John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

Yes!, I think you'd have to move up to top 7. Offer #11 and Deebo so we don't lose any additional picks

Deebo probably doesn't hold that much value. I'd be surprised if he's worth more than a day 3 pick.

I'd say 5th round pick should do it.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

Yes!, I think you'd have to move up to top 7. Offer #11 and Deebo so we don't lose any additional picks

Deebo probably doesn't hold that much value. I'd be surprised if he's worth more than a day 3 pick.

According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Um David is the owner of the Webzone. Lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Um David is the owner of the Webzone. Lol

lol oops. I'm embarrassed. It was nice knowing you guys.

As long as we get either DT Graham or OT Campbell I'd be happy

We gotta beef up the DLine, that's our ticket to going back to the SB

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I'll take Ben Johnson, and to me, 'great OC, bad HC" is Kyle's record. Again, it's my opinion, but knowing those guys are smart football guys, and Knowing they are very good offensive guys, I'd try the unproven HC guy. It's not proven. I've asked and have yet to hear from anybody what HC functions Kyle is really good at beyond play design, and whatever level that is at, that Is proven. It's not good enough for me. It's also just my opinion, but I think Kyle's influence on personnel is also not helpful.

He got to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl with Jimmy G and damn near won it with Jimmy G. I don't see any other coach doing that

Yeah I get people poking holes in Kyle but to call him a bad HC is laughable imo.

There's a lot of Sirianni > Kyle today for obvious reasons. Just for the heck of it let's compare the # of players in their last SB appearance who were on the roster already when each guy took over

Sirianni: 6 starters
Hurts
Goedert
Mailata
Lane Johnson
Josh Sweat
Darius Slay

Shanahan: 1 starter
Arik Armstead

Shanahan for all his faults took over a real turn of a roster and got it to the SB in year 3 and got back to it 4 years later. You can claim he'll never win a SB and until he does I certainly can't say you're wrong. But saying he's a bad HC is factu B ally yincorrect.

I would never laugh at your opinion. I respect it, and I recognize it represents numerous people. I do recognize it is natural that any team that has had any significant success will have supporters of the Head Coach. But I do notice you nor Anybody else on this board have picked up my challenge. What HC functions are Kyle good at beyond play design? I could go on about that to the length of a book, but nobody wants that, especially me.

Here's a thought for your perusal. Perhaps Kyle Is a good coach for a poor team, but not a team competing for a championship. One that can thrive in an environment where defenses are scheming against your specific plays.

As I recently pointed out in another post, Kyle protected Jimmy G by only allowing him to throw 8 passes in a playoff game with GB. OK, perhaps smart in the moment. Settling for a QB that you can't trust or ask to be aggressive is not the way to pursue a Lombardi. But that's what he does. He won't be aggressive. In many ways.

We had Adams and Dobbs backing up Brock this year. Dobbs can't get out of here fast enough now, as he Knows he won the competition for the backup roll, and so do we, but he didn't get it. Several players have left saying that the best players do not play on this team, but Kyle's favorites. What does that get you? Old, overpaid, injured players, with none converted to draft picks to pick up the ball. Yep. That will win you a high percentage of games, but no titles. You think he does that with assistant coaches too?

Kyle does not let quarterbacks change plays at the line. Yeah, if your quarterback is Stupid, good call Kyle. Brock is Not Stupid. Oh yeah, every play has a built in outlet in case of blitz. OK, defensive coordinators in this league can't analyze your plays and cover that guy? Shoot. That's not working. Let's keep doing it. Don't want to lose control, Kyle. I've designed this offense. It's going to work.

They're blitzing the hell out of me. Old school says screens and draws. But, I selected this play sequence last Monday. We'll set 'em up with this. Sure, it didn't work that play, by next we'll spring This on them. Touchdown! Oh Wait, I had that blitz picked up. That SOB missed his block. Not My fault. My play call had that covered. I'll explain that to them in the post game presser. Yeah Kyle, blaming the players and not yourself is always going to get the team behind you, blaming You. Do you Know they don't respect you? No, of course not.

Get a lead, and stop taking chances. No need now. Let's just protect this lead. Oh Wait, I didn't expect That to happen. Now that defense better stop them. Uh oh. Should have Put Them Away, Kyle. Good coaches take their chances on offense, when you choose the play. Not on defense, when you don't. What, are you coaching like a defensive guy like Singletary, Kyle?

