John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

One big problem is that there's just not enough quality OL in each years draft, that's why there's a lack of even good depth in the NFL, chances are we draft heavy OL wise and we end up with 1 or more busting out cause again not enough quality IMO.

Agree 💯 %. Thank god we got a good OLine coach that can manufacture starters out of day three and UDFA marginal talent.

The average number of O linemen selected each year in rounds 1-3 is 20 out of about 100 picks. That isn't very many when you consider that we're talking about 5 starters for each team. Most teams carry bout 10 O linemen. They're 45% of the offensive players. I suspect the draft numbers reflect the longevity of O linemen.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

One big problem is that there's just not enough quality OL in each years draft, that's why there's a lack of even good depth in the NFL, chances are we draft heavy OL wise and we end up with 1 or more busting out cause again not enough quality IMO.

Agree 💯 %. Thank god we got a good OLine coach that can manufacture starters out of day three and UDFA marginal talent.

The average number of O linemen selected each year in rounds 1-3 is 20 out of about 100 picks. That isn't very many when you consider that we're talking about 5 starters for each team. Most teams carry bout 10 O linemen. They're 45% of the offensive players. I suspect the draft numbers reflect the longevity of O linemen.

Talented offensive lineman can play for a long time. But injuries do take their toll. (Weston Richburg) Everyone wants to draft the next Trent Williams, but thats a generational hall of fame talent. Guy like that won't be drafted where the 49ers usually draft (average in the twenties) if you look at the most recent 7 years.

If you took a measurement of height weight and strength etc... you'll find more Jake Brendel's and Conner Colby's than Trent Williams in the human population. Kyle's offense is geared to the more common body types than the more rare Trent Williams, Gene Upshaw, and Art Shell's, which i think is brilliant.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
These dudes will never go heavy o line. There track record speaks for itself. Don't fool yourselves

Unfortunately, this is true.

One big problem is that there's just not enough quality OL in each years draft, that's why there's a lack of even good depth in the NFL, chances are we draft heavy OL wise and we end up with 1 or more busting out cause again not enough quality IMO.

Agree 💯 %. Thank god we got a good OLine coach that can manufacture starters out of day three and UDFA marginal talent.

The average number of O linemen selected each year in rounds 1-3 is 20 out of about 100 picks. That isn't very many when you consider that we're talking about 5 starters for each team. Most teams carry bout 10 O linemen. They're 45% of the offensive players. I suspect the draft numbers reflect the longevity of O linemen.

Talented offensive lineman can play for a long time. But injuries do take their toll. (Weston Richburg) Everyone wants to draft the next Trent Williams, but thats a generational hall of fame talent. Guy like that won't be drafted where the 49ers usually draft (average in the twenties) if you look at the most recent 7 years.

If you took a measurement of height weight and strength etc... you'll find more Jake Brendel's and Conner Colby's than Trent Williams in the human population. Kyle's offense is geared to the more common body types than the more rare Trent Williams, Gene Upshaw, and Art Shell's, which i think is brilliant.

The zone blocking scheme requires more agility which usually translates to someone a little lighter. This is similar to what Walsh preferred. I heard a comment from a former GM yesterday that's really on point.

The rankings on draft boards by the so called experts don't reflect what any individual team is looking for. Some teams want speed at WR while others prefer toughness and good hands. Some want big mauling linemen and others prefer agility. 32 teams with different needs and schemes. Those draft boards that the experts put out there are meaningless to the teams if the players aren't what they're looking for. This year the interior line choices were limited judging from the number picked in the first 3 rounds. Finding one that fits your type with so few choices isn't easy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The zone blocking scheme requires more agility which usually translates to someone a little lighter. This is similar to what Walsh preferred. I heard a comment from a former GM yesterday that's really on point.

The rankings on draft boards by the so called experts don't reflect what any individual team is looking for. Some teams want speed at WR while others prefer toughness and good hands. Some want big mauling linemen and others prefer agility. 32 teams with different needs and schemes. Those draft boards that the experts put out there are meaningless to the teams if the players aren't what they're looking for. This year the interior line choices were limited judging from the number picked in the first 3 rounds. Finding one that fits your type with so few choices isn't easy.

Yeah, it's downright impossible - in a sense, but I like the RAS comparison between Trent Williams and Enrique Cruz. Athletically they are almost twins. Of course the mental makeup is where the difference lies between a Jerry Rice/Trent Williams and an average WR/OT. But I like the 49ers taking a shot at a very athletic but very very raw Trent Williams 2.0. If it pans out, you've gained a round 1, pick 1 level player. He's a long shot but I'm pulling for Enrique.
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RAS Comparison: Trent Williams vs. Enrique Cruz Jr.
Enrique Cruz Jr. posted a near-perfect 9.87 or 9.99 RAS (depending on the source/projected metrics) in the 2026 class. Trent Williams posted a 9.64 RAS when he was drafted in 2010.
Enrique Cruz Jr. (2026): ~9.99 RAS (OT)
Trent Williams (2010): 9.64 RAS (OT) [1, 2]
Combined Testing Data Comparison Cruz showed higher vertical and broad jumps, while Williams had a faster 40-yard dash and higher bench press reps in their respective testing.
Metric ---- Trent Williams (2010) --- Enrique Cruz Jr. (2026)
RAS -- 9.64 -- 9.99
Height -- 6'4" 5/8 -- 6'5" 1/2
Weight -- 315 lbs -- 313 lbs
40-Yard Dash -- 4.81s -- 4.94s
10-Yard Split -- 1.70s -- 1.74s
Vertical Jump -- 34.5" -- 35.0"
Broad Jump -- 9'5" -- 9'8"
Arm Length -- 34.25" -- 33.75"

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Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The zone blocking scheme requires more agility which usually translates to someone a little lighter. This is similar to what Walsh preferred. I heard a comment from a former GM yesterday that's really on point.

