QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The difference is he knew how a Lamborghini performs there's a long history of it...he KNEW the type of car he was getting and was willing to give up that extra money. We have no idea if he's gonna be a Lamborghini or a solid Honda, there simply isn't enough film to make that decision. That's the reason why you can take a chance on a rookie QB, the money makes it work...signing a big contract with little to go off is stupid and risky and the Texans just saw that.

We aren't a QB away from being good and need our top premium picks for the future of the franchise.

There's no one on this staff that has any past experience with Jimmy G to say "hey he's our guy" no one to vouch for him sort of speak. The Browns have a totally different FO and HC, plus they are mainly run by analytics....that would go against how money ball is run. Personally, I don't even think he's a great fit for Hue's vertical threat offense. Hue loves his athletic QB's with cannon arms, I could see them bringing in Taylor/Kap then drafting Watson or Kizer with that 12th pick just as easy.

We will see, I can see the Bears and us being the main teams just based on scheme fit. Texans might be a dark horse but the owner has already put the kibosh on that.

There will be a ton of talking at the combine.

Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Cousins is showing what a terrible strategy that is. If you go to resign him after the tag he knows you have to pay him 22 then 30 million so you better be prepared to pay up and big early. The ball is completely in his court because he's making 20 mil guaranteed either way.

If we trade for Jimmy you have to have a contract already worked out. At least now you got him for Osweiler $.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think who ever gives up a first will get him.

Bingo! Like I have been saying all along, I believe when is all said and done, a 1st will get it done.

Well yeah a 1st would get it done lol...NE would take the 2nd overall pick in a heartbeat that doesn't mean that's what has to be offered to get a deal done. That's the whole point.

Nope. The difference is the Pats might not "mind" taking a 2nd + something else, but in reality they will probably end up getting a 1st due to the competitive situation.

Is kind of this, a friend of mine wanted a Lamborghini Aventador when it first came out, but the waiting list was 2 years, so what did he do? He bought it from a dealer and paid a slight premium for it and he got his car. So, similarly, if the teams in question deem Garoppolo as their guy, they will attempt to outbid the next team in order to land him.

Again, remember "if the guy is your guy" then it will supercede any value system. We are talking about a franchise QB here and if you are convinced he is the guy then no price is too high. You think is BS, then you can find your own version of Jared Goff in the draft. I wanted Jared Goff last year and I can't argue with Schlereth that the jury is still out on the guy. Plus, if you are sh*t at drafting anyway like the Browns, then you are almost certainly better off by taking Garoppolo like Schlereth said.

Maybe the Browns put a premium on Jimmy G, but that doesn't mean Shanahan and Lynch will. He has played 1.5 games. It isn't like they are trading for a can't miss, guaranteed FQB. They may or may not be sold on him. They may place a higher value on building the rest of the team first. Just because in the past we haven't been drafting QB's, doesn't mean that if we don't do it the first year of a rebuild that the new FO doesn't intend to do that regularly. But they need to build a long term winner, and have needs everywhere. Jimmy G may not be their highest priority to spend their picks on.

Just draft Trubisky or Watson, whomever you prefer, then we don't have to worry about losing all these draft picks.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Cousins is showing what a terrible strategy that is. If you go to resign him after the tag he knows you have to pay him 22 then 30 million so you better be prepared to pay up and big early. The ball is completely in his court because he's making 20 mil guaranteed either way.

If we trade for Jimmy you have to have a contract already worked out. At least now you got him for Osweiler $.

This...Washington f**ked up and now will have to pay almost $40 million in guaranteed cash and could STILL have no long term deal and be out of a qb in 2018

Like you said part of the trade would be signing him or even seeing if he would even want to.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

Good points, a rookie will be on a rookie contract and will not reach Garoppolo level salary for four years. That would give the team some options they otherwise might not have...like going after a top WR in FAcy. On the other hand, if Shanahan sees any vet QB as the FQB of the future I'm all in with trusting his judgement over my own. If Shanahan is asked to give up two first round picks I'd guess he would need to be very certain. Can anyone be certain about JG? I think not.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Cousins is showing what a terrible strategy that is. If you go to resign him after the tag he knows you have to pay him 22 then 30 million so you better be prepared to pay up and big early. The ball is completely in his court because he's making 20 mil guaranteed either way.

If we trade for Jimmy you have to have a contract already worked out. At least now you got him for Osweiler $.

Tagging him is only a last resort, that was a hypothetical situation.

My point is anyone should be more sure of Garoppolo than any rookie even if is a small sample size of NFL games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

Of course you are all in, that applies to either Garoppolo or a rookie.

It is an option if you need more time, or at worst just write off the 2 pick like you would if you drafted a bust instead.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

Of course you are all in, that applies to either Garoppolo or a rookie.

It is an option if you need more time, or at worst just write off the 2 pick like you would if you drafted a bust instead.

So youre automatically saying we are drafting a bust lol

Originally posted by Rascal:
Tagging him is only a last resort, that was a hypothetical situation.

My point is anyone should be more sure of Garoppolo than any rookie even if is a small sample size of NFL games.

The problem with this is that he will command a FQB salary and may not be of that quality, whereas a rookie will allow them to also sign a lesser vet QB and draft another developmental guy without over spending on the position going forward. But as always...I trust the offensive minded HC's judgement and if he sees JG and the guy...great!

Edit: the safest way to go, since no one knows if JG or KC are FQBs worthy of numerous high picks, to draft two guys with high ceilings and let them rise behind a solid but less expensive vet. The team is not going to be in the SB next year so it seems premature to spend much of your draft on a QB.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

Of course you are all in, that applies to either Garoppolo or a rookie.

It is an option if you need more time, or at worst just write off the 2 pick like you would if you drafted a bust instead.

So youre automatically saying we are drafting a bust lol

No, I am saying this is the worst case scenario for both approaches.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Of course you are all in, that applies to either Garoppolo or a rookie.

It is an option if you need more time, or at worst just write off the 2 pick like you would if you drafted a bust instead.

Your not traded the 2nd overall pick if your not signing him asap...that's when he will be cheapest and we all saw the BS when you tag a qb in Washington you lose leverage.

That's part of the reason his value drops (and lack of flim).

Not only are you investing your top pick but your paying him like a top end qb when he hasn't been one yet.

I'm all for a trade but if it requires our 1st no way...how anyone could think two early rd 2nd wouldn't be more than enough if beyond me.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The problem with this is that he will command a FQB salary and may not be of that quality, whereas a rookie will allow them to also sign a lesser vet QB and draft another developmental guy without over spending on the position going forward. But as always...I trust the offensive minded HC's judgement and if he sees JG and the guy...great!

Edit: the safest way to go, since no one knows if JH or KC are FQBs worthy of numerous high picks, to draft two guys with high ceilings and let them rise behind a solid but less expensive vet. The team is not going to be in the SB next year so it seems premature to spend much of your draft on a QB.

The FQB salary only starts when you give him a big contract. For the sake of discussion, let's just say Garoppolo stinks up the joint in 2017, you still have an option of not giving him a big contract. You could either tag him if you need more time or you could even cut him and just write off the 2 pick.

So, in that sense, that is no different to if we were to draft a bust at 2.