You know you can't trust youngsters. Keep those vets in the game, because we can't risk youngsters making mistakes. We need to keep these vets on the team, and pay them new contracts to keep them, because we're trying to win a championship. These youngsters will get their chance later. Don't ever trade your productive vets until their value is used up. Who's that Bill Walsh guy that traded Everybody, including Superstars, for draft picks when they could Still Play, to keep it rolling. Noooo, fans don't like that, and you can't trust youngsters. OK, so nobody ever did play as well after traded, but who knew that before hand.

Yeah, Kyle Might get lucky and win a SB, but perhaps he should have taken the first chance to win one last time when he won the toss, instead of giving it to Reid and Mahomes with 4 downs to march down the field. They even said if SF had scored a TD, they'd have gone for two, where they bat about 90 percent. Sorry. I just can't find the optimism. I need an aggressive winner.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat pic.twitter.com/5VbIZIcw8r

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) February 3, 2025

Do people not realize he can't be traded till after June 1st. I mean unless the Browns are willing to eat his $35 mil cap hit.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Um David is the owner of the Webzone. Lol

lol oops. I'm embarrassed. It was nice knowing you guys.

Lmfao you're good bro maybe its a different David Bonilla.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
According to PFF David Bonilla he holds a 2nd round trade value

Well then David Bonilla is a f**king idiot

edit: half teasing

Um David is the owner of the Webzone. Lol

lol oops. I'm embarrassed. It was nice knowing you guys.

Lmfao you're good bro maybe its a different David Bonilla.

the actual owner is FootballExpert

TK thinks 11 and a future comp 3 (that could be a 2) that 11th overall pick is super valuable compared to what other teams could offer.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I'll take Ben Johnson, and to me, 'great OC, bad HC" is Kyle's record. Again, it's my opinion, but knowing those guys are smart football guys, and Knowing they are very good offensive guys, I'd try the unproven HC guy. It's not proven. I've asked and have yet to hear from anybody what HC functions Kyle is really good at beyond play design, and whatever level that is at, that Is proven. It's not good enough for me. It's also just my opinion, but I think Kyle's influence on personnel is also not helpful.

He got to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl with Jimmy G and damn near won it with Jimmy G. I don't see any other coach doing that

Yeah I get people poking holes in Kyle but to call him a bad HC is laughable imo.

There's a lot of Sirianni > Kyle today for obvious reasons. Just for the heck of it let's compare the # of players in their last SB appearance who were on the roster already when each guy took over

Sirianni: 6 starters
Hurts
Goedert
Mailata
Lane Johnson
Josh Sweat
Darius Slay

Shanahan: 1 starter
Arik Armstead

Shanahan for all his faults took over a real turn of a roster and got it to the SB in year 3 and got back to it 4 years later. You can claim he'll never win a SB and until he does I certainly can't say you're wrong. But saying he's a bad HC is factu B ally yincorrect.

I would never laugh at your opinion. I respect it, and I recognize it represents numerous people. I do recognize it is natural that any team that has had any significant success will have supporters of the Head Coach. But I do notice you nor Anybody else on this board have picked up my challenge. What HC functions are Kyle good at beyond play design? I could go on about that to the length of a book, but nobody wants that, especially me.

Here's a thought for your perusal. Perhaps Kyle Is a good coach for a poor team, but not a team competing for a championship. One that can thrive in an environment where defenses are scheming against your specific plays.

As I recently pointed out in another post, Kyle protected Jimmy G by only allowing him to throw 8 passes in a playoff game with GB. OK, perhaps smart in the moment. Settling for a QB that you can't trust or ask to be aggressive is not the way to pursue a Lombardi. But that's what he does. He won't be aggressive. In many ways.

We had Adams and Dobbs backing up Brock this year. Dobbs can't get out of here fast enough now, as he Knows he won the competition for the backup roll, and so do we, but he didn't get it. Several players have left saying that the best players do not play on this team, but Kyle's favorites. What does that get you? Old, overpaid, injured players, with none converted to draft picks to pick up the ball. Yep. That will win you a high percentage of games, but no titles. You think he does that with assistant coaches too?

Kyle does not let quarterbacks change plays at the line. Yeah, if your quarterback is Stupid, good call Kyle. Brock is Not Stupid. Oh yeah, every play has a built in outlet in case of blitz. OK, defensive coordinators in this league can't analyze your plays and cover that guy? Shoot. That's not working. Let's keep doing it. Don't want to lose control, Kyle. I've designed this offense. It's going to work.

