QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

Hell no. No reason to do it either. Washington is up s**t's Creek right now, they either keep him for a year in an attempt to try and convince him to sign a long term deal and he walks after next season or they take whatever it is they can get on the open market in a trade, assuming that Cousins is content to go somewhere else besides the 49ers.

Seems risky to wait. You don't know what another team might do between now and then. Browns, Bears, or Texans come knocking with a nice trade deal. Or Washington transition tags him next year, lets us negotiate his contract, and then they match it. Proven, relatively young, good QBs don't become available. I say you take it when you have the chance.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

No, because its unnecessary. If the Redskins are willing to deal, a deal can be worked out without surrounding the 2nd overall. If they insist on the 2nd overall, I just wait until next year to sign him as a FA. Franchising Cousins in 2018 would cost the Skins an estimated $34.4 mil. Its highly unlikely they franchise him a 3rd time at that number. They are running out of time to do a deal for him, and the more disgruntled Cousins gets forcing his way out, the less leverage they have imo.

Who's to say he wants to come here in FA next year? Sure, I bet he loves Shanny, but if Paxton Lynch doesn't work out in Denver and they go after him, or KC decides Alex isn't the answer, or Palmer retires in Arizona. All of those would be much more desirable destinations than coming to SF. Hell, even Big Ben is musing about retiring. Cousins will have plenty of suitors if he's a free agent next year.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jb49ers80:

Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

Hell no. No reason to do it either. Washington is up s**t's Creek right now, they either keep him for a year in an attempt to try and convince him to sign a long term deal and he walks after next season or they take whatever it is they can get on the open market in a trade, assuming that Cousins is content to go somewhere else besides the 49ers.

Seems risky to wait. You don't know what another team might do between now and then. Browns, Bears, or Texans come knocking with a nice trade deal. Or Washington transition tags him next year, lets us negotiate his contract, and then they match it. Proven, relatively young, good QBs don't become available. I say you take it when you have the chance.

Hell no! That's desperate move.

He already said he doesn't want to be there and I doubt he signs a new contract.

I feel very good about getting him if he becomes a FA.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
Seems risky to wait. You don't know what another team might do between now and then. Browns, Bears, or Texans come knocking with a nice trade deal. Or Washington transition tags him next year, lets us negotiate his contract, and then they match it. Proven, relatively young, good QBs don't become available. I say you take it when you have the chance.

Washington isn't going to match a long term contract for a player that absolutely doesn't want to be there. As far as Cousins goes, the 49ers are in the catbird seat with Shanahan as a head coach. Nothing is guaranteed but they are in a good spot and have no reason to act with desperation, the Redskins are the ones who have largely screwed themselves over.

If the 49ers don't get him, they have other options they can choose from at QB, whether this years draft or next years, someone like Garoppolo....etc.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

No, because its unnecessary. If the Redskins are willing to deal, a deal can be worked out without surrounding the 2nd overall. If they insist on the 2nd overall, I just wait until next year to sign him as a FA. Franchising Cousins in 2018 would cost the Skins an estimated $34.4 mil. Its highly unlikely they franchise him a 3rd time at that number. They are running out of time to do a deal for him, and the more disgruntled Cousins gets forcing his way out, the less leverage they have imo.

Who's to say he wants to come here in FA next year? Sure, I bet he loves Shanny, but if Paxton Lynch doesn't work out in Denver and they go after him, or KC decides Alex isn't the answer, or Palmer retires in Arizona. All of those would be much more desirable destinations than coming to SF. Hell, even Big Ben is musing about retiring. Cousins will have plenty of suitors if he's a free agent next year.

Thats fine by me. I'd love to get Cousins for the right price, but I'm not approaching it like we have to get him at all costs. When you're in a negotiation to acquire a player the last thing you want to do is give the impression that you're desperate for that player. It kills your leverage going in, and based on comments from Kyle and Lynch, I don't think the 49ers are desperate or will approach it that way.

