John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Belichick is a far superior coach to Harbaugh so I don't buy the comparison. He's better because he was smart enough to work with the owner effectively, treating him with the respect an owner has purchased. JH was saddled with Jed York, who is no Kraft, but he could have built him up and had him in his pocket if he had been more socially aware. Baalke isn't exactly a social genius either. But instead, JH alienated Jed, Trent, Paraag...just about the entire management of the team. I have heard he did the same thing at Stanford.

I totally agree that Jed is much at fault as well. His immaturity matched Jim's and they had Baalke as mediator! Horrible group of personalities!

Bill's on his 2nd coaching stint and burned every bridge he had in Clv. He had to learn how to politic certain moves himself.

There's a reason Baalke has yet to find a job. They turned our organization into an embarrassment from top to bottom and the over involvement could be seen by anyone. From assistants saying they had no say on picks, to players calling Trent coach. If JH had to tell them gtfo out of here of was probably for good reason.

All I know is, Baalke was a horrible GM, Jed is not the best Owner, I'm not going to bash him too much, I'm glad he's taken himself out of the football operations, and let Shanahan, Lynch ad Peters take command.

I loved Harbaugh as much as everyone here did, but he wore out his welcome IMO, his refusal to get a new OC when Greg Roman sucked, and our offense was horrible with Harbs as HC. My only negative I have towards Jed, and if it is his fault, is when we could have hired Adam Gase with Fangio as DC.

But I'm over the whole Baalke/Jed/Harbaugh saga, I look forward to seeing what this new regime has in store in the coming months, and especially next offseason, if we can get Cousins.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:

and i fully remember that MOST OF YOU GUYS laughed at when I had Brent Jones in mind about becoming a GM.. uhmm, what did you all say again???

"GREAT, AN EX PLAYER TO BECOME A GM W/O ANY EPXPERIENCE"..

We said BRENT JONES WONT BE INTERESTED IN BECOMING OUR GM AND STEVE YOUNG WONT BE OUR HEAD COACH EITHER.

And we were right.

I like the Lynch hire. I am a bit worried about the fact that he has no GM or player personnel experience, but I think that's a positive. I think because of his inexperience, he'll cede a lot of his power to Kyle. The previous regime's GM structure in Harbaugh, Tomsula, and Kelly - the GM was just too powerful.

He did damn good in FA and the draft.

having a GM who knows they need other's input in a VERY positive change.

My hope is the cooperative relationship lasts longer than that between Harbaugh and Baalke. I'll be paying close attention to the personal dynamics between the two. I'll be paying close attention to any rumors or leaks saying Lynch and Shanahan having issues like losing the locker room, or one or the other being rumored to ask for more control. We shall see.

How odd it is that now, 4 months in, we still have no idea of the hiring relationship between John and Kyle. Bear in mind that John was hired SECRETLY by Jed, and that somewhere in there , Jed decided on Kyle as his HC...ok, OC/HC. That seemed strange in that we had no GM at the time. It was a Jed hire...unh oh. But then the announcement is made that John has been hired to do a post mortem on the franchise, and also to clean things up AND hire a GM...with a HC already hired. Stranger still.

So now it is chicken and the egg time.

Was JOhn ALREADY hired to find out where we went off the rails, and how to fix it...when Kyle was hired by Jed? Anyone know that for sure? I sure don't. And then the next question. IF john was NOT already hired by Jed, did KYLE mention John as a possible GM, even tho he was hired by Jed to "fix" the franchise? It really doesn't matter, but is to Giedi's point that he hopes the two of them maintain the great cameraderie and connection that obviously was so missing in the harbaw/baalke combo.

I think there is all the difference between nite and day with this combo and harbaw/baalke. In the harbaw/baalke deal we had two overgrown egos of two successful guys who had made it already in football(one college, the other NFL), end up competing with one another. Perhaps it was indirectly, but make no doubt....there was competition. Wtih kyle/Lynch, we have the polar opposite. Two guys , one who needs the other as bad as the other needs him....if you follow that. In other words, this relationship is symbiotic...of mutual benefit to both. With jim and baalke, it was adversarial , almost, and i think both guys liked their own kind of players. With kyle and john, they actually know they need one another, and each is anxious to help the other succeed. Wasn't that way under baalke.

So the question remains, did John help Jed hire Kyle or did kyle help jed hire John. I can make a case for either or both....yet i have no idea who was actually there first and who in fact, really hired whom. Keep in mind, we knew when kyle was hired. Nobody knew for certain when John was hired.