They're blitzing the hell out of me. Old school says screens and draws. But, I selected this play sequence last Monday. We'll set 'em up with this. Sure, it didn't work that play, by next we'll spring This on them. Touchdown! Oh Wait, I had that blitz picked up. That SOB missed his block. Not My fault. My play call had that covered. I'll explain that to them in the post game presser. Yeah Kyle, blaming the players and not yourself is always going to get the team behind you, blaming You. Do you Know they don't respect you? No, of course not.

Get a lead, and stop taking chances. No need now. Let's just protect this lead. Oh Wait, I didn't expect That to happen. Now that defense better stop them. Uh oh. Should have Put Them Away, Kyle. Good coaches take their chances on offense, when you choose the play. Not on defense, when you don't. What, are you coaching like a defensive guy like Singletary, Kyle?

You know you can't trust youngsters. Keep those vets in the game, because we can't risk youngsters making mistakes. We need to keep these vets on the team, and pay them new contracts to keep them, because we're trying to win a championship. These youngsters will get their chance later. Don't ever trade your productive vets until their value is used up. Who's that Bill Walsh guy that traded Everybody, including Superstars, for draft picks when they could Still Play, to keep it rolling. Noooo, fans don't like that, and you can't trust youngsters. OK, so nobody ever did play as well after traded, but who knew that before hand.

Yeah, Kyle Might get lucky and win a SB, but perhaps he should have taken the first chance to win one last time when he won the toss, instead of giving it to Reid and Mahomes with 4 downs to march down the field. They even said if SF had scored a TD, they'd have gone for two, where they bat about 90 percent. Sorry. I just can't find the optimism. I need an aggressive winner.

Solid well thought out post.

To answer the bold question above here are what I believe makes Kyle a good HC

I believe his attention to detail is one of the top in the league. People will find ways to pretend otherwise but everything that comes out from players and coaches screams he's absolutely one of the top guys at that stuff.

His ability to gameplan on offense is clearly top tier. He has his Achilles heel but so does every great HC. Styles make fights and the same applies for football. It's up to Kyle to update things so he can protect his scheme vs those Achilles heels.

Kyle clearly knows how to bring in proper culture to a team. I think some of us forget how much of a joke this team was after the Tomsula/Chip Kelly fiasco and the mass talent exodus after 2014. A lot of teams are able to swing trades for aging talented players or problem guys. We lost SO much talent that offseason without any real compensation it's crazy. Kyle came in to a roster devoid of talent - even the guys that were left over were considered busts or mediocre players outside of Buckner. We remember how much crap the fanbase was giving Armstead and Jimmie Ward here right?

I believe Kyle is a great coach for some young players willing to put in the work and learn from him. His attention to detail can be infuriating in some ways but when it's all put together great things happen. Brandon Aiyuk is a great example of that...we were all annoyed at the doghouse situation but the end result was an excellent WR.

I also think Kyle does a great job preparing the team. We've had some real clunkers over the years with him but those losses were typically when the team is ripped apart by injuries or before the 2019 season.

Honestly I also believe we haven't seen the best of Shanahan because he hasn't had that top tier QB and the closest we came was last year where I fully believe Kyle had the team better prepared for that game than Andy Reid. You switch DCs for that game and 49ers blow the Chiefs out.

I do share a lot of the concerns you spelled out though and I badly need Kyle to get over some of those things. I hope this past season opened up his eyes some and a bunch of those frustrating tendencies of his will fall by the wayside.

The reality of it is...he's our HC for next season. People can complain all they want but he's not going anywhere right now and as 49er fans we should ALL want him to be here for a long long time because it means he fixed a lot of those deficiencies and we likely have a couple of SB wins under him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

More from @timkawakami on 49ers +/- podcast, in the context of a Myles Garrett trade conversation:

"I'm kind of hearing that this REALLY is a go-for-broke season. There's a lot on the line. They're paying a lot to the coaching staff..."

— Rob "Stats" Guerrera (@StatsOnFire) February 10, 2025

TK thinks 11 and a future comp 3 (that could be a 2) that 11th overall pick is super valuable compared to what other teams could offer.

It pretty much comes down to if both teams can make it work without post-June 1st implications.

That #11 pick is a premium asset compared to the #28/29 picks that the Lions/Commanders have. But after the draft, those picks will all be used and everyone will just have future picks with unknown slots. A 2026 Commanders 1st could be seen as just as valuable as a 2026 49ers 1st.

If the Browns can make it work in March before the draft, then yes, we have some leverage. Otherwise, I think he's a Commander or Lion (their current 1st rounders being low is the ONLY reason he might not be, IMHO. A low 20's pick just isn't that enticing for the Browns).