John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Chance:
I agree. Seattle ran a 6 db shell and dared us to run.

That said, I don't know that we really could improve upon the oline to significantly counter their hogs. I do think that Evans and Stribling are types that can challenge their secondary with their size and in Striblings case, speed. Black with his burst seems like he could be a more effective runner than CMC on the wrong side of 30. Having a healthy Kittle and Pearsall will help too. So I don't see the skill positions as something that won't help.

But more than anything having a defense with hogs of our own, will make these games much closer. I mean, Fred, Dre, and Bosa, and now Osa, those are some hogs of equal caliber to theirs, and they were not playing (or not on the team last year).

Also, I know that LG is a huge question mark, but I'm a bit optimistic that someone in the pool of our two FAs, two rookies, and Colby, will emerge, at the very least a significant improvement over Burford who was absolute ass last year. I'm more concerned about Brendel who is and remains ass to my eye test. Although, I did like hearing that Carver Willis is looked at as an option there (I just don't think Kyle will trust a rookie to unseat Brendel even if the rookie is a more talented blocker). But yeah, hard to imagine we're going to be that offense that throws down on SEA as long as their dline is as dominant as they are, but if we can make games a defensive slugfest, we have the weapons on offense to do more damage than we did late last year.

Good post.

It seems like the 49ers' accepted the fact that there's nothing they can do in one offseason to stop Seattle's DL and opted to address other issues on their team while hoping that Seattle's DL, which is admittedly on the older side outside of a few guys, isn't as good or healthy next season.

Also, Seattle is lucky they had essentially no injuries last year. So we never know how the season will unfold. I like our moves and at the end of the day, Seattles weakness is their offense. If our defense is healthy - we can harass them and make things harder.

last year we got destroyed Iate in the season cause our defense was worthless and put insane pressure on our broken down offense.

im not taking anything from Seattle, they were damn good and I said that even when we beat them in week 1. I just like our chances if we are a healthy squad

Originally posted by Giedi:

Kyle mentioned in the Rich Isen show that they view the 2027 draft as very important and tried to get more draft picks in 2027. Just looking at the draft nerd info from the internet, 2027 is also looking like a deep draft for Offenses Tackles.

They just know they're going to lose free agents after this season at a number of spots. Most likely IOL and DB.

From what I can see:

OL Brendel, Toth, Robert Jones, Zakelj

CB Hobbs, Luter, Jack Jones

S Jayir Brown, Neal

LB Greenlaw

DL Sam O, White, Sample (if he made the team)

QB Jones

WR Kirk

I think we're gonna have to go heavy on all OL positions in 2027, get a true game changer at safety, another top pass rusher, and I'd say adding a true TE of the future. Likely need competition for LB2, depending on how they feel about Martin and Dugger at that point.

These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Kyle mentioned in the Rich Isen show that they view the 2027 draft as very important and tried to get more draft picks in 2027. Just looking at the draft nerd info from the internet, 2027 is also looking like a deep draft for Offenses Tackles.

They just know they're going to lose free agents after this season at a number of spots. Most likely IOL and DB.

From what I can see:

OL Brendel, Toth, Robert Jones, Zakelj

CB Hobbs, Luter, Jack Jones

S Jayir Brown, Neal

LB Greenlaw

DL Sam O, White, Sample (if he made the team)

QB Jones

WR Kirk

I think we're gonna have to go heavy on all OL positions in 2027, get a true game changer at safety, another top pass rusher, and I'd say adding a true TE of the future. Likely need competition for LB2, depending on how they feel about Martin and Dugger at that point.

Of the ones you mentioned, I wish we could keep Mac Jones as a backup, but those non-cap days are long gone. They got some cap space if any of the above players blossoms into a gem, but unlikely. Agree on going heavy on the OLine, but who knows if the 2026 draft changes the metrics for the 2027 draft. The thing about the cap is that anytime you develop any sort of depth, the next year it's gone.

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Well, they did draft McGlinchy, when they needed a Tackle. He took a good amount of draft capital. But yeah, agree, I can see more day three OLine picks next year too. Who knows if Carver Willis or Enrique Cruz might make the jump to light speed. At least I'm praying for it.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I disagree 100%

By far the biggest reason Seattle had their way with our Oline in the playoffs was because we had absolutely no-one they respected at the skill positions.

Kendrick Bourne, DeMarcus Robinson, Skyy Moore and Jake Tonges scare no-one.

Compare that to Mike Evans, Ricky Pearsall, De'Zhaun Stribling and George Kittle when we play them first and let's see what happens to that front 7.

Go ahead, stack the box and play a 2 deep. Let's see what will happen.

First, Seattle didn't stack the box. They destroyed the 49ers out of a light box in nickel/dime. The 49ers couldn't run the ball out of 21 personnel against a light box/nickel defense…Do you guys realize how fucked this is? This is the foundation of the offense in a run-heavy personnel, and it's being shutdown by a passing defense .