With this in mind Giedi, my guess would be that the two of them remain close; they both have the same 6 yr contract, yet another oddity, and there is no question that working together,, these two make one helluva team. So i put it out there once again...and not that it matters, but who hired whom?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
All I know is, Baalke was a horrible GM, Jed is not the best Owner, I'm not going to bash him too much, I'm glad he's taken himself out of the football operations, and let Shanahan, Lynch ad Peters take command.

I loved Harbaugh as much as everyone here did, but he wore out his welcome IMO, his refusal to get a new OC when Greg Roman sucked, and our offense was horrible with Harbs as HC. My only negative I have towards Jed, and if it is his fault, is when we could have hired Adam Gase with Fangio as DC.

But I'm over the whole Baalke/Jed/Harbaugh saga, I look forward to seeing what this new regime has in store in the coming months, and especially next offseason, if we can get Cousins.

Totally agree with this post. I'm also looking forward to the Combo of Kyle, John, and (in the shadows, Darth Shananan)

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
and i fully remember that MOST OF YOU GUYS laughed at when I had Brent Jones in mind about becoming a GM.. uhmm, what did you all say again???

"GREAT, AN EX PLAYER TO BECOME A GM W/O ANY EPXPERIENCE"..

We said BRENT JONES WONT BE INTERESTED IN BECOMING OUR GM AND STEVE YOUNG WONT BE OUR HEAD COACH EITHER.

And we were right.

I like the Lynch hire. I am a bit worried about the fact that he has no GM or player personnel experience, but I think that's a positive. I think because of his inexperience, he'll cede a lot of his power to Kyle. The previous regime's GM structure in Harbaugh, Tomsula, and Kelly - the GM was just too powerful.

He did damn good in FA and the draft.

having a GM who knows they need other's input in a VERY positive change.

My hope is the cooperative relationship lasts longer than that between Harbaugh and Baalke. I'll be paying close attention to the personal dynamics between the two. I'll be paying close attention to any rumors or leaks saying Lynch and Shanahan having issues like losing the locker room, or one or the other being rumored to ask for more control. We shall see.

How odd it is that now, 4 months in, we still have no idea of the hiring relationship between John and Kyle. Bear in mind that John was hired SECRETLY by Jed, and that somewhere in there , Jed decided on Kyle as his HC...ok, OC/HC. That seemed strange in that we had no GM at the time. It was a Jed hire...unh oh. But then the announcement is made that John has been hired to do a post mortem on the franchise, and also to clean things up AND hire a GM...with a HC already hired. Stranger still.

So now it is chicken and the egg time.

Was JOhn ALREADY hired to find out where we went off the rails, and how to fix it...when Kyle was hired by Jed? Anyone know that for sure? I sure don't. And then the next question. IF john was NOT already hired by Jed, did KYLE mention John as a possible GM, even tho he was hired by Jed to "fix" the franchise? It really doesn't matter, but is to Giedi's point that he hopes the two of them maintain the great cameraderie and connection that obviously was so missing in the harbaw/baalke combo.

I think there is all the difference between nite and day with this combo and harbaw/baalke. In the harbaw/baalke deal we had two overgrown egos of two successful guys who had made it already in football(one college, the other NFL), end up competing with one another. Perhaps it was indirectly, but make no doubt....there was competition. Wtih kyle/Lynch, we have the polar opposite. Two guys , one who needs the other as bad as the other needs him....if you follow that. In other words, this relationship is symbiotic...of mutual benefit to both. With jim and baalke, it was adversarial , almost, and i think both guys liked their own kind of players. With kyle and john, they actually know they need one another, and each is anxious to help the other succeed. Wasn't that way under baalke.

So the question remains, did John help Jed hire Kyle or did kyle help jed hire John. I can make a case for either or both....yet i have no idea who was actually there first and who in fact, really hired whom. Keep in mind, we knew when kyle was hired. Nobody knew for certain when John was hired.

With this in mind Giedi, my guess would be that the two of them remain close; they both have the same 6 yr contract, yet another oddity, and there is no question that working together,, these two make one helluva team. So i put it out there once again...and not that it matters, but who hired whom?

Doc, because of the issues of NFL tampering rules. Link
{quote}
In season (including Super Bowl if they are still playing; excluding Pro Bowl), NO contact with a Head Coach under contract, no permission can even be requested.

• Off season, permission-based contact only. o We may negotiate into client deals the right to automatic off-season permission; o Clubs can negotiate a right of first refusal based on their allowing a right of automatic permission.

