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Kellen Moore over Kyle hahah Ninertalk always good for a laugh

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I'll take Ben Johnson, and to me, 'great OC, bad HC" is Kyle's record. Again, it's my opinion, but knowing those guys are smart football guys, and Knowing they are very good offensive guys, I'd try the unproven HC guy. It's not proven. I've asked and have yet to hear from anybody what HC functions Kyle is really good at beyond play design, and whatever level that is at, that Is proven. It's not good enough for me. It's also just my opinion, but I think Kyle's influence on personnel is also not helpful.

He got to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl with Jimmy G and damn near won it with Jimmy G. I don't see any other coach doing that

He managed Jimmy G by allowing him to throw 8 passes in a playoff game with GB. OK, that was smart and successful, but playing that way and not getting someone he could trust to play aggressively for so many years was no way to pursue a Lombardi, and it didn't work.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Lance had plenty of chances. He had a year to learn and then was handed the team and got injured, then he couldn't even win the backup job. Tough break the year he was the starter but that's the NFL for ya.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Lance had plenty of chances. He had a year to learn and then wad handed the team and got injured, then he couldn't even win the backup job. Tough break the year he was the starter but that's the NFL for ya.

I disagree here. The only chance he had was the 1 and 1/2 game before he got injured. Then Purdy showed he could actually play and Kyle didn't want to give it back to Lance when he knew Purdy could run his system. Purdy didn't win against Jimmy and Lance before they both got injured and now hes going to be our highest paid QB in recent years.

I know the draft is a crapshoot and all, but I hope the team's recent draft class(minus the continued neglect of OL ie center) indicates a change of approach/philosophy going forward and not just a mere fluke. The prior two drafts, aside from getting Purdy, have just been abysmal compounded further by the after-effects of the Lance trade. Not to mention all the contract holdout drama and contract decisions like Deebo. And when I say all this I'm mainly looking at Kyle, since he seems to have as much control as Pete Carrol did in Seattle. Who knows how much power Lynch actually has and time will tell how much of a role Peters had in rebuilding the loaded roster in Kyle's first few years. The Eagles winning last night showed how much making smart FO and personnel decisions plays a huge role and not just a "brilliant scheme" alone.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Lance had plenty of chances. He had a year to learn and then was handed the team and got injured, then he couldn't even win the backup job. Tough break the year he was the starter but that's the NFL for ya.

If he hasn't shown anything by now it's done for him, unfortunately.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Lance had plenty of chances. He had a year to learn and then wad handed the team and got injured, then he couldn't even win the backup job. Tough break the year he was the starter but that's the NFL for ya.

I disagree here. The only chance he had was the 1 and 1/2 game before he got injured. Then Purdy showed he could actually play and Kyle didn't want to give it back to Lance when he knew Purdy could run his system. Purdy didn't win against Jimmy and Lance before they both got injured and now hes going to be our highest paid QB in recent years.

Purdy wasn't given an opportunity to beat out Lance or Jimmy but he proved it on the field once he was given that opportunity,Lance was never capable of beating out anyone in a legitimate competition.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I'll take Ben Johnson, and to me, 'great OC, bad HC" is Kyle's record. Again, it's my opinion, but knowing those guys are smart football guys, and Knowing they are very good offensive guys, I'd try the unproven HC guy. It's not proven. I've asked and have yet to hear from anybody what HC functions Kyle is really good at beyond play design, and whatever level that is at, that Is proven. It's not good enough for me. It's also just my opinion, but I think Kyle's influence on personnel is also not helpful.

He got to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl with Jimmy G and damn near won it with Jimmy G. I don't see any other coach doing that

Yeah I get people poking holes in Kyle but to call him a bad HC is laughable imo.

There's a lot of Sirianni > Kyle today for obvious reasons. Just for the heck of it let's compare the # of players in their last SB appearance who were on the roster already when each guy took over

Sirianni: 6 starters
Hurts
Goedert
Mailata
Lane Johnson
Josh Sweat
Darius Slay

Shanahan: 1 starter
Arik Armstead

Shanahan for all his faults took over a real turn of a roster and got it to the SB in year 3 and got back to it 4 years later. You can claim he'll never win a SB and until he does I certainly can't say you're wrong. But saying he's a bad HC is factually incorrect.

Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

i don't recall philly moving up to take anybody. maybe they did, i don't follow all the move ups and move downs. they just stood pat and called out some studs on the dl over and over. we all knew them getting carter was a doozy. he was a 1 overall type talent and he fell due to character issues.

Originally posted by genus49:
Just for the heck of it let's compare the # of players in their last SB appearance who were on the roster already when each guy took over

Sirianni: 6 starters
Hurts
Goedert
Mailata
Lane Johnson
Josh Sweat
Darius Slay

Shanahan: 1 starter
Arik Armstead

This is an uneven and extremely weird comparison. Kyle arrived in SF in 2017
Siriani arrived in 2021

Four years of difference is a LOT of time in the NFL. Players go from all pros to out of the league in that span.
The only way this comparison would make any sort of sense is if they arrived the same year.

Siriani isnt even a xs and os coach so I have no issue saying that Kyle is better (he is) but this is just a bad comparison that isnt logical at all, sorry.

Kyle made his first superbowl in 2019 with plenty of players from the old regime. Buckner, Ward, Staley, Tartt, Armstead

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

Yes!, I think you'd have to move up to top 7. Offer #11 and Deebo so we don't lose any additional picks

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We are I. This situation because of the all time bad Lance trade. You guys won't admit that because everybody here outside of 2 or 3 guys thought Lance was going to be good.
it was so obvious

This is true. We screwed the pooch selecting Lance and we've paid dearly for it as a result. Should have been building the OL and the DL but we picked a guy then didn't even give him a damn chance. Completely irresponsible

Lance had plenty of chances. He had a year to learn and then was handed the team and got injured, then he couldn't even win the backup job. Tough break the year he was the starter but that's the NFL for ya.

We don't know how he progressed in the classroom and film room. We do know that his completion percentage was crap and couldn't hit the side of a barn, and he couldn't read the field. His only plus was his running, but even that wasn't nfl caliber. Have you seen what he's done at Dallas? He can't even crack #2 there.

Lance was a waste because we could have stayed pat and drafted Parsons. In any event we took a flyer on Brock with the last pick and that's saved a bunch of people's jobs on this team. Can you imagine if we didn't fall on Brock at the end of that draft?

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Last night just proved we have to move up to draft Mason Graham.

Yes!, I think you'd have to move up to top 7. Offer #11 and Deebo so we don't lose any additional picks

Deebo probably doesn't hold that much value. I'd be surprised if he's worth more than a day 3 pick.