John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by tankle104:
Garrett is a monster but it isn't like they added him to line from last season. they traded Jared verse for him. so it's a net positive for the rams but they dont have Verse and Garrett..
would be like us trading Bosa for Garrett - we would be better but still in a similar position with only one pass rusher.

Young and Garrett >>>> Verse and Garrett

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
We just went 12-5 and to the Divisional round while missing 3 of our 5 best players and y'all are trying to tell me our window is actually another 2-3 years away so that's why it was perfectly fine to just sit on our hands?

My dude ENTIRE TEAMS get built within 2-3 years you can't be serious with this level of cope 😂

That, and in 2-3 years, will Kittle be on the team? Will Bosa be on the team? Will CMC be on the team? Will Juice be on the team? Will Trent be on the team? Will Dre be on the team? Will even Warner be on the team? And if any of them are, they won't be better. Go time is now with this core.

Great question but you still shouldn't throw your future away if you're not VERY confident in your roster. I like our roster but even before this trade looking at Rams and Seattle it's hard to say we're better. Those are the types of moves you make when you think you're one impact player away.

We are not. Still too many questions with guys coming back from injury and unproven players at key spots. Would've loved to make the move for Garrett but we don't have the bodies to give up and not sure Browns would've taken enough in draft pick only compensation from us.

They were one win away from having home field throughout this year. If go time is not now, then it won't ever be. The perfect scenario doesn't exist, and both Lynch and Kyle aren't getting forever. So if this regime ever is going to win one, then they have to take the risk of not competing for a year, (b/c that's all it's ever costed the rams with their strategy).

Smoke and mirrors and great coaching. I think our front office is more realistic than some fans and the funny thing is the same guys who were bringing up our record being smoke and mirrors cuz of the easy schedule are the same ones acting like the 49ers should've thrown everything at the Browns to get Garrett.

Even with all of our nice additions this offseason we were clearly the #3 team in the division and until we see Bosa, Mykel and Kittle back on the field healthy and playing up to their abilities it's hard for the team to feel like they're right up there. I know we CAN be right up there with them but right now there are too many unknowns imo.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:
Wasn't just the Stafford trade. They lucked into getting Von Miller on that "aging vet wants to go to a winning team special" and then Browns(what is it with this friggin team!!) cut OBJ and of course he signed with them.

But once again. We were in the exact position the Rams were in 2021 and had every chance to finish with the Lombardi but 2 key injuries, some brutal turnover luck and decisions stopped it from happening. Jed had the right team in place, they just didn't close it out. And I can guarantee had the refs favored us the way they did the Rams in their SB, we win.

Just trash luck on our part but you can't point to the Rams doing something so different from us. If we're being real had we not been as banged up as we were we're playing in that SB. Not to mention I don't know if that Rams team would've done well playing in the freezing temps of Lambeau had we not knocked out the #1 seed for them. Oh yeah and F Tartt!

Hopefully this year we don't help them out...

Yes you can. How many first round picks have we traded away for established All-Pros?

The Rams definitely wouldn't be sitting quietly on the most cap room in the league like we are.

Why does it have to be first round picks?

You realize Rams didn't trade any first round picks for established All Pros that were the main reason they won that SB right? The Rams DID sit quietly on the most cap room when they didn't have a team they felt could be favored to win it all.

Stop acting like Stafford doesn't exist

How many All Pros did Stafford have when the Rams traded for him? 49ers tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers...actually someone who had All Pros but the Packers didn't want to do the deal. They tried to trade for Khalil Mack and actually offered more than Bears gave the Raiders but Davis didn't want to trade Mack to the 49ers.

So what exactly was your point other than after the Rams traded for Stafford and made a bunch of other moves and still got lucky with a few things they won a SB and we didn't?