This is how Seattle defends 21 personnel on first down:



Second, I'm not sure what skill positions have to do with being unable to move Jarran Reed and Byron Murphy in the run game, or being unable to 1-on-1 block Demarcus Lawrence and Leonard Williams.

The game was out of hand early which allowed Seattle to focus on stopping the pass and rushing the passer. Let's not pretend that Jarran Reed and Byron Murphy are some Pro Bowlers. We faced much better lines and faired just fine during the season.

As for their scheme. That is a not a nickle D. They have 3 LBers on the field and one is Nick Emmanwori. But let's not pretend like they played nickle D against us all the time with a 5'9 corner

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
The game was out of hand early which allowed Seattle to focus on stopping the pass and rushing the passer.

The game in SF was one score game going into the 4th quarter. How is that out of hand? CMC had 8 carries for 23 yards, and it wasn't because the game was out of hand early.

As for their scheme. That is a not a nickle D. They have 3 LBers on the field and one is Nick Emmanwori. But let's not pretend like they played nickle D against us all the time with a 5'9 corner

You can call it whatever you want, but that's their nickel defense. They have a base defense, and that's not it.

Also, you completely ignored the stacked box* take, which is fine because you were wrong.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

One big problem is that there's just not enough quality OL in each years draft, that's why there's a lack of even good depth in the NFL, chances are we draft heavy OL wise and we end up with 1 or more busting out cause again not enough quality IMO.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

The game was out of hand early which allowed Seattle to focus on stopping the pass and rushing the passer.

The game in SF was one score game going into the 4th quarter. How is that out of hand? CMC had 8 carries for 23 yards, and it wasn't because the game was out of hand early.

As for their scheme. That is a not a nickle D. They have 3 LBers on the field and one is Nick Emmanwori. But let's not pretend like they played nickle D against us all the time with a 5'9 corner

You can call it whatever you want, but that's their nickel defense. They have a base defense, and that's not it.

Also, you completely ignored the stacked box* take, which is fine because you were wrong.

I'm not trying to pile on.. but that is definitely the nickel D -- there's a lot of talk about how they're able to play it so uniquely with a special player like E-man, and 2) Byron Murphy is a beast. He SHOULD have been in the Pro Bowl - in fact it was widely talked about that it was absurd he got snubbed. Dude had 7 sacks and 12 hits as a NOSE TACKLE. That dude was one of my favorite 1st round talents to scout because he was so insanely hard to move. Same with Leonard Williams.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm not trying to pile on.. but that is definitely the nickel D -- there's a lot of talk about how they're able to play it so uniquely with a special player like E-man, and 2) Byron Murphy is a beast. He SHOULD have been in the Pro Bowl - in fact it was widely talked about that it was absurd he got snubbed. Dude had 7 sacks and 12 hits as a NOSE TACKLE. That dude was one of my favorite 1st round talents to scout because he was so insanely hard to move. Same with Leonard Williams.

Thank you, OTC. Well said. Seattle presents a unique problem and pretending it isn't real isn't going to make it go away. It's going to be interesting to see how Shanahan goes about cracking the code and finding a way to attack that defense. I have no doubt he'll cook something up that will work in concept. I just hope he has acquired the necessary horses this offseason to execute.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm not trying to pile on.. but that is definitely the nickel D -- there's a lot of talk about how they're able to play it so uniquely with a special player like E-man, and 2) Byron Murphy is a beast. He SHOULD have been in the Pro Bowl - in fact it was widely talked about that it was absurd he got snubbed. Dude had 7 sacks and 12 hits as a NOSE TACKLE. That dude was one of my favorite 1st round talents to scout because he was so insanely hard to move. Same with Leonard Williams.

Thank you, OTC. Well said. Seattle presents a unique problem and pretending it isn't real isn't going to make it go away. It's going to be interesting to see how Shanahan goes about cracking the code and finding a way to attack that defense. I have no doubt he'll cook something up that will work in concept. I just hope he has acquired the necessary horses this offseason to execute.

He did come up with a good drive to get to the 1 in wk 18

ball doesn't get tipped at the line and CMC catches cleanly, Seattle doesn't win the ship.

everyone healthy and some added DL depth will spoil Seattles run it back season

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

One big problem is that there's just not enough quality OL in each years draft, that's why there's a lack of even good depth in the NFL, chances are we draft heavy OL wise and we end up with 1 or more busting out cause again not enough quality IMO.

Agree 💯 %. Thank god we got a good OLine coach that can manufacture starters out of day three and UDFA marginal talent.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
>>Kyle, in my opinion, will always have a great offense

While defense was also a problem last year, we only managed 6 points against Seattle in the playoff game.....I'd hardly call that a great offence.

I could have sworn that Kyle's offense last year beat that seattle defense when it was *healthy.*

super fun interview with Justin smith, Pat Willis, and Donte whitner. Man it made me love those harbaugh teams more than I already did.

Just smiths son is 6'7 and at the same high school the Bosa's went to.