? No....but with Fournette you're talking about the odds on favorite to be offensive rookie of the year. Ezekiel Elliott was tremendous value last year at 4th overall. Its more rare these days, but RBs that talented are worth the pick. I like a lot too, but he's going into Year 4 having never finished a season healthy.

You could be right! I'm just throwing out some compensation scenarios based on past history, but if Lynch can leverage the situation and get him for pennies on the dollar that'd be awesome.

Washington doesn't own him. Cousins played out his contract at the end of 2015. Nobody has ever tried to retain (without a new contract) or trade a quarterback that played out his contract two years prior. I submit to you the comparative sample size is zero. Nobody ever got Anything in that situation. Why should we be the first to pay?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Cousins wants out of WAS?

It seems that way. No telling how things will shake out but if they dont franchise him for some reason, he's a 49er. I just don't see them not applying the tag.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Washington doesn't own him. Cousins played out his contract at the end of 2015. Nobody has ever tried to retain (without a new contract) or trade a quarterback that played out his contract two years prior. I submit to you the comparative sample size is zero. Nobody ever got Anything in that situation. Why should we be the first to pay?

Patriots franchised Cassel and traded him for a 2nd. As long as Washington can franchise Cousins they have some leverage. At worst they could start an open auction for his services. While I'm sure he'd love to go to the 49ers, money still spends the same in Chicago and New York.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Washington doesn't own him. Cousins played out his contract at the end of 2015. Nobody has ever tried to retain (without a new contract) or trade a quarterback that played out his contract two years prior. I submit to you the comparative sample size is zero. Nobody ever got Anything in that situation. Why should we be the first to pay?

Patriots franchised Cassel and traded him for a 2nd. As long as Washington can franchise Cousins they have some leverage. At worst they could start an open auction for his services. While I'm sure he'd love to go to the 49ers, money still spends the same in Chicago and New York.

Nobody has ever franchised a quarterback twice. You lose leverage because the franchise cost goes up very steeply and prohibitively, and they'll have to consider the third year will be $35.9 million dollars. To franchise him again this year, they have to concede that he will be a free agent next year. After July 15th this year, a multi year signing is not even allowed under the rules before next March, when he can sign with anybody.

The Patriots did Not franchise Cassel twice.

ps Chicago and New York will never trade anything for him if he won't sign a contract with them first.