• All in-season discussions, requests for permission, or contacts of any kind concerning future employment of a Head Coach with a club other than his employer club are prohibited.

• Any Head Coach not under contract by the time preseason training camp begins is not permitted to participate until his written contract is signed and approved by the League office
{end Quote}
Technically, Lynch hired Kyle. In practical terms, Kyle hired Lynch. The tampering rules make it very difficult to answer your question without making a lot of conjecture and assumptions. My take on it is that somehow, without violating the NFL tampering rules, Jed contacted Kyle and said he wanted him as coach. As the waiting period extended because of the playoff wins and the tampering rules, it was a wink-wink-nod-nod kind of agreement that circumvented the NFL tampering rules, that allowed Kyle to suggest to Jed who he'd like as GM. In that way, I think Kyle was instrumental in hiring Lynch. But that's just my take on it, I'm sure Ab8, NCommand, and Thl408 and many other High IQ guys that post here have a different take and are much more knowledgeable about how these things work than I do.

Well, Giedi, from a secret agent standpoint, i kinda like yours...but obviously i know nothign for sure. But i would not be surprised if you were right. Here, we are sure NOT to know, due to , as you note, NFL tampering rules. I sure know watching ATL in that game that i was saying the beads hoping that we get kyle...and lo and behold, it happened.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bill's on his 2nd coaching stint and burned every bridge he had in Clv. He had to learn how to politic certain moves himself.

There's a reason Baalke has yet to find a job. They turned our organization into an embarrassment from top to bottom and the over involvement could be seen by anyone. From assistants saying they had no say on picks, to players calling Trent coach. If JH had to tell them gtfo out of here of was probably for good reason.

OK.....

Originally posted by bors:

We did get a bit lucky. Washington not trading with us for there 17 th was lucky. My opinion is that if we had moved up it would have been for foster

This we would have lost some picks
Got lucky. Had to stay put. But still for our guy

Draft is more luck than skill IMO.

i always laugh when Pats fans want to give Belichick credit for drafting Brady. Sure he deserves credit for pulling the trigger but they had no idea what they were getting or he would've been their first round pick.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
All I know is, Baalke was a horrible GM, Jed is not the best Owner, I'm not going to bash him too much, I'm glad he's taken himself out of the football operations, and let Shanahan, Lynch ad Peters take command.

I loved Harbaugh as much as everyone here did, but he wore out his welcome IMO, his refusal to get a new OC when Greg Roman sucked, and our offense was horrible with Harbs as HC. My only negative I have towards Jed, and if it is his fault, is when we could have hired Adam Gase with Fangio as DC.

But I'm over the whole Baalke/Jed/Harbaugh saga, I look forward to seeing what this new regime has in store in the coming months, and especially next offseason, if we can get Cousins.

Totally agree with this post. I'm also looking forward to the Combo of Kyle, John, and (in the shadows, Darth Shananan)

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2. San Francisco 49ers

Give it up for John Lynch. In his first offseason as an NFL general manager, he swindled the Bears to give up a a king's ransom to move up one spot in the draft. He still managed to draft the player, Solomon Thomas, he wanted all along. Getting Reuben Foster, a first-round talent if you don't factor in his injury history, late in the first round was huge too. The 49ers also didn't overspend in free agency, which is sensible because they are light years away from playoff contention. So, they did the one thing that a team devoid of talent can do: They stockpiled assets to draft a new, young core group of players. That's a successful offseason.

One move that made no sense: Taking developmental quarterback C.J. Beathard in the third round. That's way too early for a marginal talent.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-front-office-power-rankings-49ers-buccaneers-challenge-patriots-for-top-spot/

Nest years draft will determine how good Lynch is.

Anyone can have one good year.

But how he uses our stockpiled draft choices will really tell.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
Nest years draft will determine how good Lynch is.

Anyone can have one good year.

But how he uses our stockpiled draft choices will really tell.

Anyone can have two good years...

Originally posted by Giedi:

Doc, because of the issues of NFL tampering rules. Link
{quote}
In season (including Super Bowl if they are still playing; excluding Pro Bowl), NO contact with a Head Coach under contract, no permission can even be requested.

• Off season, permission-based contact only. o We may negotiate into client deals the right to automatic off-season permission; o Clubs can negotiate a right of first refusal based on their allowing a right of automatic permission.

• All in-season discussions, requests for permission, or contacts of any kind concerning future employment of a Head Coach with a club other than his employer club are prohibited.