We have options too. We can go another route in FA for 2017. We can draft a QB high in 2017, or even 2018. Its not all or nothing for Cousins. He's good, but I'm not banking the future of this team on him. Either we get him on a deal that makes sense, or we don't. If not, we move on to other options. No big loss to me, and I like the guy a lot.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Thats fine by me. I'd love to get Cousins for the right price, but I'm not approaching it like we have to get him at all costs. When you're in a negotiation to acquire a player the last thing you want to do is give the impression that you're desperate for that player. It kills your leverage going in, and based on comments from Kyle and Lynch, I don't think the 49ers are desperate or will approach it that way.

We have options too. We can go another route in FA for 2017. We can draft a QB high in 2017, or even 2018. Its not all or nothing for Cousins. He's good, but I'm not banking the future of this team on him. Either we get him on a deal that makes sense, or we don't. If not, we move on to other options. No big loss to me, and I like the guy a lot.

I agree with this, but I think the #2 pick makes sense. This is not a great draft to be picking #2. No guarantee that any QB in this or next year's draft will be anywhere close to what Cousins is now. If you could guarantee that Trubisky or Watson would be as good as Cousins, you would take him at #2 and not think twice. Why not give up #2 to guarantee you get a QB that good?

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
I agree with this, but I think the #2 pick makes sense. This is not a great draft to be picking #2. No guarantee that any QB in this or next year's draft will be anywhere close to what Cousins is now. If you could guarantee that Trubisky or Watson would be as good as Cousins, you would take him at #2 and not think twice. Why not give up #2 to guarantee you get a QB that good?

Just because you state it doesn't make it true. Even if you're not a fan of the QB's, that doesn't mean that there aren't some stellar talents available near the top of the draft who would be instant starters for a team desperately in need of impact players.

There is just no need to give up a pick that high for Cousins when its clear that Washington will have a hard time keeping him after next season and that other teams might be reluctant to offer much for a guy who could be far more interested in playing for the 49ers than anyone else. For once the 49ers are in a really good place, at least as far as Cousins goes, no need to act desperate. The Redskins are the ones on the verge of losing their franchise QB.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Thats fine by me. I'd love to get Cousins for the right price, but I'm not approaching it like we have to get him at all costs. When you're in a negotiation to acquire a player the last thing you want to do is give the impression that you're desperate for that player. It kills your leverage going in, and based on comments from Kyle and Lynch, I don't think the 49ers are desperate or will approach it that way.

We have options too. We can go another route in FA for 2017. We can draft a QB high in 2017, or even 2018. Its not all or nothing for Cousins. He's good, but I'm not banking the future of this team on him. Either we get him on a deal that makes sense, or we don't. If not, we move on to other options. No big loss to me, and I like the guy a lot.

I agree with this, but I think the #2 pick makes sense. This is not a great draft to be picking #2. No guarantee that any QB in this or next year's draft will be anywhere close to what Cousins is now. If you could guarantee that Trubisky or Watson would be as good as Cousins, you would take him at #2 and not think twice. Why not give up #2 to guarantee you get a QB that good?

Well, I'm greedy lol. I want to retain the 2nd overall AND get Kirk Cousins. If the Redskins don't like it, then no trade. They can deal with a disgruntled QB who no longer wants to be there, and deal with the exact same situation albeit worse in 2018. Redskins are on the clock with Cousins, not the 49ers. We don't have to deal, we can go a number of different ways. All the pressure is on them.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:

Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

If that pick was in the latter part of the draft like let's say mid 20's sure why not but the 2nd pick overall? No way we put up with such a torturous Season to be where we are at now. This past Season was brutal to us fans we earned that 2nd pick N to hand it over like that is not cool one bit.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
Would you guys give up the #2 pick for Cousins? I would.

It wont take that, But if that was the only way? Yes i would. There is no better value to be had other then a blockbuster trade back, which is not guaranteed to happen. No player in this Draft would be more Valuable to the 49ers than Kirk Cousins.

If cousins was locked up long term, and not disinterested in being in DC, he would be worth the #2 easy. Only reason he is not worth it now is because its highly likely worst case scenario he becomes a FA next offseason.