The rankings on draft boards by the so called experts don't reflect what any individual team is looking for. Some teams want speed at WR while others prefer toughness and good hands. Some want big mauling linemen and others prefer agility. 32 teams with different needs and schemes. Those draft boards that the experts put out there are meaningless to the teams if the players aren't what they're looking for. This year the interior line choices were limited judging from the number picked in the first 3 rounds. Finding one that fits your type with so few choices isn't easy.

Yeah, it's downright impossible - in a sense, but I like the RAS comparison between Trent Williams and Enrique Cruz. Athletically they are almost twins. Of course the mental makeup is where the difference lies between a Jerry Rice/Trent Williams and an average WR/OT. But I like the 49ers taking a shot at a very athletic but very very raw Trent Williams 2.0. If it pans out, you've gained a round 1, pick 1 level player. He's a long shot but I'm pulling for Enrique.
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RAS Comparison: Trent Williams vs. Enrique Cruz Jr.
Enrique Cruz Jr. posted a near-perfect 9.87 or 9.99 RAS (depending on the source/projected metrics) in the 2026 class. Trent Williams posted a 9.64 RAS when he was drafted in 2010.
Enrique Cruz Jr. (2026): ~9.99 RAS (OT)
Trent Williams (2010): 9.64 RAS (OT) [1, 2]
Combined Testing Data Comparison Cruz showed higher vertical and broad jumps, while Williams had a faster 40-yard dash and higher bench press reps in their respective testing.
Metric ---- Trent Williams (2010) --- Enrique Cruz Jr. (2026)
RAS -- 9.64 -- 9.99
Height -- 6'4" 5/8 -- 6'5" 1/2
Weight -- 315 lbs -- 313 lbs
40-Yard Dash -- 4.81s -- 4.94s
10-Yard Split -- 1.70s -- 1.74s
Vertical Jump -- 34.5" -- 35.0"
Broad Jump -- 9'5" -- 9'8"
Arm Length -- 34.25" -- 33.75"

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You have to hope players like him can become a solid starter. As long as the Niners continue to draft late in rounds they need to reach a little to try and find these guys. It's not like drafting in the top 10 every year and having the chance to pick the best players.

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

DeCosta is really good at letting the board fall to him and i think he's one of the better drafting GMs out there. He said he was really hopping a center (he mentioned Logan Jones & Jake Slaughter) would fall to pick 80 and was fairly confident one of them would. But neither made it. So that got me thinking about Connor Lew or Sam Hecht which both were rated very similar on the consensus board to Logan and Slaughter. He passed on both of them 3 times!!!

So that kind of tells you how teams boards are way different then the consensus board. Lew was the #1 rated center on the consensus board and he went 2 rounds later than both Logan Jones and Jake Slaughter.

__PRESENT

Originally posted by miked1978:
DeCosta is really good at letting the board fall to him and i think he's one of the better drafting GMs out there. He said he was really hopping a center (he mentioned Logan Jones & Jake Slaughter) would fall to pick 80 and was fairly confident one of them would. But neither made it. So that got me thinking about Connor Lew or Sam Hecht which both were rated very similar on the consensus board to Logan and Slaughter. He passed on both of them 3 times!!!

So that kind of tells you how teams boards are way different then the consensus board. Lew was the #1 rated center on the consensus board and he went 2 rounds later than both Logan Jones and Jake Slaughter.

__PRESENT

TBF that is likely because of his knee injury.

You can find Great pro bowl Guards and Centers in the second, third and forth rounds. Dominick Puni was third round and he is better prospect and current player then Connor Colby 7th round . If the use a couple more second and third round pick on the OL the depth would be fine.

Originally posted by miked1978:
DeCosta is really good at letting the board fall to him and i think he's one of the better drafting GMs out there. He said he was really hopping a center (he mentioned Logan Jones & Jake Slaughter) would fall to pick 80 and was fairly confident one of them would. But neither made it. So that got me thinking about Connor Lew or Sam Hecht which both were rated very similar on the consensus board to Logan and Slaughter. He passed on both of them 3 times!!!

So that kind of tells you how teams boards are way different then the consensus board. Lew was the #1 rated center on the consensus board and he went 2 rounds later than both Logan Jones and Jake Slaughter.

__PRESENT

Wasnt there an injury story there for Lew?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You have to hope players like him can become a solid starter. As long as the Niners continue to draft late in rounds they need to reach a little to try and find these guys. It's not like drafting in the top 10 every year and having the chance to pick the best players.

Agree 💯 %. Even in round one, the stats are a 50% hit rate in finding a decent *starter* -- in Round One! So if you can find a decent starter (a Brunskill, a Brendel) that's the equivalent in my book of a day one pick.

If Enrique can get to a Colton Mckivitz level play, thats a high day one pick. I mean Colton is better than McGlinchy in my book and McGlinchy was a 9th pick in the first round.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

Other than LG & FS, what gaping holes in the lineup are there? I don't see any others.