• Any Head Coach not under contract by the time preseason training camp begins is not permitted to participate until his written contract is signed and approved by the League office
{end Quote}
Technically, Lynch hired Kyle. In practical terms, Kyle hired Lynch. The tampering rules make it very difficult to answer your question without making a lot of conjecture and assumptions. My take on it is that somehow, without violating the NFL tampering rules, Jed contacted Kyle and said he wanted him as coach. As the waiting period extended because of the playoff wins and the tampering rules, it was a wink-wink-nod-nod kind of agreement that circumvented the NFL tampering rules, that allowed Kyle to suggest to Jed who he'd like as GM. In that way, I think Kyle was instrumental in hiring Lynch. But that's just my take on it, I'm sure Ab8, NCommand, and Thl408 and many other High IQ guys that post here have a different take and are much more knowledgeable about how these things work than I do.

Just re-listened to the video of Edison's radio interview with Kyle, and Kyle says he got a call out of the blue from Lynch, during Kyle's prep for the NFCC East game, and Lynch asked how Kyle was doing and also what his plans were for 2017. Kyle said he hadn't thot much about it being "as busy as a one armed paper hangar with hives", just doing game planning,prep, etc. Kyle said John asked him to call when he was done as there was something kyle might be interested in. Not certain but they may have spoken again when John called prior to SB and asked if he would be interested in a HC job. Kyle said he would get back after SB.

So Giedi for reasons you mentioned, we don' t know this for sure, but it sounds like you were correct in that technically John hired Kyle. What really happened, we won't know.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Doc, because of the issues of NFL tampering rules. Link
{quote}
In season (including Super Bowl if they are still playing; excluding Pro Bowl), NO contact with a Head Coach under contract, no permission can even be requested.

• Off season, permission-based contact only. o We may negotiate into client deals the right to automatic off-season permission; o Clubs can negotiate a right of first refusal based on their allowing a right of automatic permission.

• All in-season discussions, requests for permission, or contacts of any kind concerning future employment of a Head Coach with a club other than his employer club are prohibited.

• Any Head Coach not under contract by the time preseason training camp begins is not permitted to participate until his written contract is signed and approved by the League office
{end Quote}
Technically, Lynch hired Kyle. In practical terms, Kyle hired Lynch. The tampering rules make it very difficult to answer your question without making a lot of conjecture and assumptions. My take on it is that somehow, without violating the NFL tampering rules, Jed contacted Kyle and said he wanted him as coach. As the waiting period extended because of the playoff wins and the tampering rules, it was a wink-wink-nod-nod kind of agreement that circumvented the NFL tampering rules, that allowed Kyle to suggest to Jed who he'd like as GM. In that way, I think Kyle was instrumental in hiring Lynch. But that's just my take on it, I'm sure Ab8, NCommand, and Thl408 and many other High IQ guys that post here have a different take and are much more knowledgeable about how these things work than I do.

Just re-listened to the video of Edison's radio interview with Kyle, and Kyle says he got a call out of the blue from Lynch, during Kyle's prep for the NFCC East game, and Lynch asked how Kyle was doing and also what his plans were for 2017. Kyle said he hadn't thot much about it being "as busy as a one armed paper hangar with hives", just doing game planning,prep, etc. Kyle said John asked him to call when he was done as there was something kyle might be interested in. Not certain but they may have spoken again when John called prior to SB and asked if he would be interested in a HC job. Kyle said he would get back after SB.

So Giedi for reasons you mentioned, we don' t know this for sure, but it sounds like you were correct in that technically John hired Kyle. What really happened, we won't know.

In early January. Falcons had a first round bye. Kyle and Mcdaniels among others interviewed for the coaching spot with Paraag and Jed. They were at the top for who was gonna get it.

Louis Riddick was riding the Mcdaniels train, talking him up. Trying to get picked by Mcdaniels to be his gm. Then that train fell apart when they realized it was Kyles job. And late January Lynch made that call to Kyle when it was pretty much know Kyle was gonna be our HC.


"The idea to hire Lynch was his own. He personally called Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan about a week ago, and volunteered for the job.

Shanahan, considered the favorite to be named the Niners' next head coach, thought about Lynch, and the more he thought about it, the more he felt Lynch was a fit for the job. Lynch played for Shanahan's father, Mike, in Denver."


Jed and Paraag got advice that the gm/HC needs to be in sync. Lynch saw Kyle was gonna get it and was smart enough to call him and talk it up. Kyle was down with lynch as gm. And it worked perfect for Jed and Paraag since they wanted a GM/HC duo that wanted to be with eachother and work together.