But i dont think it would take that if Cousins really wants no part of Washington.

If im Washington though im doing everything in my power to make ammends in lock the kid up. If they let him go it may be the biggest mistaken their franchise has ever made, and thats saying something.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Looks like people on this forum are digging Cousins even more than I thought. The exceptions that come to mind are Rascal and ChazBoner.

The way I see it, we're a 2-14 team that literally has no QB the moment Kap opts out. Beggars can't be choosers. If we somehow get Cousins, sign Shaub and draft someone in the middle rounds, we just went from nothing to a nice trio of quarterbacks, the first of which can start immediately.

Personally though, I think I'm getting a bit too hyped. I'm expecting the Redskins to get something done. It's pretty inevitable. I mean how can you let a current top 10 QB walk for nothing? And everyone here thinks our FO is bad.

Our FO is bad.
Make the SB and conf championships but let's blow up the coaching staff and now let's find legitimate replacements.
That's f**ked up

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Just because you state it doesn't make it true. Even if you're not a fan of the QB's, that doesn't mean that there aren't some stellar talents available near the top of the draft who would be instant starters for a team desperately in need of impact players.

There is just no need to give up a pick that high for Cousins when its clear that Washington will have a hard time keeping him after next season and that other teams might be reluctant to offer much for a guy who could be far more interested in playing for the 49ers than anyone else. For once the 49ers are in a really good place, at least as far as Cousins goes, no need to act desperate. The Redskins are the ones on the verge of losing their franchise QB.

If we can't trade down and Garrett goes #1, who do you take at #2, and would you rather have that player or Kirk Cousins? I just fear that we won't get him next year (I'm not afraid of Washington. I'm afraid of the 15 other teams in the NFL that would be interested in adding a QB of that caliber) and I don't like anyone at #2 more than him. Just because he'll probably be a free agent next year, does not mean it's certain we will get him. Right now, we can take advantage of the fact that Washington is up s**t's creek. Next year, we'll be competing against half the teams in the league that will want him.

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Our FO is bad.
Make the SB and conf championships but let's blow up the coaching staff and now let's find legitimate replacements.
That's f**ked up

That wasn't the point of my post but okay sure lol. Nobody disagrees with you.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Cousins wants out of WAS?

It seems that way. No telling how things will shake out but if they dont franchise him for some reason, he's a 49er. I just don't see them not applying the tag.

The report said h definitely wants out of WAS, but he wants to be tagged. I dont really understand.

It's basically saying that he would rather be tagged for a year than do a long term extension with them.

And he would be guaranteed $23 million. That's not too bad of a one year contract if you ask me.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I think you are selling John Lynch short. I hope and expect he is a better negotiator than that.

If we assume Kirk wants out of Washington and wants to come here, which I do, you use that to your advantage.

Here's my prediction. Washington will tag Cousins. Cousins will continue to be "salty" with them, and make it very very clear that he will Never sign another contract with them. They keep that tag in their hip pocket, which is very expensive and a close call for them anyway, but then try to trade for or draft a more lasting solution for them at qb. If they do that, they rescind the tag, and Jed, John, and Kyle immediately fly to Washington to pick up their new quarterback. No compensation required.

Worst case, they fail to make a trade, or draft who they may target, in which case they keep the tag, Cousins plays it out, and then Jed, John, and Kyle immediately fly to Washington to pick up their new quarterback next March. No compensation required.

Either way, we will pay him a bundle, but will front load it when we don't have a team to pay as well, and then his cap number will be reasonable down the road when we do. We keep all our picks, so whenever he gets here, he will have some targets, a running game, and a defense, so the people on this board will not be screaming for John, Kyle, and Kirk's head from the gitgo.

2019 brings us Lombardi VI. (mike hits the floor) !

I think this board looks like group paranoia. We've been beaten down so long that we can't recognize when we're in the cat bird seat.

That's fine, until we shoot ourselves in the foot over it.