Don't forget we did pull CMC underneath the Rams also Peyton Manning and Brady 100% should have been 9ers as well but Manning didn't want to play in the NFC because of Eli and we just committed to Garoppolo. Seems like the 9ers just have bad luck with a lot of this not the lack of trying. That and they botched hard on the Trey Lance trade, if I'm Lynch I might be hesitant because if he does another one of those and it doesn't work out he might get fired

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

We just went 12-5 and to the Divisional round while missing 3 of our 5 best players and y'all are trying to tell me our window is actually another 2-3 years away so that's why it was perfectly fine to just sit on our hands?

My dude ENTIRE TEAMS get built within 2-3 years you can't be serious with this level of cope 😂

That, and in 2-3 years, will Kittle be on the team? Will Bosa be on the team? Will CMC be on the team? Will Juice be on the team? Will Trent be on the team? Will Dre be on the team? Will even Warner be on the team? And if any of them are, they won't be better. Go time is now with this core.

Great question but you still shouldn't throw your future away if you're not VERY confident in your roster. I like our roster but even before this trade looking at Rams and Seattle it's hard to say we're better. Those are the types of moves you make when you think you're one impact player away.

We are not. Still too many questions with guys coming back from injury and unproven players at key spots. Would've loved to make the move for Garrett but we don't have the bodies to give up and not sure Browns would've taken enough in draft pick only compensation from us.

They were one win away from having home field throughout this year. If go time is not now, then it won't ever be. The perfect scenario doesn't exist, and both Lynch and Kyle aren't getting forever. So if this regime ever is going to win one, then they have to take the risk of not competing for a year, (b/c that's all it's ever costed the rams with their strategy).

Smoke and mirrors and great coaching. I think our front office is more realistic than some fans and the funny thing is the same guys who were bringing up our record being smoke and mirrors cuz of the easy schedule are the same ones acting like the 49ers should've thrown everything at the Browns to get Garrett.

Even with all of our nice additions this offseason we were clearly the #3 team in the division and until we see Bosa, Mykel and Kittle back on the field healthy and playing up to their abilities it's hard for the team to feel like they're right up there. I know we CAN be right up there with them but right now there are too many unknowns imo.

And we're going to be better in 2-3 years, huh? With how they draft, the chances are poor at best. What's way more likely to happen, is that the niners continue with the half-ass competing approach, never get past the divisional, and then eventually both Kyle and John leave either by choice or are eventually let go. Cool, I'm sure the next group of guys will love all that salary cap space to work with in the 2030's. Hopefully, most of us are still around to see the Quest for Six continue.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm surprised they gave up a young stud like Jared Verse for an aging DE who was showing signs of decline at the end of last season.

The season in which he broke the sack record?

Les Snead is showing up John Lynch as a GM. I mean, we have all kinds of cap excuses as to why we can't make big signings, yet the Rams continue to make big signings year after year. People keep saying that they will have to "pay the piper". Well Les Snead must be bribing the piper to not collect his depth.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Les Snead is showing up John Lynch as a GM. I mean, we have all kinds of cap excuses as to why we can't make big signings, yet the Rams continue to make big signings year after year. People keep saying that they will have to "pay the piper". Well Les Snead must be bribing the piper to not collect his depth.

Yup, and their big price was one 5-12 season. Oh, the horror! It's not like we've avoided terrible seasons by playing money ball.

Originally posted by blunt_probe:
And we're going to be better in 2-3 years, huh? With how they draft, the chances are poor at best. What's way more likely to happen, is that the niners continue with the half-ass competing approach, never get past the divisional, and then eventually both Kyle and John leave either by choice or are eventually let go. Cool, I'm sure the next group of guys will love all that salary cap space to work with in the 2030's. Hopefully, most of us are still around to see the Quest for Six continue.

Maybe...but this is still a team/front office that drafted the most All Pros in the NFL since 2017 along with the Ravens(not sure if they have it all to themselves now)

It's not like they haven't hit in the draft at all, we just went through a bunch of terrible drafts, mostly due to the Lance trade we all know about being a huge whiff.

Go back and look at Jon Schneider's drafts from like 2013 to 2021. Rams have a ton of misses as well. They just had some homerun picks during their mini rebuild and reaping the rewards of it behind Matt Stafford - including getting a player like Verse who they were able to flip for Garrett now.

Right now our biggest issue is ability to stay healthy. If we can do that I think we have potential to turn things around in regards to our drafting. Pearsall and Puni are good players if they're healthy. Green is a bit of a question mark now but he's got talent. We'll see what if anything Morris can do with him(if he's not traded)

We have some promising young players but they need to stay healthy and develop. We'll see if the drafting is back on track this year. That will be our key to success, not making huge trades when the team isn't proven.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm surprised they gave up a young stud like Jared Verse for an aging DE who was showing signs of decline at the end of last season.

The season in which he broke the sack record?

13 of those sacks came in just a 4 week period and lot were in garbage time in games the Browns were being blown out in. He's a great player, but he's at an age now where all men begin a severe physical and mental decline.

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Les Snead is showing up John Lynch as a GM. I mean, we have all kinds of cap excuses as to why we can't make big signings, yet the Rams continue to make big signings year after year. People keep saying that they will have to "pay the piper". Well Les Snead must be bribing the piper to not collect his depth.

Yup, and their big price was one 5-12 season. Oh, the horror! It's not like we've avoided terrible seasons by playing money ball.

That's what having Matt Stafford grants you. We havent' seen Sean McVay have any success without a #1 overall pick playing QB for him. Obviously great if you have that. We'll see how long Matt can play at a high level and whether Simpson can play anywhere close to that.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The cope is crazy. Myles Garrett by himself had more sacks than the 49ers as a team.

Verse is a damn good player, but Myles Garrett is the most talented pass rusher the NFL has ever seen. That's a no brainer trade, and they still got to keep Byron Young(who is the better pass rusher of the two) AND Kobie Turner

People are coping I agree but claiming Young is better than Verse is a wild take lol. I swear way too many people just look at box scores instead of watching the games lmao

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm surprised they gave up a young stud like Jared Verse for an aging DE who was showing signs of decline at the end of last season.

The season in which he broke the sack record?

13 of those sacks came in just a 4 week period and lot were in garbage time in games the Browns were being blown out in. He's a great player, but he's at an age now where all men begin a severe physical and mental decline.

That's typically not a great time to get sacks when the other team has the big lead lol. You're making him sound even better saying something like that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm surprised they gave up a young stud like Jared Verse for an aging DE who was showing signs of decline at the end of last season.

The season in which he broke the sack record?

13 of those sacks came in just a 4 week period and lot were in garbage time in games the Browns were being blown out in. He's a great player, but he's at an age now where all men begin a severe physical and mental decline.

That's typically not a great time to get sacks when the other team has the big lead lol. You're making him sound even better saying something like that.

I mean, he also had a 4 game stretch where he got only half a sack and some other subpar stretches. Not that he isn't a great player, but the 23 sacks was a little fluky. He's more consistently a 14 sack guy, which is still top tier, but not at the level people imagine. He's also an old man now.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm surprised they gave up a young stud like Jared Verse for an aging DE who was showing signs of decline at the end of last season.

The season in which he broke the sack record?

13 of those sacks came in just a 4 week period and lot were in garbage time in games the Browns were being blown out in. He's a great player, but he's at an age now where all men begin a severe physical and mental decline.

That's typically not a great time to get sacks when the other team has the big lead lol. You're making him sound even better saying something like that.

exactly. Dude is a monster.

The draft was critical this year. Since we don't make splash trades or attack FA like the Rams and Hawks, we needed a HR in order to supplement and replenish our aging stars. And I don't believe we did that.

I think it's time to bring in a more experienced GM that can take over player acquisition and team building aspect, and let Kyle just focus on player development and game planning.

We are most likely finishing 3rd in our division again, traveling all of the playoffs (if we're lucky enough to make it) and another year wasted
Year for our aging stars.

If/when that happens it's time to reset this team. keep Kyle and fire Lynch. Trade our few star players except for Warner and Kittle and do a real rebuild. We can't keep staying status quo. either shoot for the stars like the Rams or blowing this b***h up.